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fwuffy squirrel · 02-16-2010, 06:54 PM

Only "I" could take something so easy as changing a belt and turn it into fully disabling my car.

I'll make this quick.

The car was off.
I was changing the belt like normal and I decided to be a noob and attempt to loosen a bolt I shouldn't have.

Before changing the belt colored green,
I tried to loosen the bolt colored red.
And the wheel colored pink moved a decent amount.

Knowing that I did something wrong, I moved it back a little bit but I'm sure not in the exact same spot as before. After finishing putting the new belt on, POOF my car won't start, or even attempt to crank. Just a click.

Did I mess up the timing?

If so can I just take off my valve cover and spin the same bolt to attempt to line up the sprockets to 10 and 12?

Or am I just a noob and my car is possessed?

koukimonster139 · 02-16-2010, 07:02 PM

You loosened the nut that holds on the power steering pump pulley. But while trying to loosen that, doing so you also prob. spun the crankshaft with no ignition.

TIMING

240_fun · 02-16-2010, 07:33 PM

spinning the crank without ign wont affect the timing. That is done by turning the dizzy or in this case the CAS...

koukimonster139 · 02-16-2010, 07:36 PM

whats a dizzy

fwuffy squirrel · 02-16-2010, 07:39 PM

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fwuffy squirrel · 02-16-2010, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 240_fun

spinning the crank without ign wont affect the timing. That is done my turning the dizzy or in this case the CAS...

I hoped it wouldn't affect it, but the car isn't starting or cranking at all and I've changed nothing besides that belt.
I'm pretty sure it's the timing, I'm just too inexperianced to know what to do now =/

koukimonster139 · 02-16-2010, 07:41 PM

what else could it be? Its a power steering pump and the only other thing that it could have affected was the crankshaft position.

Nduggs · 02-16-2010, 07:46 PM

Dude it sounds like something crazy simple. Check the battery connection first. Spinning the crank pulley would affect timing LOL.

240_fun · 02-16-2010, 07:47 PM

it wouldnt affect the timing because the timing is read off the Cam angle sensor, if you spun the crank, the cam would turn, if the cam turned, you turned the Cam angle sensor, the cam sensor is a halifax switch and will read the next time the engine is spun

LayNLow · 02-16-2010, 07:56 PM

Wow, there is a large amount of fail in this thread. Doing anything to a powersteering belt wouldnt affect the engines ability to start.
Dude, check around where you were working for any loose connectors. Simple as that, you probably unplugged the cam sensor plug.

240_fun · 02-16-2010, 07:56 PM

Not to mention the fact that even if it were timing, it wouldnt prevent the car from turning over... If the timing was off it wouldnt start but it would still turn over

koukimonster139 · 02-16-2010, 07:58 PM

hmm dunno then batt cables lol

LayNLow · 02-16-2010, 08:04 PM

Whats so hard about this? Seriously? Check the plugs around the area where you worked. Problem solved.

vqboodah · 02-16-2010, 08:05 PM

must of overtighten the belt. try turning the belt, if there is absolute zero slack, you over tightened.

fwuffy squirrel · 02-16-2010, 08:05 PM

I'm still a big noob when it comes to cars. 3 years of doing everything myself for the first time and I've learned a lot but still running into things I have no idea about. Btw Rule 34 on SR20 anybody?

Nduggs · 02-16-2010, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LayNLow

Wow, there is a large amount of fail in this thread. Doing anything to a powersteering belt wouldnt affect the engines ability to start.
Dude, check around where you were working for any loose connectors. Simple as that, you probably unplugged the cam sensor plug.

LOL Speaking of fail, an unplugged CAS wouldn't cause the car not to crank at all. Please think things through before posting.

koukimonster139 · 02-16-2010, 08:10 PM

true, but why would anyone, including op, unplug anything to change a belt tho

zaquanh · 02-16-2010, 08:11 PM

this thread sucks , check ur electronics

you didnt do anything but turn the crank

if you messed up timing it would still crank

LayNLow · 02-16-2010, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nduggs

LOL Speaking of fail, an unplugged CAS wouldn't cause the car not to crank at all. Please think things through before posting.

Didnt read that far down to notice he said it just clicked.

fwuffy squirrel · 02-16-2010, 08:40 PM

Sorry to bother everybody with this stupid problem but thanks for the help. I checked everything and it still didn't start, but after pushing the clutch down 20 times it did and ran fine. Something is wrong with my car where for some reason the car doesn't read that the clutch is down and will just click but not crank so I just have to get lucky and hit that 1/20.
It used to do that a while back but hasn't for about 8 months. Idk why I have these ghost problems =/

dubtastic · 02-16-2010, 10:41 PM

there is safety switch behind the clutch pedal that closes the starting circuit when the clutch pedal is fully depressed. the switch is not closing when you're pressing on the clutch pedal and therefore the starting ciruit remains open. replace the switch, or just bypass it. the only thing that would of really caused your not to CRANK based on what you said is if you overtightened the belt tension.

LayNLow · 02-16-2010, 11:45 PM

Well if thats the case, your starter may be going out. Mine did the same thing for a while until it just didnt turn over at all.

02-16-2010, 07:02 PM	#2
koukimonster139 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Birmingham, AL Age: 37 Posts: 1,379 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You loosened the nut that holds on the power steering pump pulley. But while trying to loosen that, doing so you also prob. spun the crankshaft with no ignition. TIMING __________________ ho ha ho chi chi

02-16-2010, 07:33 PM	#3
240_fun Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Pennington Age: 34 Posts: 129 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	spinning the crank without ign wont affect the timing. That is done by turning the dizzy or in this case the CAS... Last edited by 240_fun; 02-16-2010 at 07:58 PM..

02-16-2010, 07:36 PM	#4
koukimonster139 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Birmingham, AL Age: 37 Posts: 1,379 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	whats a dizzy __________________ ho ha ho chi chi

02-16-2010, 07:41 PM	#7
koukimonster139 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Birmingham, AL Age: 37 Posts: 1,379 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	what else could it be? Its a power steering pump and the only other thing that it could have affected was the crankshaft position. __________________ ho ha ho chi chi

02-16-2010, 07:56 PM	#10
LayNLow Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: memphis tn Posts: 346 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Wow, there is a large amount of fail in this thread. Doing anything to a powersteering belt wouldnt affect the engines ability to start. Dude, check around where you were working for any loose connectors. Simple as that, you probably unplugged the cam sensor plug. __________________

02-16-2010, 07:46 PM	#8
Nduggs Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: West Chester, OH Posts: 38 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Dude it sounds like something crazy simple. Check the battery connection first. Spinning the crank pulley would affect timing LOL.

02-16-2010, 07:47 PM	#9
240_fun Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Pennington Age: 34 Posts: 129 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	it wouldnt affect the timing because the timing is read off the Cam angle sensor, if you spun the crank, the cam would turn, if the cam turned, you turned the Cam angle sensor, the cam sensor is a halifax switch and will read the next time the engine is spun

02-16-2010, 07:58 PM	#12
koukimonster139 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Birmingham, AL Age: 37 Posts: 1,379 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	hmm dunno then batt cables lol __________________ ho ha ho chi chi

02-16-2010, 08:04 PM	#13
LayNLow Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: memphis tn Posts: 346 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Whats so hard about this? Seriously? Check the plugs around the area where you worked. Problem solved. __________________

02-16-2010, 08:05 PM	#14
vqboodah Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: MA Posts: 601 Trader Rating: (20) Feedback Score: 20 reviews	must of overtighten the belt. try turning the belt, if there is absolute zero slack, you over tightened.

02-16-2010, 08:10 PM	#17
koukimonster139 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Birmingham, AL Age: 37 Posts: 1,379 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	true, but why would anyone, including op, unplug anything to change a belt tho __________________ ho ha ho chi chi

02-16-2010, 08:11 PM	#18
zaquanh Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: san antonio Posts: 1,073 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	this thread sucks , check ur electronics you didnt do anything but turn the crank if you messed up timing it would still crank __________________ www.topshelfmotorsports.com http://www.redbubble.com/people/snapprint365/

02-16-2010, 10:41 PM	#21
dubtastic Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: 815 Age: 34 Posts: 39 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	there is safety switch behind the clutch pedal that closes the starting circuit when the clutch pedal is fully depressed. the switch is not closing when you're pressing on the clutch pedal and therefore the starting ciruit remains open. replace the switch, or just bypass it. the only thing that would of really caused your not to CRANK based on what you said is if you overtightened the belt tension.

02-16-2010, 11:45 PM	#22
LayNLow Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: memphis tn Posts: 346 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Well if thats the case, your starter may be going out. Mine did the same thing for a while until it just didnt turn over at all. __________________