The Future Automotive Thread

[Yardjass]

There is absolutely no way I'd spend 40 grand on a fucking Mustang under any circumstance other than an immediate flip. Not even if it made 2000 horses. If I spent that kind of money on a car, it would be a more tasteful one, and most likely one that has stopped depreciating.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by Yardjass

There is absolutely no way I'd spend 40 grand on a fucking Mustang under any circumstance other than an immediate flip. Not even if it made 2000 horses. If I spent that kind of money on a car, it would be a more tasteful one, and most likely one that has stopped depreciating.

Cool story bro.

[Yardjass]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Cool story bro.

Glad you liked it, cuhh

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by Corbic

This was over on SVTP.

You can get a 2016 Mustang GT for $39k with the Dealer installed Roush TVS Supercharger making 670hp with 3/36k warranty.

http://cdnedge.vinsolutions.com/Deal...lyer%20All.pdf

If you don't mind losing your warranty you can have it tuned to 727hp.

http://api.viglink.com/api/click?for...F727hp-mustang

Great, and for $10k you can have a Dodge Caravan with an LS and NOOOOOOS that runs 7's. What does that have to do with the cost of tea in China?

Not everything requires a Mustang comparo.

[Yardjass]

If it makes you feel better, I wouldn't buy a camaro or challenger either. It isn't a Mustang thing, it's an overweight piece of shit thing.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by Yardjass

If it makes you feel better, I wouldn't buy a camaro or challenger either. It isn't a Mustang thing, it's an overweight piece of shit thing.

I'd hardly call the Camaro or Mustang and overweight pos. The Challenger, sure.

[kashira kureijii]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

I'd hardly call the Camaro or Mustang and overweight pos. The Challenger, sure.

both of them weigh like 3400 lbs........ compared to a 2800 lb 240.

[Frank_Jaeger]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

I'd hardly call the Camaro or Mustang and overweight pos. The Challenger, sure.

Traitor.

msglngth

[zenkicpe]

But all that girth makes me feel soooo safe, I love my government yayyyyyyy

[zerodameaon]

Originally Posted by kashira kureijii

both of them weigh like 3400 lbs........ compared to a 2800 lb 240.

You can't really compare the weights of a 140hp(if you are lucky) 240 and 435hp mustang. I mean if you are talking about a power bump on the 240 cool but remember the 20 years the 240 has on the mustang do it no favors suspension wise. Sure the 240 has a lot of aftermarket, but so does the mustang.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by zerodameaon

You can't really compare the weights of a 140hp(if you are lucky) 240 and 435hp mustang. I mean if you are talking about a power bump on the 240 cool but remember the 20 years the 240 has on the mustang do it no favors suspension wise. Sure the 240 has a lot of aftermarket, but so does the mustang.

Yeah comparing an old as 240 weight to a new Camaro or Mustang is crazy. Even the 4 cyl Camaro is better than a 240 in ever single measurable performance statistic.

I mean I feel like a die hard 240 fan (even though I haven't owned one in 5 years) but I can admit how much better modern cars are. I mean fuck my huge ass 7 passenger Pathfinder probably runs as fast of a quarter mile.

Weight isn't the only factor in whether a car is a good performer or not. The GTR made that pretty clear.

[exitspeed]

And this is a HUGE development. Nissan may take a controlling stake in Mitsubishi. This means nothing at the moment but it's interesting.

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/05/11/n...ubishi-motors/

[Dutchmalmiss]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

And this is a HUGE development. Nissan may take a controlling stake in Mitsubishi. This means nothing at the moment but it's interesting.

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/05/11/n...ubishi-motors/

Hmm intriguing to say the least. Skyline EVO-GTR-HYBRID anyone?

[zerodameaon]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Yeah comparing an old as 240 weight to a new Camaro or Mustang is crazy.

I mean I feel like a die hard 240 fan (even though I haven't owned one in 5 years) but I can admit how much better modern cars are.

I love my 240s, neither run, and I now own the nut job that is a Fiesta ST because well, I got over my hatred of OBDII and found a car that is still simple enough I can wrench on myself. Modern cars may be pigs but they are also not a mid 90s pig. My car weighs in at about what a base model 92 hatch comes in at, but its also a shit load smaller, and has about 60 more crank hp, though I am sure a S13 with the same HP would not be able to hang with my car without a LOT of suspension work.

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by Corbic

This was over on SVTP.

You can get a 2016 Mustang GT for $39k with the Dealer installed Roush TVS Supercharger making 670hp with 3/36k warranty.

Wow. Makes the Hellcat and the GT350R pretty pointless. Very cool.

[Dutchmalmiss]

Originally Posted by simmode1

Wow. Makes the Hellcat and the GT350R pretty pointless. Very cool.

Hard to ignore the exhaust note of a GT350 though. Sex.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by Dutchmalmiss

Hard to ignore the exhaust note of a GT350 though. Sex.

Meh, sounds like a busted ass sports bike. Doesn't sound anything like a Ferrari.


Coyote in general sounds like loud raspy hollow ass.

[simmode1]

I'm not enough of an audiophile to place that much focus on the sound of the exhaust note. But the GT350's aero package on that cheap beast would be killer.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by simmode1

Wow. Makes the Hellcat and the GT350R pretty pointless. Very cool.

Meh, GT350(R) is all about track performance and handling.

Hellcat should have just been called Fatcat. It has a curb weight of 4,500lb

Add driver, fuel and take it to a scale and I bet it's pushing 5k.

[Dutchmalmiss]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Meh, GT350(R) is all about track performance and handling.

Isn't that a good thing?

And good God didn't know the Hellcat weighed that much, although it's not surprising. 700hp probably doesn't even feel like 700hp in that car.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by simmode1

I'm not enough of an audiophile to place that much focus on the sound of the exhaust note. But the GT350's aero package on that cheap beast would be killer.

Sounds a big deal in owning a performance car. I hate the SR and its bawwwwwwwwwww bawwwwwwwww

Coyote really is aggravating. The only exhaust that sounds halfway like a V8 is the Basani Mid-Muffler system. Many sound like busted ass Hondas with header leaks.

I'm also cranky about the modern PD blowers. Gone are the days of the Eaton M112 and Kenne Bell 2.2 screams.

The newer systems improved efficiency, reduced RPM and lowered the whine to the point at low boost you can't even hear it over the radio or exhaut. Boooo.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by Dutchmalmiss

Isn't that a good thing?

I was "Meh" about his statement, not the GT350.

[Green Arrow]

atleast the challenger hellcat didnt have a commercial where they put microphones to the exhaust....LOL
What was ford thinking?

[zerodameaon]

I would not say that car makes the GT350 pointless, but the HellCat on the other hand. I am sure the GT350 could run circles around a 727hp GT because it sounds like the only add on is more power, and nothing else to support that lunacy. The Coyote is pretty meh in my opinion, its sound does not really stand out, or its overall power when in GT form. As for the rumored Ecoboost 5.0, now that should be nuts if it comes into existence.

[kingkilburn]

Originally Posted by kashira kureijii

Completely unrelated, but the gif of the guy VR fucking still shows up in taptalk.

I recommend a different gif, as I am tired seeing it.

This one's better.

[simmode1]

Anyone interested in a RWD 2 door 4 seater than runs for over 14 hours or 620+ miles straight on only salt water?

Came across this on FB. It's called the Quantino. ~138hp apparently.




Oh look, they've got a little family...



EDIT: Holy shit the red one is supposed to have the approximation of 1075hp...

[kashira kureijii]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

This one's better.

[Frank_Jaeger]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Yeah comparing an old as 240 weight to a new Camaro or Mustang is crazy. Even the 4 cyl Camaro is better than a 240 in ever single measurable performance statistic.

Originally Posted by zerodameaon

You can't really compare the weights of a 140hp(if you are lucky) 240 and 435hp mustang

No, you actually can compare the weights, power and handling have nothing to do with it. It's you people and your fat car acceptance that have led the auto industry to where it is now. Putting out heavier cars generation after generation even when they claim they'll be getting lighter (I'm looking at you, Mustang).

Power to weight is a great indicator of acceleration characteristics but we're talking about the big picture here. Adding power to a car does not make it weigh less, it's not the same thing. I would rather have a 250hp 2500lbs car (like my 240) than a 350hp 3500lbs car (like my Z28 Camaro).

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by Frank_Jaeger

No, you actually can compare the weights, power and handling have nothing to do with it. It's you people and your fat car acceptance that have led the auto industry to where it is now. Putting out heavier cars generation after generation even when they claim they'll be getting lighter (I'm looking at you, Mustang).

Power to weight is a great indicator of acceleration characteristics but we're talking about the big picture here. Adding power to a car does not make it weigh less, it's not the same thing. I would rather have a 250hp 2500lbs car (like my 240) than a 350hp 3500lbs car (like my Z28 Camaro).

What do you mean "you people". Lol

Weight gains in cars have come from a lot of places, almost none being because people wanted it (most people have no fucking clue how much a car weighs). Cars have become laden with technology and safety tech and design elements aimed at safer cars. It's about 50% consumer demand (for tech and safety) and 50% government regulations.

In the early 2000's pedestrian crash safety standards were put I place by the government which required the front of cars to be higher. This is why car belt lines and trunks got to be so damn tall. Cars got taller. Everything grew in size in the 2000's. Look at the height of a 2000 Civic's headlights and then look at a 2016's.

It's just is what it is. Luckily for us almost all the manufacturers are trying their best (some soon better than others) to reduce weight (but don't be fooled, it's not for driving performance it's for fuel economy to meet CAFE regulations).

With all that said, it's still ridiculous to compare even a car from 2000 to today.

[Dutchmalmiss]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

What do you mean "you people". Lol

Weight gains in cars have come from a lot of places, almost none being because people wanted it (most people have no fucking clue how much a car weighs). Cars have become laden with technology and safety tech and design elements aimed at safer cars. It's about 50% consumer demand (for tech and safety) and 50% government regulations.

In the early 2000's pedestrian crash safety standards were put I place by the government which required the front of cars to be higher. This is why car belt lines and trunks got to be so damn tall. Cars got taller. Everything grew in size in the 2000's. Look at the height of a 2000 Civic's headlights and then look at a 2016's.

It's just is what it is. Luckily for us almost all the manufacturers are trying their best (some soon better than others) to reduce weight (but don't be fooled, it's not for driving performance it's for fuel economy to meet CAFE regulations).

With all that said, it's still ridiculous to compare even a car from 2000 to today.

Would you say weights of these cars have hit a ceiling now? Tech is getting lighter/smaller/cheaper nowadays. I guess we are still waiting on lighterweight steel and aluminum to become cheaper for mass-production?

I never thought that at this time I'd be saying "can't wait to see the new mustang/focus/camaro!" instead of "can't wait for the new silvia/240!" Man times have changed haha.