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hassanbakar123 · 07-29-2015, 02:27 AM

I am currently taking a CA Smog Check update course. Bottom line is the Instructor stated during his BAR Annual Instructor course some of the BAR representatives stated they are discussing the possibility of stopping the BAR-97 test. This would move all vehicles 1996 and newer to the BAR-OIS system and everything prior would be exempt (not even a visual). He said it sounded promising and possibly implemented as soon as 2017.

The main reasoning behind it was they said only 13~% of vehicles being tested were older then 1996. This few of vehicles did not justify the cost to maintain the BAR-97's current infrastructure.

I haven't looked into it much, just reporting in on what I have heard.

TWest · 07-29-2015, 05:39 AM

Hmm.. Would be nice for those who live in Cali. Is the 1996 thing a set year or is it a time frame (20 years..etc)?

ZenkiKid · 07-29-2015, 09:07 AM

If thats true then I am sure its a cost cutting measure. Smog shops would be screwed by this because that would mean less cars would be needed to be tested.

STEEZxIT · 07-29-2015, 10:16 AM

good to hear. hopefully it goes through.

i don't think smog shops would be hit very hard, considering the pre 1996 vehicles make up roughly 13% of their market. they might not even notice a difference.

i've always thought it'd be cool to implement an enthusiast tax or exemption from the smog laws. provided your vehicle is safe, you would be allowed to run whatever swap, import any car.

drift freaq · 07-29-2015, 12:02 PM

This has happened because they enforced Bar97 procedure effectively. To spell it out CARB was successful in the end goal of getting the majority of older cars off the road by strictness of the tests forcing failures and causing consumers to buy newer less polluting cars. The latter part of the comment is based on their opinion. Never,ind the fact that they adjusted pass/fail numbers to cause more failures.

If you think that is not true talk to any smog mechanic worth a damn and they will tell you the numbers to pass today are stricter than previously.
It's good but it's sad because it sent a lot of good cars to the yards prematurely. IMO

ZenkiKid · 07-29-2015, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drift freaq

This has happened because they enforced Bar97 procedure effectively. To spell it out CARB was successful in the end goal of getting the majority of older cars off the road by strictness of the tests forcing failures and causing consumers to buy newer less polluting cars. The latter part of the comment is based on their opinion. Never,ind the fact that they adjusted pass/fail numbers to cause more failures.

If you think that is not true talk to any smog mechanic worth a damn and they will tell you the numbers to pass today are stricter than previously.
It's good but it's sad because it sent a lot of good cars to the yards prematurely. IMO

This is all true. A family friend of mine is a smog tech and long story short he tells me that its getting harder and harder to pass every year. He also told me that Nevada and Arizona is looking towards getting stricter as well.

Sumslapper · 07-29-2015, 07:50 PM

It is getting really hard to pass smog. In my county (Marin county SF) you used to be able to pass with 2 "Not ready" codes, then it was down to 1. Now its 0. It was a huge PITA to pass my car by the books, not to mention the drive cycle on a 97 is absolutely ridiculous.

If this goes through, 93 FD here I come

STEEZxIT · 07-30-2015, 10:27 AM

i have no clue how i'm going to pass next year.

FUCK one more year (hopefully)

Goofs · 07-30-2015, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TWest

Hmm.. Would be nice for those who live in Cali. Is the 1996 thing a set year or is it a time frame (20 years..etc)?

1996 is the set year, I believe that is when cars were required to change to OBDII

ZenkiKid · 08-06-2015, 10:54 AM

If this goes through the prices of s13s will go through the roof (even more than they are right now)

silverarrow27 · 08-08-2015, 10:04 PM

Well, I guess I'll be holding onto my s13 for a few more years and hope for the best.

ZenkiKid · 08-23-2015, 10:17 PM

I spoke to my buddy who is a smog tech over the weekend...

he too heard this also, but he said based on his experience that it probably happen later than sooner.

he said that for how long hes been a tech that whenever something new is said or developed by the state it takes a while until it actually comes to fruition.

***FaLKoN240*** · 08-24-2015, 12:43 AM

I'm smogging my KA-T car this year and I can't wait until this goes through. Fingers crossed.

s3cf · 09-28-2015, 04:55 PM

cant wait for it to get implemented

dvdevo · 10-03-2015, 02:12 AM

Oh man, a couple of sr20s will be a premium if this passes.

AllThingsGravy · 10-09-2015, 10:34 AM

My butt cheeks will be clenched until 2017, let's hope this happens sooner rather than later.

cargirlbecca · 10-10-2015, 10:35 PM

CARB wants anything older then a few years off the road... I would be surprised if they didn't come up with something else to punish 1976-1996 cars/

ZaK687 · 10-15-2015, 01:02 PM

Fingers crossed!

07-29-2015, 02:27 AM	#1
hassanbakar123 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: san bernardino Posts: 375 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Smog Check Possible Change. I am currently taking a CA Smog Check update course. Bottom line is the Instructor stated during his BAR Annual Instructor course some of the BAR representatives stated they are discussing the possibility of stopping the BAR-97 test. This would move all vehicles 1996 and newer to the BAR-OIS system and everything prior would be exempt (not even a visual). He said it sounded promising and possibly implemented as soon as 2017. The main reasoning behind it was they said only 13~% of vehicles being tested were older then 1996. This few of vehicles did not justify the cost to maintain the BAR-97's current infrastructure. I haven't looked into it much, just reporting in on what I have heard. __________________ https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassanbakar

07-29-2015, 05:39 AM	#2
TWest Leaky Injector Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 105 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Hmm.. Would be nice for those who live in Cali. Is the 1996 thing a set year or is it a time frame (20 years..etc)? __________________

07-29-2015, 09:07 AM	#3
ZenkiKid Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Nowhere Age: 34 Posts: 3,284 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	If thats true then I am sure its a cost cutting measure. Smog shops would be screwed by this because that would mean less cars would be needed to be tested. __________________ http://www.nissanroadracing.com/

07-29-2015, 10:16 AM	#4
STEEZxIT Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: socal, man! Posts: 1,261 Trader Rating: (11) Feedback Score: 11 reviews	good to hear. hopefully it goes through. i don't think smog shops would be hit very hard, considering the pre 1996 vehicles make up roughly 13% of their market. they might not even notice a difference. i've always thought it'd be cool to implement an enthusiast tax or exemption from the smog laws. provided your vehicle is safe, you would be allowed to run whatever swap, import any car. __________________ @dangerdamian

07-29-2015, 12:02 PM	#5
drift freaq R.I.P. Aya, always love Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Los Feliz/Hollywood Posts: 18,562 Trader Rating: (215) Rides Gallery: drift freaq Feedback Score: 215 reviews	This has happened because they enforced Bar97 procedure effectively. To spell it out CARB was successful in the end goal of getting the majority of older cars off the road by strictness of the tests forcing failures and causing consumers to buy newer less polluting cars. The latter part of the comment is based on their opinion. Never,ind the fact that they adjusted pass/fail numbers to cause more failures. If you think that is not true talk to any smog mechanic worth a damn and they will tell you the numbers to pass today are stricter than previously. It's good but it's sad because it sent a lot of good cars to the yards prematurely. IMO __________________ "Having a lot of tracks on a song is like putting stickers on a car to get more horsepower" New Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uebV1OnbRsw Buy my mounts! http://zilvia.net/f/sale-items/51531...ns-mounts.html http://zilvia.net/f/tech-talk/317539...e-mouts-6.html

07-29-2015, 07:50 PM	#7
Sumslapper Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Ventura County, CA Posts: 1,162 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	It is getting really hard to pass smog. In my county (Marin county SF) you used to be able to pass with 2 "Not ready" codes, then it was down to 1. Now its 0. It was a huge PITA to pass my car by the books, not to mention the drive cycle on a 97 is absolutely ridiculous. If this goes through, 93 FD here I come

07-30-2015, 10:27 AM	#8
STEEZxIT Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: socal, man! Posts: 1,261 Trader Rating: (11) Feedback Score: 11 reviews	i have no clue how i'm going to pass next year. FUCK one more year (hopefully) __________________ @dangerdamian

08-06-2015, 10:54 AM	#10
ZenkiKid Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Nowhere Age: 34 Posts: 3,284 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	If this goes through the prices of s13s will go through the roof (even more than they are right now) __________________ http://www.nissanroadracing.com/

08-08-2015, 10:04 PM	#11
silverarrow27 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Banning, CA Posts: 1,428 Trader Rating: (11) Feedback Score: 11 reviews	Well, I guess I'll be holding onto my s13 for a few more years and hope for the best. __________________ 1989 240sx XE\|2002 Frontier SC CC LB 4wd\|2011 Pathfinder LE V8 4wd

08-23-2015, 10:17 PM	#12
ZenkiKid Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Nowhere Age: 34 Posts: 3,284 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	I spoke to my buddy who is a smog tech over the weekend... he too heard this also, but he said based on his experience that it probably happen later than sooner. he said that for how long hes been a tech that whenever something new is said or developed by the state it takes a while until it actually comes to fruition. __________________ http://www.nissanroadracing.com/

08-24-2015, 12:43 AM	#13
*FaLKoN240* Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: SoCal Temecula Posts: 16,885 Trader Rating: (73) Feedback Score: 73 reviews	I'm smogging my KA-T car this year and I can't wait until this goes through. Fingers crossed. __________________ Best way to do business with me? Make your best offer FIRST.

09-28-2015, 04:55 PM	#14
s3cf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: sf bay area Posts: 17 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	cant wait for it to get implemented

10-03-2015, 02:12 AM	#15
dvdevo Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: cali Posts: 1,469 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Oh man, a couple of sr20s will be a premium if this passes.

10-09-2015, 10:34 AM	#16
AllThingsGravy Zilvia Addict Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Somewhere in Cali Age: 30 Posts: 612 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	My butt cheeks will be clenched until 2017, let's hope this happens sooner rather than later.

10-10-2015, 10:35 PM	#17
cargirlbecca Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Southern California Posts: 7 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	CARB wants anything older then a few years off the road... I would be surprised if they didn't come up with something else to punish 1976-1996 cars/

10-15-2015, 01:02 PM	#18
ZaK687 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: LIVERMORE, CA Posts: 838 Trader Rating: (16) Feedback Score: 16 reviews	Fingers crossed!