Donald Trump For President

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

The wall isn't going to stop anyone.



Everyone has already stated this.

"everyone" that supports open boarders....



QUOTE=gbaby2089;6319737]You say the borders are wide open, I remind you of the tons of government employees & crazy racists roaming the border with guns to 'protect the borders' (their claim, not mine).

You claim those are not enough.[/QUOTE]

Then how did we get 20 - 30 million illegal aliens in this country?


Also, nice calling ICE and the FBP "crazy racists". When in doubt scream racist, Facist, sexist, etc...

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

Dude you're not smart enough to grasp logic of any kind. Just stop while you're behind, the gap isn't going to close.

Grasping at what? You gave up any ground to make an argument with when you admitted you are for open boarders.

You are now parroting thr typic NPC Liberal Rethoric.

Racists!
Climate Change!
Nazis!!!
Crazy Gun Owners!!!
Trump Is Literally Hitler!!

Come on, just complete the circle with some howels of abortion and white privlage. You like getting off on that shit in New York and Virginia?


Is this you?




Cause I sure feel like Tucker talking to you about this.

[spooled240]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

No.

I like some of 21 Savage's music.

I like contributions to this country that other people who have come to this country illegally have made.

They don't have a problem with me, I don't have a problem with them.

I like some of 21 Savage's music also.


But since we are looking at illegal immigration through a microscope, let's look at some of the negative contributions to this country that other people who have come to this country illegally have made. We can start with these:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...er/2426883002/


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ay/1050186002/

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

You have not answered the question at all apart from random images.

Also, if you consider the DEA and the Fence Act "biased sources", then you have a very basic or lack of understanding what are FACTUAL sources of information.......

Good luck to you both.......

The images were used to disprove your claims that no one and no drugs ever cross through unprotected parts of the border.


I'll answer your question again: Walls are a form of border security used by multiple countries around the world since the beginning of history. If they weren't used for border security then why are they built on and along borders? For aesthetics? lol


And those sources were legitimate, however they also disproved your claim that drugs don't enter through the SWB which is where you backpedalled and said some of the drugs were originally from China entering through the SWB.


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Remember the Honduran caravan? If they were seeking asylum, why did they insist on throwing rocks over the border when they were met with BP agents and a WALL? That's not the universal sign of I NEED HELP!

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

Coooooool anecdotal evidence. Want me to just post the links that show illegal immigrants commit less crime than the general population? You know, empirical data trumps anecdotal links. Should I post links to the huge number of serial killers, rapists, terrorists, school shooters that were born here, to parents that were born here too?



Turn off the fox news bro.

Can we dissect that claim by racial group too?

Oh no! RACISM!!!

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

Coooooool anecdotal evidence. Want me to just post the links that show illegal immigrants commit less crime than the general population? You know, empirical data trumps anecdotal links. Should I post links to the huge number of serial killers, rapists, terrorists, school shooters that were born here, to parents that were born here too?



Turn off the fox news bro.

Also, this goes back to my statement about fire arms.

You want to ban black rifles of death, which in 2016 amounted to 374 murders.

Knives killed 1,604 people, 4 times as many.

Legalize SBRs bitch.



And if I want to go all rhetoric about it, almost 700,000 kids each year are killed by forceps and vaccums... So where's your human tradgity now?

[spooled240]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

Coooooool anecdotal evidence. Want me to just post the links that show illegal immigrants commit less crime than the general population? You know, empirical data trumps anecdotal links. Should I post links to the huge number of serial killers, rapists, terrorists, school shooters that were born here, to parents that were born here too?

Turn off the fox news bro.

It's not any more anecdotal than your 21 Savage reference. Turn off the MTV bro.


Go ahead and macro it out if you'd like. I'm still waiting for a good enough reason to completely ignore immigration policies.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.3fca66c36aea



21 Savage was a joke but a fair starting point. Immigrants contribute positively to the lives of us all, whether seen or unseen.



I'm not looking to completely ignore immigration policies, I understand for much of the country that's an automatic no bc they hate immigrants, but not building a wall & abolishing ICE would hurt no one other than ICE employees and the companies Trump has probably already promised contracts to.

Wow.


Just.


Wow.


Next up, let's abolish airport security and local police.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by spooled240

It's not any more anecdotal than your 21 Savage reference. Turn off the MTV bro.


Go ahead and macro it out if you'd like. I'm still waiting for a good enough reason to completely ignore immigration policies.

[spooled240]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.3fca66c36aea

21 Savage was a joke but a fair starting point. Immigrants contribute positively to the lives of us all, whether seen or unseen.

I'm not looking to completely ignore immigration policies, I understand for much of the country that's an automatic no bc they hate immigrants, but not building a wall & abolishing ICE would hurt no one other than ICE employees and the companies Trump has probably already promised contracts to.

WUT. Not everyone who believes our borders should be protected hates immigrants. I mentioned this before, but my mother and my fiancée's parents are immigrants. I don't hate them. They all came in legally, they are Americans and I have zero problems with that.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[spooled240]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

The colonists didn't come here legally.

How would they have come here legally? I'm curious.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

The colonists didn't come here legally.

America is a country of illegal immigrants.

1. Please post a link to the Pre-Columbus immigration laws of North America

2. Do you think thr Mohicans had an argument about "oh let them it, they are just fleeing religious persecution, many contribute a lot."

3. Europens didn't flee 3rd world nations to. More developed ones in hopes of receiving welfair. They left the devoped world for an undeveloped one and built a better nation.

4. Even 2nd and 3rd Wave American immigrants continued that trend pushing out west of the east coast.

5. Why do you keep avoiding #MMGA #MakeMexicoGreatAlready? Doesn't Mexico deserve to be a great nation?

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by spooled240

How would they have come here legally? I'm curious.

He is unable to critically think that far ahead. Common sociliast symptom.

[RalliartRsX]

Corbic fun fact
- Melania violated immigration law by obtaining a h1b visa and engaging in work....which is one article as mentioned as being considered illegal immigration
- the workers for trumps golf course are illegal immigrants
- trumps grandfather deported from his own country under illegal pretense

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...B_iZh5&ampcf=1

So yeah.

[dbeiler]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

Coooooool anecdotal evidence. Want me to just post the links that show illegal immigrants commit less crime than the general population?

I don't understand how this could ever be used as a logical point in an argument. A person residing in this country illegally is committing a crime every second of their time in it. You LITERALLY CANNOT commit crime at a higher rate.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

Corbic fun fact
- Melania violated immigration law by obtaining a h1b visa and engaging in work....which is one article as mentioned as being considered illegal immigration
- the workers for trumps golf course are illegal immigrants
- trumps grandfather deported from his own country under illegal pretense

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...B_iZh5&ampcf=1

So yeah.

Relevance?

Are you seriously saying Trump personally overseas and in interviews workers at a golf course his billion dollar industry owns?


I've bought chinese for and tacos from illegal aliens.... What now?

[Corbic]

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

Derp Derp Derp.

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"America Will Never Be A Socialist Country"

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

Holy shit you have meme brain.

I sincerely feel bad for you & any family you may have.

[R3b]

Whats with these shitpost of pictures?? This is something i'd expect off my facebook by some boomer with some random gripe with millennials. Look I get the whole "left cant meme" but this is just hilarious low quality.

Lets also ignore the fact you do exactly as what you describe others as doing and any sort of civil reply is backed with "WRONG WRONG WRONG" and you take everything so literal when it isnt that deep.

Also how many times you arguments are backed by appeal of ignorance (saying your position is true because it hasnt been proven other wise) and arguing with half truths and hasty generalization.

Originally Posted by dbeiler

I don't understand how this could ever be used as a logical point in an argument. A person residing in this country illegally is committing a crime every second of their time in it. You LITERALLY CANNOT commit crime at a higher rate.

Jesus christ yall act like these people are walking into your homes and stealing everything when in reality dont affect you one bit. It is literally impossible to tell an immigrant is legal, in the process or illegal unless you physically ask them.

This whole immigrant scare that they bad people is just as wack as the news reporting about the whole unsafe printer thing and the hacker printed sheets saying subscribe to pewdiepie on youtube. Playing all these points, music etc making it come off as murder. When in reality isnt that deep or morally bad to have the dude thrown in jail off a stupid meme. Same as that Countdankla guy being thrown away for teaching his dog to sieg Heil.

Im all for legal immigration and me personally the illegals/immigrants here are generally better for this country than most Americans as far as social credit goes. If we had what the EU is going on as far as migrant crisis like France and Germany then i'd say close the boarders.

[deolio]

corbic is too busy floating around on his ego cloud to really listen to anything anyone has to say or cary on a conversation without spinning it fit his argument. he is the ideal trump supporter. eager to be the TOOL dividing the country, but too blind to realize it.

don't feed trolls people, this is internet 101.

[R3b]

Originally Posted by deolio

corbic is too busy floating around on his ego cloud to really listen to anything anyone has to say or cary on a conversation without spinning it fit his argument. he is the ideal trump supporter. eager to be the TOOL dividing the country, but too blind to realize it.

don't feed trolls people, this is internet 101.

This is why im not a part of it, my stance on politics in my opinion is fairly neutral. I lean more more left but at least I see the bullshit that goes on with the party same as the right. Really both are the same shit. Like I see his pov along with others but holy fuck. The same generic bullshit hes calling gabby and rail about following the same NPC rhetoric is the same bullshit he spews from the other hard right republicans such as bearing or whatever "alt" political party is on youtube. All those talk pieces were cool when the elections where going on but really there only so much to talk about without having to rinse/repeat what is being said. Plus theyre preaching to the crowd and hearing what they want to hear.

Whole point of arguing is not to be right but get the opposition to agree or change position.

This whole thread is like a debate of if the earth is flat or not or if we landed on the moon. Its just a circle argument where everyone thinks there right with the other side calling the one crazy. Its really moot at the end of day if its not civil and dont have an open discussion about ideas WHILE presenting them in a clear/informative way without emotions.

[Corbic]

Too both ya'll...

Are you sincerely wanting a discussion on illegal immigration? It sure does not appear so for either of your posts.

I've repeatedly made solid factual based arguments, but then Gabby and Ralli immediately throw out some stupid quip about Illegals at a Golf course or Mexico paying for the wall.

Nothing but spectical and diversion from the actual topic. Gabby even admitted he's all for open borders... So why would I believe a word he says about the wall? If he really thinks a wall won't work, then why not support it since he's goal is for more Mexicans.

He also supports fighting climate change, but then refused to acknowledge or discuss the conundrum that is bringing hundreds of millions of people into the first world.

So the reality is, ya'll would bitch about anything Trump does not matter what it is and no amount of facts, evidence or logic will change your minds.

The fact that you would frame the argument "oh noo afraid of scary illegals" really shows utter ignorance of the actual issues and inability to separate the individual antedotics from the real problem.