The Future Automotive Thread

[BryanSayWhat]

Originally Posted by Future240

How long would the ringlands last at that time of whp?

I've always wanted an STI but the ringland issue has kinda scared me away. I have settled on picking up a Q50 next year when my bonus comes.

430whp is possible with bolt ons. Sadly auto only.

Hard to say... There's many reports of owners going up to 350whp+ on stock engines within the first 5,000mi and running them issue free up to 80,000+mi (usually going fully built after that for more power). You also see people having ringland issues on stock engines anywhere from the first couple thousand miles to 65,000mi+...

From what I've read, many of the top subi gurus say the ringland issue on OEM stock engines isn't as big as it's made out to be. Kind of like how one negative experience will over shadow hundreds, or more of positive experiences.

They also say that the following should be done to maintain a healthy engine (which is usually not done by many):

• Change oil every 3,000mi (apparently there's no such thing as too fresh of an oil change in an STI) *Subaru even has the "Subaru Engine Oil System Flush" that they recommend for turbo cars now.
• Let the car fully idle to operating temp on cold start up (about 4.5-5min)
• For the first 5-10min drive at 3K RPM, or less for further engine warm up
• Drive the absolute shit out of it after that

It's also said that you should bring it near redline a couple of times every time you drive. Apparently new/ worried drivers don't bring it up to redline at all which can cause problems. Anyone who's ever driven a stock 2.5L STI knows that the car feels flat at 5.5K RPM and drops at 6K+ RPM, so you normally shift at 5.5K RPM max (redline is 6.7K).

With that said, I made sure that I had at least a 3yr warranty when I bought mine (lol). After that I'm prepared to either get a new OEM shortblock if any failures arise, or go fully built for 400whp like previously mentioned. A built 400whp engine is usually the max for a reliable DD street car.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by ronmcdon

id have to agree with this. if you want both chassis and engine, just get the mustang then. more variety is welcome and its nice if nissan could contribute more and avoid much of stigma from the Zupra. I do think the mustang chassis would be great for an infiniti Q60 replacement or similar midsize luxury tourer

now if you?re dead set on badge engineering, the fiesta st and focus st or rs, that would cool. the current sentra and altima suck anways. would be less painful to lose the fiesta st if it were to be resurrected at the new nissan pulsar gtir

Hmmm you read my mind.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Go buy a Miata and be done with it then.

Also, the Porsche Boxster of the 70's is the 914. Nice try.

Actually you?re wrong the 718 GTS is an amazing car quicker than a 911. Oh and a 916 was not to be sneezed at.

Nissan could do worse than to Benchmark the new Z against it( Porsche 718) Todays 718s?s are not your grandpappys Boxster/Sypder/Caymen.


Oh and word on the street is the next GT86 is coming with a Turbocharged engine.

[Future240]

Originally Posted by BryanSayWhat

Hard to say... There's many reports of owners going up to 350whp+ on stock engines within the first 5,000mi and running them issue free up to 80,000+mi (usually going fully built after that for more power). You also see people having ringland issues on stock engines anywhere from the first couple thousand miles to 65,000mi+...

From what I've read, many of the top subi gurus say the ringland issue on OEM stock engines isn't as big as it's made out to be. Kind of like how one negative experience will over shadow hundreds, or more of positive experiences.

They also say that the following should be done to maintain a healthy engine (which is usually not done by many):

• Change oil every 3,000mi (apparently there's no such thing as too fresh of an oil change in an STI) *Subaru even has the "Subaru Engine Oil System Flush" that they recommend for turbo cars now.
• Let the car fully idle to operating temp on cold start up (about 4.5-5min)
• For the first 5-10min drive at 3K RPM, or less for further engine warm up
• Drive the absolute shit out of it after that

It's also said that you should bring it near redline a couple of times every time you drive. Apparently new/ worried drivers don't bring it up to redline at all which can cause problems. Anyone who's ever driven a stock 2.5L STI knows that the car feels flat at 5.5K RPM and drops at 6K+ RPM, so you normally shift at 5.5K RPM max (redline is 6.7K).

With that said, I made sure that I had at least a 3yr warranty when I bought mine (lol). After that I'm prepared to either get a new OEM shortblock if any failures arise, or go fully built for 400whp like previously mentioned. A built 400whp engine is usually the max for a reliable DD street car.

That seems like kind of a lot for the average person.

I mean without prior knowledge I would also not rev a car past the point it is making power.

My own research also suggests to get rid of the UEL as it tends to heat two cylinders more than the others.

Any truth to that?

[TheRealSy90]

Originally Posted by Dutchmalmiss

I love that they finally brought in the S30's best qualities in the rear quarter panel and long hood. Wouldn't mind those wheels either. My preference is hoping it would be a 2+2, but it wouldn't be a dealbreaker. I don't hear a turbo-spool during that start-up/rev sequence though.

How many production turbo cars have super audible turbo noises? Also there's not much spooling to be had on startup. It sounds exactly like a stock exhaust turbo engine to me.

SRT-4 bov noise doesn't count lol.

[BryanSayWhat]

Originally Posted by Future240

That seems like kind of a lot for the average person.

Meh, for me it's just normal when dealing with performance cars/ motorcycles. Some people only give it 30sec of idling and then drive under boost until the cars warmed up, but I'm never in that much of a hurry. Changing the oil every 3,000 mi just ensures that you can drive as hard as you want with less worries (before this car I usually did it every 5K mi).

Originally Posted by Future240

I mean without prior knowledge I would also not rev a car past the point it is making power.

The reason for bringing it close to redline once, or twice when driving is to free up possible carbon build up. It's not at all something you should be doing a lot of.

Originally Posted by Future240

My own research also suggests to get rid of the UEL as it tends to heat two cylinders more than the others.

Any truth to that?

I have read that ELH are a lot more efficient than the UEL (especially power gain wise with stage 2+ tuning).

With that said, I don't want to risk voiding my warranty while I have it.

Originally Posted by TheRealSy90

How many production turbo cars have super audible turbo noises? Also there's not much spooling to be had on startup. It sounds exactly like a stock exhaust turbo engine to me.

SRT-4 bov noise doesn't count lol.

The current gen STI's are pretty much silent. I have a GFB TMS BOV on mine for the noises (only engine mod I have).

[spooled240]

Originally Posted by BryanSayWhat

Hard to say... There's many reports of owners going up to 350whp+ on stock engines within the first 5,000mi and running them issue free up to 80,000+mi (usually going fully built after that for more power). You also see people having ringland issues on stock engines anywhere from the first couple thousand miles to 65,000mi+...

From what I've read, many of the top subi gurus say the ringland issue on OEM stock engines isn't as big as it's made out to be. Kind of like how one negative experience will over shadow hundreds, or more of positive experiences.

They also say that the following should be done to maintain a healthy engine (which is usually not done by many):

• Change oil every 3,000mi (apparently there's no such thing as too fresh of an oil change in an STI) *Subaru even has the "Subaru Engine Oil System Flush" that they recommend for turbo cars now.
• Let the car fully idle to operating temp on cold start up (about 4.5-5min)
• For the first 5-10min drive at 3K RPM, or less for further engine warm up
• Drive the absolute shit out of it after that

It's also said that you should bring it near redline a couple of times every time you drive. Apparently new/ worried drivers don't bring it up to redline at all which can cause problems. Anyone who's ever driven a stock 2.5L STI knows that the car feels flat at 5.5K RPM and drops at 6K+ RPM, so you normally shift at 5.5K RPM max (redline is 6.7K).

With that said, I made sure that I had at least a 3yr warranty when I bought mine (lol). After that I'm prepared to either get a new OEM shortblock if any failures arise, or go fully built for 400whp like previously mentioned. A built 400whp engine is usually the max for a reliable DD street car.

[BryanSayWhat]

Well I guess the good thing is everyone can see how well my STI adventures go without buying one. lol

I'm a fanboy, but I don't need to lie to kick it. If I experience engine failure you all will be the first to hear it.

So far the first year has been awesome.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by BryanSayWhat

Well I guess the good thing is everyone can see how well my STI adventures go without buying one. lol

I'm a fanboy, but I don't need to lie to kick it. If I experience engine failure you all will be the first to hear it.

So far the first year has been awesome.

Better get that Christmas list out now...

[BryanSayWhat]

I never really understood the vape/ Subaru thing... Seems like that whole image is just associated with the cringe car scene that was going on when vaping became trendy.

Crazy how that trend has effectively changed how people look at WRX/ STI's (even though that image goes "beyond" both of those cars).

I guess it's the same as when you bring up the words "240sx" and people say "Oh, those cheap drifty cars that explode into a million pieces when they hit something at 10mph?".

Also, you posted that meme last year, before Christmas and I'm still good. lol

[spooled240]

Originally Posted by BryanSayWhat

I never really understood the vape/ Subaru thing... Seems like that whole image is just associated with the cringe car scene that was going on when vaping became trendy.



Crazy how that trend has effectively changed how people look at WRX/ STI's (even though that image goes "beyond" both of those cars).

It's a stress reliever when you realize your low mileage Sti is burning 2 quarts a week

[BryanSayWhat]

Originally Posted by spooled240

It's a stress reliever when you realize your low mileage Sti is burning 2 quarts a week

Well shit... Turbo BMW/ Audi's would be the face of vaping if that was the reason.

The whole Subaru oil consumption thing was for 2011-15 Legacy, Outback, Impreza and Crosstrek (2.0L/ 2.5L "NA" engines). Apparently, BMW, Audi and Subaru all claim some oil consumption is perfectly normal.

STI's consuming noticeable amounts of oil is actually pretty uncommon and if you are loosing "1 quart" in "1200mi" (per the manual) you likely have big problem.

With that said, my oil level doesn't move at all between oil changes.

[ronmcdon]

Had a 06 sti for 2 years, kept stock, did 4 track events, got 3 speeding tickets and put around 16k miles. didn't have any oil burn issues or any other mechanical issues. I traded it in for an evo only because I liked that more.

I don't think vaping was a thing back then or maybe I just wasn't paying attention.

[cured13]

GOT YOUR POPCORN READY?

[Antihero983]

I am cautiously excited.

[brndck]

Originally Posted by cured13

GOT YOUR POPCORN READY?

I'm already working on what i'm gonna complain about.

[dorkidori_s13]

its actually good looking...

[dorkidori_s13]

its actually good looking...

ITS TURBO AND ITS STICK!!!! they show the interiors LCD instrument panel, and clear as day BOOST GAUGE!!!

[SERADAMEL]

[DreamN]

I'm liking it. Interior looks damn good.

[spooled240]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOST

[TheRealSy90]

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[exitspeed]

I LOVE IT!!!! I?m in! Seriously.




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[ZX88]

I like it. It's also cool how they did a "live stream" format for a major release.

[kingkilburn]

Boy did they style a car for middle aged dudes into euros. Purely visually, I don't regret my purchase.

[BryanSayWhat]

Originally Posted by ronmcdon

I don't think vaping was a thing back then or maybe I just wasn't paying attention.

The vape/ Subaru meme was created probably sometime in 2014-16. Becoming more popular to regurgitate in the past couple of years.

The WRX was the affordable used turbo charged car at the time and the Hoonigan/ Ken Block Gymkhana movement was in full effect. This lead to the "Doing it Wrong" crowd buying up every WRX and then proceeding to bounce it off the rev limiter in the nearest field they could find. People then surprised pikachu faced when the things blew up from such abuse. Let alone the amount of half assed DIY mods that were put on them + general lack of maintenance. This also happened with the STI if the funds were there.

They were part of the same crowd that enhanced themselves in Hoonigan, Nitro Circus, Monster Energy, Rockstar, Redbull, D.C. and Volcom. Which by default was immediately drawn to the "vape nation" craze going on at the same time.

In just that short time Lemon Lames started associating WRX/ STI's with the above image/ companies instead Hot Version, Best Motoring, Original RUNDUCE, Prodrive, AQUA, ZERO/SPORTS, AUTO PRODUCE BOSS, Varis, Voltex and etc.. Which had been around for a decade, or decades prior.

[TheRealSy90]

That interior glow up.





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[Dutchmalmiss]

Interior and rear end are looking great. I'm not liking that the grill is a straight up rectangle looking at it dead on, but from a quarter view it's a lot better. But yeah wow definitely not disappointed. Any word on price?

[dorkidori_s13]

is it weird that the first thing that popped into my head when i saw the rear was "wow, looks like S14 kouki taillights"? lol

im actually quite pleased that it looks A LOT sleeker and slimmer than the 350 and 370.

also one first MAJOR impression after seeing the car from all sides... wait for it... wait for it...

NO FAKE VENTS EVERYWHERE!!!

i really hope they call it either just "Z" or "300z". the "400z" idea was just stupid. the Z has always been named after its displacement.

[BryanSayWhat]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

Boy did they style a car for middle aged dudes into euros. Purely visually, I don't regret my purchase.

I'll wait until I see one IRL, but I kind of agree.

I'm seeing bits from all of the previous Z's plus Aston Martin.