The 90's were the height of Import Performance...what the hell happened?

[ixfxi]

Originally Posted by turboshoebox

Why is being odb II such a big deal?

Originally Posted by Matej

Until you have to plug it in to pass an annual/biennial inspection in various states/counties.

Originally Posted by turboshoebox

obd1 or 2 it doesnt matter. SR20 Swap is illegal in california.

you guys are missing the point. visual aside, an OBD1 car will actually pass smog. My SR did and with flying colors. an OBD2 car requires being connected, and OBD2 cars self-check to make sure you pass all the monitors. this is an issue if you want to eliminate smog devices that do little for smog and a lot for complicating our lives. for example, a catalytic converter is a very useful device in reducing smog. a charcoal canister and the EGR valve are in my opinion, pretty useless.

Originally Posted by Corbic

Then move.

Some States, like California, are continuing to talk about outright removing pre-OBD II cars from registration and even using another "cash for clunckers" deal.

OBD-2 is great because you can actually know when something has gone astray and what it is.

Modern car ECUs are actually proficient at running cars and can be tuned by their OBD port unlike old garbage like the 240 and its compatriots.

that wont happen. there are plenty of cars that are pre-obd ONE driving around... so good luck with that.

anyway, i like the data and interface part of OBD2 for ME. I dont like it when it comes to passing smog, but hey... it is what it is.

you talk about moving, why dont you move? some parts of california suck, but its not as simple as you make it seem. when you are born and raised somewhere, its not easy to tell your friends and family "hi, i am moving.. nice knowing you, good luck with the rest of your life, i'll be sure to skype and occasionally visit in case I want to be reminded what fucked up traffic is like after leaving LAX and hopping on the 405 freeway at 4PM"

remember, just because your state does not have a smog program, it doesnt mean that it cannot have a smog program.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by ixfxi

you guys are missing the point. visual aside, an OBD1 car will actually pass smog. My SR did and with flying colors..

But it still fails visual, it's a moot point.

Originally Posted by ixfxi

an OBD2 car requires being connected, and OBD2 cars self-check to make sure you pass all the monitors. this is an issue if you want to eliminate smog devices that do little for smog and a lot for complicating our lives. for example, a catalytic converter is a very useful device in reducing smog. a charcoal canister and the EGR valve are in my opinion, pretty useless.

Lots of places are wanting to move away from the sniffer all together, a quick OBD-2 plug and go. Can't do that if Pre-OBD-2 cars are still out and about. I'd also imagine that long term such a system could be fooled much easier.

EGR system ties directly into tailpipe emissions are you are forcing the engine to consume your own exhaust. It also heats up intake temps to cause hotter burns which means less unburnt fuel.

Charcoal traps all the vapor emissions from your gas tank. It either vents to air (and pollutes) or your tank is sealed and explodes from pressure in extreme heat.

Originally Posted by ixfxi

that wont happen. there are plenty of cars that are pre-obd ONE driving around... so good luck with that.

Whether it happens or not is irrelevant. What matters is people want it to happen. California has a smog problem because of the geography, China and the fact that old cars don't rot away like they do in the Midwest and East.

Insurance companies also want old shit boxes to go away. The least safest car today is safer than the safest car from 15 years ago.

Insurance companies are also pushing hard for those OBD-2 based capture devices to track your habits. Legislators also want to use such devices to track your mileage and use that to tax you instead of relying on gas sales.

Law enforcement would LOVE to mail you a ticket based on your driving habits every-time you get side ways, brake hard or do a pull.

Originally Posted by ixfxi

you talk about moving, why dont you move?

Moved 7 times in my life. Lived in California, South East, North East, Midwest and Europe. I have friends and family all over the country and world.

Make new ones.

My point is, don't be crying your eyes out about issues that are self inflected. Great, SoCal had draconian emission laws, abusive cops, illegal aliens, insane taxes and property that only a Chinese investor can afford.

Rather then crying about how you can't swap engines and you hate OBD2.... Move.


Moving to hard? Not worth it? Then stop crying about your self-induced suffering.

[TougeSR20Kid]

So I'm just gonna throw this out there. There's a lot of counties and areas in California that you don't need to smog every 2 years. I had my Rb s13 registered at my sister's house in Humboldt for like 4 years and never had an issue. I mean sure it looks goofy as shit when I get pulled over in the bay area with a car registered In Humboldt and a drivers License that says I live in San Diego. But as long as you're not a douche to the cop they typically won't care.

My recommendation to anyone that has a modified car in Cali would be get a P.O. Box or make friends with someone in these areas and just register your shit there. Definitely beats having to pay someone off every two years. And just don't drive like a jackass so you won't get pulled over. But if you have a swapped car chances are you probably already do that

[ixfxi]

Corbic, you have all the answers... all bow down to corbic and his infinite mighty wisdom

There are pros and cons to everything.

Want to live in SoCal, where the beach and the canyons are 5 minutes apart? Then you gotta deal with traffic, strict smog laws, the Kardashians, and ghey ass Ryan Seacrest.

Want to live in Arkansas where there are no smog laws and a night out on the town is taking your chick out to Olive Garden, Walmart, and then Krispe Kreme? Well then, dont bitch and whine that the selection of females sucks and that you hooked up with your sister (again)..

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by ixfxi

Corbic, you have all the answers... all bow down to corbic and his infinite mighty wisdom

Fucking finally, this guy gets it.

Originally Posted by ixfxi

There are pros and cons to everything.

Want to live in SoCal, where the beach and the canyons are 5 minutes apart? Then you gotta deal with traffic, strict smog laws, the Kardashians, and ghey ass Ryan Seacrest.

Want to live in Arkansas where there are no smog laws and a night out on the town is taking your chick out to Olive Garden, Walmart, and then Krispe Kreme? Well then, dont bitch and whine that the selection of females sucks and that you hooked up with your sister (again)..

Again, this goes without say....

Except some of your stereotyping. But if someone in Ak. was crying about the lack of coastline, porn stars and universal studios..... I'd tell them to move.

Also the "Hot Girl" line gets old. Problem is when guys that are 5's think they can get girls that are 9's if they move to the big city. (Since there are so many 9's)

Reality is there are also more guys that are 9's and you'll still be stuck chasing 4's.

More People, More Options, More Competition.

[tlieberman240]

Originally Posted by ixfxi

Want to live in SoCal, where the beach and the canyons are 5 minutes apart? Then you gotta deal with traffic, strict smog laws, the Kardashians, and ghey ass Ryan Seacrest.

Want to live in Arkansas where there are no smog laws and a night out on the town is taking your chick out to Olive Garden, Walmart, and then Krispe Kreme? Well then, dont bitch and whine that the selection of females sucks and that you hooked up with your sister (again)..

LMAO So much truth in this statement. CA is rad, and it feels so good to be back, but it has its downsides when it comes to cost and population.

The state I just moved back from was garbage though. Some great people, but damn the town was so beat to hell. It was almost depressing. At the end of the day though, they don't have to do shit to register a car. No smog; no inspection; nothing. That's pretty cool.

But I'll take a state where there is far more opportunity over a state where I can just bypass emissions. #priorities

[Matej]

It is not that 90's cars were the height of performance, it is just that automotive technology was at a point that makes the cars easy and fun to mod, thus defining the tuner culture.
It was right when mechanical injection and inefficient single-cam motors disappeared and DOHC motors, electronic injection, and multi-link suspensions were in. Yet it was before cars became driving computers filled with sensors and various sensitive electronics.
You get a decade of semi-modern yet simple chassis and motors controlled by primitive electronics, allowing teenagers in the 2000s to transform their hand-me-down car into a formidable fun machine in their parents' garages through mods not much more complex than building LEGOs.

[ixfxi]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Also the "Hot Girl" line gets old. Problem is when guys that are 5's think they can get girls that are 9's if they move to the big city. (Since there are so many 9's) More People, More Options, More Competition.

What hot girl line?

Originally Posted by Matej

It is not that 90's cars were the height of performance, it is just that automotive technology was at a point that makes the cars easy and fun to mod, thus defining the tuner culture.

I just think that the reason most of us like our-generation cars is because we've gotten familiar enough with them that they easily make sense. Thats it. We're dinosaurs... and we're only getting older.

The older you get, the more set in your ways you get. Its as simple as that. I mean, look at Corbic for example.... he's 103 and a complete asshole. :-P

[RickBlaine]

What the heck happened to this thread?

I live in Chicago, and there are not too many rust-free examples of a 240sx. It may be a "secretary's car with a truck engine", but it is a fun car that is easy to work on. Every time I drive my 100% stock 240sx, I get stares, thumbs up, and a stoplight conversation.

I used to have another 90's car- a modified Twin Turbo Stealth- very reliable and very fast. On high-speed runs I regularly clocked 160mph- and I was still in 5th gear (out of 6).

But the 1st generation Mazda Miata is hands down the car to modify, drive, and track. It will make you a better driver at autocross. In the hands of a skilled driver- it will beat a newbie in a Corvette, Porsche, BMW, etc.

Because of my background- I am a regular invitee to Corvette, Porsche, Tesla, etc track days at the Autobahn Speedway in Joliet, IL. After driving these cars, let me tell you that the future is electric motors, not gas engines. The Tesla P85D in "insane mode" will easily give you whiplash if your head is not firmly against the headrest when you step on the accelerator (not gas) pedal.....no joke. It is "violent"- like getting rear-ended by a full-speed locomotive. Try that with a gas engine.

OK, enough posting. Gotta get back to my sound dampening and carpet replacement project on my '91 240sx....

[ixfxi]

^ elon musk in the house

[shawn1331]

I personally don't really like the look of many if any newer cars. But it's mostly due to alot of them looking so similar. I really like strange looking weird cars, not just 90's cars. Any era, anything kinda odd is cool to me.

With that said I'm not in here saying a silvia handles better than an R35..

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by shawn1331

. But it's mostly due to alot of them looking so similar.

I absolutely hate this statement.

Within any generation/decade cars tend to look similar.

It's called styling trends.

[shawn1331]

Originally Posted by Corbic

I absolutely hate this statement.

Within any generation/decade cars tend to look similar.

It's called styling trends.

True to an extent. the last few years there hasn't been any real oddballs aside from the newer electric/hybrid cars. Maybe a few others but I also don't loo for new cars bc they're out of my budget atm.

Back in the 70's and 80's there were a lot of really weird looking cars that didn't follow the styling guide. Sure alot looked the same, but a lot of cars were experiments and trying new things. Most of which failed, but it's cool to see them once in awhile.

Alot of theNew cars tend to have low rooflines and small side windows with swooping roofs like the Sonata. A few infinitis and acuras look like the same car etc.

You don't see especially weird cars being designed like you did in the 80's. Examples like gremlins, crx's, mr2's etc.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by shawn1331

You don't see especially weird cars being designed like you did in the 80's. Examples like gremlins, crx's, mr2's etc.

Yeah, sure, no.



How is a Soul, Volester, Juke, Mini, CRZ, or Boxster any less weird then those cars?

Originally Posted by shawn1331

Alot of theNew cars tend to have low rooflines and small side windows with swooping roofs like the Sonata.

Safety Bro.

Just like how 60's cars all had 7" sealed beams, 70's cars had chrome bumpers and 80's cars had massive rubber cushions.

High Belt Lines are designed to provide side impact protection. 4-door coupe styling is to make the cars appear sporty and improve aero dynamics.

Originally Posted by shawn1331

Maybe a few others but I also don't loo for new cars bc they're out of my budget atm.

This is the real answer to your problem.

I'd say we have more "niche" odd ball cars today than ever before.

Everything from the X6 to the Verenza to the Renegade and GTR.

[shawn1331]

I don't really think a juke is all that weird looking though. Aside from the kinda slightly odd headlights they're pretty similar to a sante fe, a tucson or cayenne kinda looks like a 4 door juke.

Kia soul looks like a cube, or an element.

Volester yes is a weird looking car i agree, which is neat. Dont like them but still like to see car manufacturers trying shit.

Minis have looked basically the same the entire run of there life. minor changes every generation but same basic idea.

CRZ sorta yeah, looks like a prius from the rear which is odd.

And boxsters I wouldnt say are exactly a unique car. Sure they are different then your average car but since introduced in the mid 90's look basically the same and similar to some euro roadsters like lotus'.

So to me the cars you named with the exception of 2 or 3 look similar to a few different models throughout other brands and have looked the same in some cases for 20 years.

Again, personal opinion which for whatever reason you seem to have a hard time grasping others.

Btw, what is a verenza? never heard of it and a quick search shows nothing. There is a Venza, which isn't unique looking either.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by shawn1331

I don't really think a juke is all that weird looking though. Aside from the kinda slightly odd headlights they're pretty similar to a sante fe, a tucson or cayenne kinda looks like a 4 door juke.

Juke has 4 doors, and a Caynne looks nothing like it. Juke is also a quarter the size of a Tuscan.

How good is your vision?

Originally Posted by shawn1331

Kia soul looks like a cube, or an element.

Not really but Ok. Cube is asymmetric with dash carpet, Element is plastic clad with suicide doors. That actually makes each pretty unique, or at least as unique a CRX or Gremlin was in its time.

Originally Posted by shawn1331

Minis have looked basically the same the entire run of there life. minor changes every generation but same basic idea.

So what? CRX barely changed over its 8 year span. The Mini is still a unique design that sets it apparent. That was your gripe, "new cars look the same, we don't have quirky unique designs today"

Originally Posted by shawn1331

And boxsters I wouldnt say are exactly a unique car. Sure they are different then your average car but since introduced in the mid 90's look basically the same and similar to some euro roadsters like lotus'.

Name me another mid-engine flat-6 sports car? You stated the MR2 as unique. It's not, it looks just like a Fiero*

Lotus looks nothing like a Boxster and it's not even a "real car", it's closer to a bare bones kit car with Juke styling. CRX looks like a Starlet or 323.

As I said, we have more niche and unique cars today than we did for decades.

Originally Posted by shawn1331

So to me the cars you named with the exception of 2 or 3 look similar to a few different models throughout other brands and have looked the same in some cases for 20 years. .

So you should totally be happy? That means the 90's never left us! It's 1995 still since nothing has changed.

Originally Posted by shawn1331

Again, personal opinion which for whatever reason you seem to have a hard time grasping others.

I have no problem with opinions. I have problems with bullshit. When you say the 80's rocked because we got the "unique cars" like the CRX and MR2 but then say a CRZ and a Boxster are run of the mill.

It's a consistency issue. As I said. I hate people saying "oh, cars today all look the same.... " that's a bullshit statement.

[shawn1331]

Originally Posted by Corbic

I have no problem with opinions. I have problems with bullshit. When you say the 80's rocked because we got the "unique cars" like the CRX and MR2 but then say a CRZ and a Boxster are run of the mill.

It's a consistency issue. As I said. I hate people saying "oh, cars today all look the same.... " that's a bullshit statement.

Lmfao alright pal.

My problem is when people who can't take others thoughts shove words down others throats that were not said. But hey, to each their own.

[irax]

Fuck me for not seeing this was an old thread...

[brndck]

Originally Posted by shawn1331

Lmfao alright pal.

My problem is when people who can't take others thoughts shove words down others throats that were not said. But hey, to each their own.

Originally Posted by irax

This thread is officially the worst thread on zilvia..... I can't believe I fell for the click bait title.

fucking graveyard threads. shit was stupid two years ago, its not any fresher now.

[irax]

Originally Posted by brndck

fucking graveyard threads. shit was stupid two years ago, its not any fresher now.

FUUUUUCk... why was it at the top of the page on the front page then HAHA fuck me man.. my bad

[BossHogg]

It wasn't just cars guys. Everything was better in the 90's. Music, nintendo, style, shoes, wheels, JGTC, MTV (early 90's), cartoons, cereal, toys etc. The only thing that sucked in the 90's...ironically....was our import crowd haha. FWD hondas and eclipse/talon lololololol waste. It wasn't until the 2000's that the rwd import crowd kind of came around on a mainstream level. Which as fanboy as the movement was, I believe, was a good thing. Which is one reason why I'm kind of glad about this 25 year law.......because we kind of get to relive the 90's, as adults. Instead of dreaming/reading/playing a video game. You can just buy the pile of shit now. Evo, impreza, skyline, silvia, 180sx, soarer, gloria, cedric, and whatever other odd little jdm car you could want. It's old, but new. It's almost like plugging in your old nintendo and going back and beating a game you never could as a kid. It's fun. But honestly, I wouldn't expect kids that were born in the 90's to even understand. You had to be a teen on up. But I love the 90's. I always say the 90's was our version of the 70's.

[OutlawLui]

Like reviving a dead cockroach

[brndck]

Originally Posted by BossHogg

.......because we kind of get to relive the 90's, as adults. Instead of dreaming/reading/playing a video game. It's old, but new. It's almost like plugging in your old nintendo and going back and beating a game you never could as a kid. It's fun. But honestly, I wouldn't expect kids that were born in the 90's to even understand. You had to be a teen on up. But I love the 90's. I always say the 90's was our version of the 70's.

i'll just be over here.....

http://www.theverge.com/2016/7/14/12...ed-price-games

[kashira kureijii]

This whole thread was just shoeboxes attempt at getting zilvia cred, little did he know, the way to get cred isnt praising 240"s , it is criticizing them. Just learn from the OG"s and talk about how much you hate 240"s and luv bimmers or mustangs, and youll get all the zilvia cred.


Also does that NES thing come with Earthbound? I never got to play earthbound, and it is quite famous


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[Corbic]

Originally Posted by BossHogg

I always say the 90's was our version of the 70's.

Except the 70's sucked compared to the 50's and 60's.

[Green Arrow]

The 50s were the pinnacle of sports car technology

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by Green Arrow

The 50s were the pinnacle of sports car technology

The 50's saw the rise of the modern sports car. It would have been an exciting time to see the just dramatic improvements year after year in cars.

We are in a similar time now. Hybrids, Electrics, Turbo-Everything and Muscle Cars making +700hp. 90's suck by comparison.

160hp B16 Swapped Civic is like today. Fighting V8's? Can't even fight minivans.

[OBEEWON]

90's women were better too.

[hanzbrady]

Originally Posted by OBEEWON

90's women were better too.

Kelly Kapowski was literally anything and everything I could ever want tbh

[Green Arrow]

I wish you had been in the fifties, all your knowledge could have propelled us into the 2000's instantly. But you'd be sore to find out it was mostly European cars that progressed in that era. No mustang to babble about and no corvette to attempt to compare it to. Also you'd have hard luck finding a stage for your spouts, much less anyone to hear them....long live corbic