The Future Automotive Thread

[1 88 U]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

The low power is unacceptable. NA inline 4s have been doing 200hp reliably for 20 years. A modern turbo 4 should be knocking on 300hp with tune or bolt ons.

Ford is killing it with the ecoboost line. Nissan should publicly apologize to their shareholders for falling so far behind.

http://jalopnik.com/the-2016-honda-c...-vt-1688953678

[kingkilburn]

The future is now. Still fwd but that meets expectations for modern sporty car.

[zerodameaon]

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

http://jalopnik.com/the-2016-honda-c...-vt-1688953678

If it ever makes its way here(rumored and hinted at but not 100% confirmed) it will likely be a 45-50 thousand dollar car. You could have a Focus RS for that even with the 10 grand markup dealers are charging right now.

[Future240]

The 310 horsepower and 295 pound-feet of torque at just 2500 RPM (in a Honda! Jesus!) come from a 2.0-liter turbocharged i-VTEC four.

Subaru should just be embarrassed now.
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http://jalopnik.com/the-2016-bmw-m2-...o-s-1759530031




Too pricey now, but in about 3 years I will be looking to pick one of these up.

[zerodameaon]

Originally Posted by Future240

Subaru should just be embarrassed now.
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Subaru should be embarrassed for the last 4 or 5 years. Minus the hood scoop on some models the majority of their line lost its uniqueness. Now it just looks like every other Honda or Toyota out there. You used to know a Legacy was a Subaru.

[dorkidori_s13]

Originally Posted by zerodameaon

...You used to know a Legacy was a Subaru.

no way! i thought the Legacy was a brand new Toyota model?!??!

[zerodameaon]

Take the badges off a lot of that middle segment and they all just kind of blend together, but Subaru has gone from standing out to falling right in line with that BLAH who cares look. I guess looking like everyone else sells enough cars.

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

http://jalopnik.com/the-2016-honda-c...-vt-1688953678

167mph. So a Civic will be able to outrun a similarly powered BMW M235i.


*Sigh.*

[Future240]

Originally Posted by Future240

http://jalopnik.com/the-2016-bmw-m2-...o-s-1759530031




Too pricey now, but in about 3 years I will be looking to pick one of these up.

So no one is excited about this but me? RWD turbo in line 6, damn near identical performance to the M4 with a lot lower price (still high af for me).




I am hoping these hit the 30's in about 3 years.

[kashira kureijii]

Originally Posted by Future240

So no one is excited about this but me? RWD turbo in line 6, damn near identical performance to the M4 with a lot lower (still high af for me).




I am hoping these hit the 30's in about 3 years.

Might be cuz 50k is pretty steep just to have the privilege to honk at people before the light turns green

lolz

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by Future240

So no one is excited about this but me? RWD turbo in line 6, damn near identical performance to the M4 with a lot lower price (still high af for me).

I am hoping these hit the 30's in about 3 years.

I've been damn near the only one here posting about the 2 series up until now...

But with that said... I'm not excited about the M2. I think a used M235i would more than suit my needs with a lower price. I just don't see the point of the M2 with the same six year old N55. That that has 100hp less than the M4. I was really hoping it would get a detuned version of the S55.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by simmode1

I've been damn near the only one here posting about the 2 series up until now...

But with that said... I'm not excited about the M2. I think a used M235i would more than suit my needs with a lower price. I just don't see the point of the M2 with the same six year old N55. That that has 100hp less than the M4. I was really hoping it would get a detuned version of the S55.

Get rid of that stupid electric steering and you would probably have a decent car.

[zerodameaon]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Get rid of that stupid electric steering and you would probably have a decent car.

I want an electric power steering pump and some way to use that parking lot vriable steering on a traditional fluid system. Benefits of both, and none of the downsides of electrical. I have to say as shitty as I though electric steering would be across the board it's not actually the worst thing in the world.

[kingkilburn]

If BMW would sell models with similarly Spartan feature sets as they traditionally were I'd be all about it.

I don't want electronically adjustable suspension. I don't want iDrive. I don't need 500 pounds of sound deadening. I don't need sport mode steering.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

If BMW would sell models with similarly Spartan feature sets as they traditionally were I'd be all about it.

I don't want electronically adjustable suspension. I don't want iDrive. I don't need 500 pounds of sound deadening. I don't need sport mode steering.

Those are called....



Mustangs.

[kashira kureijii]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Those are called....



Mustangs.

gawd I feel like such a tool uploading stuff to photobucket and then like pasting it here, if only I knew how to do shit without photobucket, sighs

[kingkilburn]

Mustangs didn't have world beating turbo 4s until this year, so no.

[Future240]

Originally Posted by simmode1

I've been damn near the only one here posting about the 2 series up until now...

But with that said... I'm not excited about the M2. I think a used M235i would more than suit my needs with a lower price. I just don't see the point of the M2 with the same six year old N55. That that has 100hp less than the M4. I was really hoping it would get a detuned version of the S55.

Motor trend did a video on the M2 vs the M4, the cars were damn near identical in performance.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP5z2cJ5aqk

Originally Posted by kashira kureijii

gawd I feel like such a tool uploading stuff to photobucket and then like pasting it here, if only I knew how to do shit without photobucket, sighs

Use imugur.


http://imgur.com/

[zerodameaon]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

Mustangs didn't have world beating turbo 4s until this year, so no.

The funny thing is though, they both love crowds. Albeit the mustang significantly more.

[exitspeed]

I can't help making googly eyes at The black ATS-V at the dealer down the street.

[feito]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Because A/C and Power Steering are for pussies.

those knees have a lot of floor time.... me likey

[exitspeed]

This is the main reason I can't get excited about Tesla yet. Piles. Of. Shit. The issues are almost comical. Tesla needs 2 or 3 generations more before they actually start figuring this stuff out. It really emphasizes how hard it actually is to build a solid car.

http://jalopnik.com/the-tesla-model-...ues-1771913072

And people are sooooo blinded by the ideology that they don't even care they are buying a car that makes 90's Audi's look dependable.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

And people are sooooo blinded by the ideology that they don't even care they are buying a car that makes 90's Audi's look dependable.

They are not blinded. They are tolerant.

When you spend $7k on a Chevette that gets 20mpg and falls apart, or $6k on a Civic that gets 40mpg and runs forever... Yeah, you get mad at Chevy.

When you spend $60k on a Ferrari 308, you already know you need a Mechanic with a flatbed and pager.

That article specifically says why they are tolerate as well. They see themselves as supporting and upstart that is trying to revolutionize the industry and make lasting significant changes to the world.

If everyone just said "fuck it" when their DOS/Windows 3.1 Blue Screened every five minutes... We wouldn't be having this discussion online.

[kashira kureijii]

Originally Posted by Corbic

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If everyone just said "fuck it" when their DOS/Windows 3.1 Blue Screened every five minutes... We wouldn't be having this discussion online.

Corbic knows what's up

If everyone just said "fuck it" when their 70"s datsuns rusted to pieces , we wouldn't be here today talking about super special awesome 90"s nissans

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by kashira kureijii

Corbic knows what's up

If everyone just said "fuck it" when their 70"s datsuns rusted to pieces , we wouldn't be here today talking about super special awesome 90"s nissans

I'd drive a S30 any day over Model S.

[kashira kureijii]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

I'd drive a S30 any day over Model S.

It's not that I don't think old datsuns weren't super cool, it's just they did have teething issues, new stuff usually does

[zerodameaon]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

I'd drive a S30 any day over Model S.

You are not their target market anyways. Their target market is lawyers making 100+ grand a year who also have a few other cars like a 911. A few people at my work own them, not a single problem from either, but if one did he would just come in in his Carrera 4s while Tesla towed his car from his house to get fixed.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by kashira kureijii

It's not that I don't think old datsuns weren't super cool, it's just they did have teething issues, new stuff usually does

You really don't know or don't do your research thoroughly? Blind assumptions?

Outside of the fact that Nissan really did not have their water drain tech down in the 70's those old Datsuns were actually extremely reliable cars. It pretty much built Nissan and made them.
They were the economy, sporty car and truck to buy in the 70's with Toyota only Starting to make headway towards the end of the decade.
Toyota and Honda would really hit their stride in the 80's.


No teething issues both Toyota and Datsuns were sold in the U.S. in the 60's. 510's and 240z's took off like rocket ships. They sold so many that they were very prevelant on the used market right into the end of the 80's straight into the 90's.
There are still a lot of S30 Z's out there and up until around 3-4 years ago could still be had for as low as 3-4K.

A car that had severe reliability issues does not last in large numbers 30-40 years out.

To try and compare modern Tesla's to those cars is ludicrous. Nissan had been making cars since before WWII, in various different namesakes. They restarted at the end of WWII.
By the time they hit in the 70's they were already a 18-20 year old modern car company.
Tesla has been around what 7-8 years in very limited uber expensive production.
Hell the first Tesla was basically a Lotus Exige with electric motors slapped into it.
The Model S is the first all Tesla car the company has built.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by zerodameaon

You are not their target market anyways. Their target market is lawyers making 100+ grand a year who also have a few other cars like a 911. A few people at my work own them, not a single problem from either, but if one did he would just come in in his Carrera 4s while Tesla towed his car from his house to get fixed.

I'm exactly their target market. I'm just not a lawyer and have 3 kids instead of a 911. My practical/conservative side doesn't allow me to even think about Tesla though.

[zerodameaon]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

You really don't know or don't do your research thoroughly? Blind assumptions?

Outside of the fact that Nissan really did not have their water drain tech down in the 70's those old Datsuns were actually extremely reliable cars. It pretty much built Nissan and made them.

This! Datsun gets a bad rep from the muscle guys of the era who were dealing with their own reliability issues.

Originally Posted by exitspeed

I'm exactly their target market.

But you are not, people that buy these cars go in knowing there are problems, and the lengths that Tesla will go to make it right. Your unwillingness to help them learn and expand makes you out of their target market.