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evanl85 · 11-24-2004, 04:47 PM

Hi, I recently bought a '93 240sx SE coupe, had right under 93k on the clock. The lady who had it took care of it, I have most of the oil change/maintence records. It's a really clean car, minus a dent on the exterior. I got a pretty good deal on the car, but now I'm debating whether or not to keep it. I bought it because I crashed my '04 RSX, and figured it was totalled...well it isn't, and it'll be fixed next week. It didn't even have frame damage, I guess I got lucky? Anyway, my options are keep that, keep making payments, or sell it and save up for a 350z while driving the 240sx.

Anyyyway, what I'm asking is, how long should the 240 be good for? I know the engines are pretty solid, but what about the auto transmissions? I ask about the transmission, because I figure that would be the first thing to go, and I know nothing about automatics, I'm used to driving a stick. It shifts pretty well...though not as smooth as stick (w/ an experienced driver). The fluid level is fine, and the fluid seems fresh/red/doesn't smell bad yet. Can I expect at least 150k out of the tranny before it goes? Sorry for the long story, Thanks in advance.

-Evan

old_s13 · 11-24-2004, 05:31 PM

i drove the living daylights of my auto, it was the original one that came with the car (1 owner and had all records, so i know for sure that it was original). anyway, from 68k to 168k, i drove that auto to the ground. it lasted for 6-7 years in my hands before it started to slip, but still it was durable and once warmed up it was okay.

key thing is to make sure to warm it up gently.. meaning, dont floor the car when its cold, give it a bit of time before you start hammering the car. you can feel when an auto transmission is cold and when its warmed up to temp. do that and it will last a very long time.

then, swap the bitch.

**ThatGuy** · 11-24-2004, 05:34 PM

134K and my auto tranny SUCKS!! At the top of first it slips for a good 1500rpms until droppping into 2nd and nearly bogging at certain speeds. Now as long as the car isn't beat on, it drives fine. But where is the fun on that? I'll be putting in the 5-speed soon.

evanl85 · 11-24-2004, 05:43 PM

134k? Well, if I make it that far without any problems I'd still be happy. I'm just trying to get about 2-3 years of use out of the car.

**ThatGuy** · 11-24-2004, 05:47 PM

It's been acting like this for the last 3 years. This is just the first time I have the money and ability to swap the transmissions. You should be ok. Good luck!

Salty_X · 11-24-2004, 07:04 PM

152k and counting... it'll probably come out over the winter though, just because I hate it.

evanl85 · 11-24-2004, 08:09 PM

^The 240 or just the automatic ? Heh

***S14DB*** · 11-24-2004, 08:21 PM

They will last forever if you keep them bathed in fresh Nissan-matic Fluid.

evanl85 · 11-24-2004, 08:51 PM

How often would you recomend changing the fluid? The fluid in there may be 40k miles old..but it looks fresh.

IvanAtSPRacing · 11-24-2004, 08:57 PM

mine has 227,000 miles on it... but reverse is gone... The new trans is built and sitting at the shop waiting for the car to come out of paint to get put in...

***S14DB*** · 11-24-2004, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evanl85

How often would you recomend changing the fluid? The fluid in there may be 40k miles old..but it looks fresh.

Aslong as It's a nice red color and the level is good you are fine. If it's pink or clear it's time to change. If it's black/brown, it's too late and you have damaged some of the clutch packs. Still need to change it but the damage is done.

Making sure you have the right amount of fluid(Idle in 'N') is the most important part. Nissan Trannys tend to shift like shit if they don't get their Nissan-Matic. They are fussy like babies.

roast · 11-24-2004, 10:27 PM

192K and still strong.

I'm putting in the 5spd over the winter... :P

**Phlip** · 11-24-2004, 10:42 PM

Start amassing the parts for a 5-speed swap now, then drive it til the tranny goes, especially if it is in good enough workable shape... THEN swap to 5-speed

240silvia · 11-24-2004, 11:09 PM

Sawp that ish.... auto is NO fun!

***S14DB*** · 11-24-2004, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 240silvia

Sawp that ish.... auto is NO fun!

Except in traffic...

evanl85 · 11-25-2004, 12:19 AM

I don't really plan on doing a swap...I'm going to swap to a 350z

Salty_X · 11-25-2004, 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evanl85

^The 240 or just the automatic ? Heh

Nah just the automatic, I'll keep the 240 until it catches fire.

nightwalker · 11-25-2004, 12:25 AM

what's auto?

driftyour40 · 11-25-2004, 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S14DB

Except in traffic...

I still really wouldn't call it "fun" in traffic, just less irritating. lol.

EDIT: to add something halfway useful to this thread, I used to have an auto. I had it from 90k to 170k and I did everything you’re "no supposed to" to it and it took it. Luckily it got rear ended before I had to pay for any of my mistreatment. One thing I did do though was change the fluid every 15k, so I kinda took care of it.

old_s13 · 11-25-2004, 02:50 AM

fact: the auto transmission will handle ANYTHING you dish at it, as long as the power is stock (not turbo). you can shift through the gears and beat the living daylights out of it, just maintain the fluid and warm the car up and you're okay.

suggestion: locate parts for auto -> manual swap now, that way if and when it does leave you, you can swap with ease and bam, ready to go.

fact: auto or stick, you can still learn to be a good driver regardless of the transmission.

fact: most of the people on here who are "pro-stick" are pretty shitty stick drivers. i like stick, i dont necessarily dislike auto but i know the advantages and disadvantages. i know that i learned a lot with auto, and i know that now that i am stick.. i got to focus on a different dynamic of driving. my cousin who has been driving stick much longer than me, cannot even compete with my stick skills now.. he cant heel/toe, he cant rev-match as well, he's just crappier.

so, regardless of what you have.. just focus on being a better driver. its not the parts or the mods, its the driver that should be constantly worked on and upgraded.

driftyour40 · 11-25-2004, 04:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by old_s13

so, regardless of what you have.. just focus on being a better driver. its not the parts or the mods, its the driver that should be constantly worked on and upgraded.

Well said man.

evanl85 · 11-25-2004, 10:09 AM

Thanks for the replies, they have been very helpful. I should probably change my tranny fluid in a while just to be safe, does anyone know how much the dealership charges for this? It appears I definitely want to use Nissan's fluid, and I don't have anywhere to change it myself.

***S14DB*** · 11-25-2004, 06:11 PM

$120-$140 for the full power flush.

sciamop · 11-26-2004, 08:37 AM

1990 Coupe: After slipping a little bit (park to drive) for 10,000 miles, my auto shat out at 134K miles. The scary thing is that it had been replaced before that (salvage yard writing on it).

1993 Coupe: When I pulled the blown engine/ good trans, the rebuilt transmission had writing inside the bellhousing that said "8/03". It had 144K miles on the body when I got it in 4/04. So it probably lasted to 130K miles too.

As others have noted, it's all maintenance. If the car wasn't/isn't neglected, the drivetrain will probably last another 200K miles.

The auto transmission sucks for driving enjoyment though. It's not particularly aggressive with upshifts or downshifts -- unless you take active control, it's just 'there'. Judging by his previous posts on spirited driving, I imagine old_s13 slapped the shifter from 1-2-D so much his right wrist/hand developed RSI.

Todd
90 Coupe (KA24DE automatic)
93 Coupe (auto-to-5spd)

roast · 11-26-2004, 10:11 AM

I agree: get all the 5spd parts together and then when opportunity knocks slap it in there!

P.S. - I've got all the parts already I'm just wating for a block of time to free up in order to do the work...

old_s13 · 11-26-2004, 07:00 PM

i shifted throughout the gears and after 5-6 years, the shifter looked worn and glossy.. kinda funny. the only downside to the auto besides being a shitty auto, is that you end up keeping your revs up most of the time and drive like a maniac in order to keep the power up. you burn lots of gas but shit, i still managed to have fun. i say throw on some wide and sticky tires and ride the auto till it dies.. you can have fun with lots of traction

**mrmephistopheles** · 11-26-2004, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by old_s13

you burn lots of gas but shit, i still managed to have fun.

I remember you whining about not getting more than 15mpg...
lol

Zen S14 · 11-26-2004, 09:08 PM

The auto tranny in my s14 has held up quite well. At 150K with one year on turbo motor daily driven with 20 drag races and more than 100 runs its just fine. I did have to unplug the resister to get the car to shift quickly under boost though. I think the auto tranny, if the fluids are taken care of and not heavily abused will last.

MakotoS13 · 11-26-2004, 09:29 PM

auto's have their place... in trucks. most of us that actually tinker with our own cars are motorsport whores so the auto is like heresy. i'm buying a truck next year and it'll be an auto cause long trips, late nights, and traffic make the 5spd eat arse.

11-24-2004, 04:47 PM	#1
evanl85 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Va Posts: 182 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	How long do the automatic trannys last? Hi, I recently bought a '93 240sx SE coupe, had right under 93k on the clock. The lady who had it took care of it, I have most of the oil change/maintence records. It's a really clean car, minus a dent on the exterior. I got a pretty good deal on the car, but now I'm debating whether or not to keep it. I bought it because I crashed my '04 RSX, and figured it was totalled...well it isn't, and it'll be fixed next week. It didn't even have frame damage, I guess I got lucky? Anyway, my options are keep that, keep making payments, or sell it and save up for a 350z while driving the 240sx. Anyyyway, what I'm asking is, how long should the 240 be good for? I know the engines are pretty solid, but what about the auto transmissions? I ask about the transmission, because I figure that would be the first thing to go, and I know nothing about automatics, I'm used to driving a stick. It shifts pretty well...though not as smooth as stick (w/ an experienced driver). The fluid level is fine, and the fluid seems fresh/red/doesn't smell bad yet. Can I expect at least 150k out of the tranny before it goes? Sorry for the long story, Thanks in advance. -Evan

11-24-2004, 05:34 PM	#3
ThatGuy Admin Asshole Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Retired Age: 44 Posts: 20,394 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: ThatGuy Feedback Score: 0 reviews	134K and my auto tranny SUCKS!! At the top of first it slips for a good 1500rpms until droppping into 2nd and nearly bogging at certain speeds. Now as long as the car isn't beat on, it drives fine. But where is the fun on that? I'll be putting in the 5-speed soon. __________________ "Speak softly,..." -Pres. Teddy Roosevelt "Be polite, be professional, ..." -Gen. James Mattis

11-24-2004, 05:47 PM	#5
ThatGuy Admin Asshole Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Retired Age: 44 Posts: 20,394 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: ThatGuy Feedback Score: 0 reviews	It's been acting like this for the last 3 years. This is just the first time I have the money and ability to swap the transmissions. You should be ok. Good luck! __________________ "Speak softly,..." -Pres. Teddy Roosevelt "Be polite, be professional, ..." -Gen. James Mattis

11-24-2004, 07:04 PM	#6
Salty_X Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Modesto Posts: 1,221 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	152k and counting... it'll probably come out over the winter though, just because I hate it. __________________

11-24-2004, 08:21 PM	#8
*S14DB* AFC #1 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 昨晩あなたのお母さんの家 Posts: 20,181 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	They will last forever if you keep them bathed in fresh Nissan-matic Fluid. __________________ Comments should be taken as Opinions not as Statements of Fact

11-24-2004, 05:31 PM	#2
old_s13 BANNED Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Los Angeles, CA. Posts: 2,824 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i drove the living daylights of my auto, it was the original one that came with the car (1 owner and had all records, so i know for sure that it was original). anyway, from 68k to 168k, i drove that auto to the ground. it lasted for 6-7 years in my hands before it started to slip, but still it was durable and once warmed up it was okay. key thing is to make sure to warm it up gently.. meaning, dont floor the car when its cold, give it a bit of time before you start hammering the car. you can feel when an auto transmission is cold and when its warmed up to temp. do that and it will last a very long time. then, swap the bitch.

11-24-2004, 05:43 PM	#4
evanl85 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Va Posts: 182 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	134k? Well, if I make it that far without any problems I'd still be happy. I'm just trying to get about 2-3 years of use out of the car.

11-24-2004, 08:09 PM	#7
evanl85 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Va Posts: 182 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^The 240 or just the automatic ? Heh

11-24-2004, 08:51 PM	#9
evanl85 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Va Posts: 182 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	How often would you recomend changing the fluid? The fluid in there may be 40k miles old..but it looks fresh.

11-24-2004, 08:57 PM	#10
IvanAtSPRacing Leaky Injector Join Date: May 2004 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 131 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	mine has 227,000 miles on it... but reverse is gone... The new trans is built and sitting at the shop waiting for the car to come out of paint to get put in... __________________ Ivan www.PhatKA-T.com www.sound-performance.com

11-24-2004, 10:27 PM	#12
roast Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 104 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	192K and still strong. I'm putting in the 5spd over the winter... :P __________________ Richard Experience is the name every one gives to their mistakes.

11-24-2004, 10:42 PM	#13
Phlip Yes, I look like that Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In my supervillain's lair Posts: 27,976 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: Phlip Feedback Score: 19 reviews	Start amassing the parts for a 5-speed swap now, then drive it til the tranny goes, especially if it is in good enough workable shape... THEN swap to 5-speed __________________ Weirdo And I write too!

11-24-2004, 11:09 PM	#14
240silvia Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Wilmington NC Age: 39 Posts: 2,060 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Sawp that ish.... auto is NO fun!

11-25-2004, 12:19 AM	#16
evanl85 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Va Posts: 182 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I don't really plan on doing a swap...I'm going to swap to a 350z

11-25-2004, 12:25 AM	#18
nightwalker Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bay area Age: 45 Posts: 2,146 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	what's auto? __________________ In life, we often cast the line of hope fishing for the best possible opportunity. Sometimes with enough effort, the things we catch are nothing short of amazing.

11-25-2004, 02:50 AM	#20
old_s13 BANNED Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Los Angeles, CA. Posts: 2,824 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	fact: the auto transmission will handle ANYTHING you dish at it, as long as the power is stock (not turbo). you can shift through the gears and beat the living daylights out of it, just maintain the fluid and warm the car up and you're okay. suggestion: locate parts for auto -> manual swap now, that way if and when it does leave you, you can swap with ease and bam, ready to go. fact: auto or stick, you can still learn to be a good driver regardless of the transmission. fact: most of the people on here who are "pro-stick" are pretty shitty stick drivers. i like stick, i dont necessarily dislike auto but i know the advantages and disadvantages. i know that i learned a lot with auto, and i know that now that i am stick.. i got to focus on a different dynamic of driving. my cousin who has been driving stick much longer than me, cannot even compete with my stick skills now.. he cant heel/toe, he cant rev-match as well, he's just crappier. so, regardless of what you have.. just focus on being a better driver. its not the parts or the mods, its the driver that should be constantly worked on and upgraded.

11-25-2004, 10:09 AM	#22
evanl85 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Va Posts: 182 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Thanks for the replies, they have been very helpful. I should probably change my tranny fluid in a while just to be safe, does anyone know how much the dealership charges for this? It appears I definitely want to use Nissan's fluid, and I don't have anywhere to change it myself.

11-25-2004, 06:11 PM	#23
*S14DB* AFC #1 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 昨晩あなたのお母さんの家 Posts: 20,181 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	$120-$140 for the full power flush. __________________ Comments should be taken as Opinions not as Statements of Fact

11-26-2004, 08:37 AM	#24
sciamop Zilvia Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Posts: 217 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	1990 Coupe: After slipping a little bit (park to drive) for 10,000 miles, my auto shat out at 134K miles. The scary thing is that it had been replaced before that (salvage yard writing on it). 1993 Coupe: When I pulled the blown engine/ good trans, the rebuilt transmission had writing inside the bellhousing that said "8/03". It had 144K miles on the body when I got it in 4/04. So it probably lasted to 130K miles too. As others have noted, it's all maintenance. If the car wasn't/isn't neglected, the drivetrain will probably last another 200K miles. The auto transmission sucks for driving enjoyment though. It's not particularly aggressive with upshifts or downshifts -- unless you take active control, it's just 'there'. Judging by his previous posts on spirited driving, I imagine old_s13 slapped the shifter from 1-2-D so much his right wrist/hand developed RSI. Todd 90 Coupe (KA24DE automatic) 93 Coupe (auto-to-5spd)

11-26-2004, 10:11 AM	#25
roast Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 104 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I agree: get all the 5spd parts together and then when opportunity knocks slap it in there! P.S. - I've got all the parts already I'm just wating for a block of time to free up in order to do the work... __________________ Richard Experience is the name every one gives to their mistakes.

11-26-2004, 07:00 PM	#26
old_s13 BANNED Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Los Angeles, CA. Posts: 2,824 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i shifted throughout the gears and after 5-6 years, the shifter looked worn and glossy.. kinda funny. the only downside to the auto besides being a shitty auto, is that you end up keeping your revs up most of the time and drive like a maniac in order to keep the power up. you burn lots of gas but shit, i still managed to have fun. i say throw on some wide and sticky tires and ride the auto till it dies.. you can have fun with lots of traction

11-26-2004, 09:08 PM	#28
Zen S14 Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Philadelphia USA Age: 47 Posts: 240 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	The auto tranny in my s14 has held up quite well. At 150K with one year on turbo motor daily driven with 20 drag races and more than 100 runs its just fine. I did have to unplug the resister to get the car to shift quickly under boost though. I think the auto tranny, if the fluids are taken care of and not heavily abused will last.

11-26-2004, 09:29 PM	#29
MakotoS13 BANNED Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Texas Age: 41 Posts: 4,205 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	auto's have their place... in trucks. most of us that actually tinker with our own cars are motorsport whores so the auto is like heresy. i'm buying a truck next year and it'll be an auto cause long trips, late nights, and traffic make the 5spd eat arse.