Donald Trump For President

[kashira kureijii]

One thing I find funny is how everyone lately is all like " If you"re voting for Trump, just unfriend me right now! " *emotional pms related sobbing*

It's funny to watch how salty and serious everyone gets over what is basically just differences in bullshit sports teams. It's not like it matters or that anyone of them politicians will do anything that matters.

FB is filled with people who think their bullshit opinions are worth enough to get into huge arguments haha.

It happens a bunch in older people , and it's funny to see them argue in a technologically inept manner


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[KAT-PWR]

People that think like that just need to be eliminated from the gene pool

[Yardjass]

Originally Posted by kashira kureijii

One thing I find funny is how everyone lately is all like " If you"re voting for Trump, just unfriend me right now! " *emotional pms related sobbing*

It's funny to watch how salty and serious everyone gets over what is basically just differences in bullshit sports teams. It's not like it matters or that anyone of them politicians will do anything that matters.

FB is filled with people who think their bullshit opinions are worth enough to get into huge arguments haha.

It happens a bunch in older people , and it's funny to see them argue in a technologically inept manner


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Honestly, I'd be happy they're voting at all, even if it was for the other person. If everyone voted and was well informed, we wouldn't end up with any of the worthless candidates that keep getting put up.

But then again, we live in a day and age where people are more concerned about arguing about petty non-issue political distractions like who goes in what bathroom, who should have guns, and what gay people should be allowed to do, and on hating Cowboys fans because they're a Redskins fan. Meanwhile, our schools are lagging behind the rest of the first world because we're too stupid to fund them and set up proper curriculums, our roads and bridges are crumbling, our military isn't getting the modernization it needs, and our national debt is skyrocketing. People as a whole in this country are really, really fucking stupid and lazy, and it pisses me off as one of the ones who isn't and has to work double so someone else doesn't have to.

[rawgarage]

Damn bring this back

[Future240]

Yes please do. I would like to see what the Trump supporters think of him now.

[Cortius017]

Fuck Trump but more importantly FUCK HILLARY. Theyre both shit and have their downfalls but Hillary is way worse than Trump will ever be. Either way were all fucked.

[dudermagee]

all hail god emperor Trump!

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by Future240

Yes please do. I would like to see what the Trump supporters think of him now.

What did he do now? I stopped paying attention after it was clear that Bernie was screwed by the DNC...

Originally Posted by exitspeed

If someone else steps up to run as a third party that's more than likely who I'll vote for, even though I know they won't have a chance and a vote for that person is as good as a vote for Hilary.

Jill Stein is the only 3rd Party option right now. Most of Bernie's support has gone over to her as I understand it.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by Future240

Yes please do. I would like to see what the Trump supporters think of him now.

I don't think the supporters feel any different. He's doing the same things he's been doing since day 1. Saying things that are either not PC, sarcastic (the media and the anti Trumpers apparently don't understand sarcasm) and most of the time totally irrelevant.

And that's why they like him.

I'm still not a supporter and have been hoping for him to win me over over the last several months, but I'm still not on board. His economic and tax plan I agree with 100%. His edicate I disagree with 75%. If he could curb his brash comments and pull his campaign together I'd be on board. My prediction is though that it's not going to happen. I want to be proven wrong though.

If someone else steps up to run as a third party that's more than likely who I'll vote for, even though I know they won't have a chance and a vote for that person is as good as a vote for Hilary.

Fuck Hilary though. She's honestly one of the worst, most dishonest, disgusting human beings in politics. Anyone who defends her is lying to themselves and putting morals aside to advance their political party. But hey, that's what the Left does.

/rant

#notlookingforwardtonovember

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by simmode1

What did he do now? I stopped paying attention after it was clear that Bernie was screwed by the DNC...

Jill Stein is the only 3rd Party option right now. Most of Bernie's support has gone over to her as I understand it.

I'll never support a socialist.

Gary Johnson is a possibility, but I admittedly don't know much about him other than he's libertarian. But that's almost enough for my support.

[Future240]

Originally Posted by simmode1

What did he do now? I stopped paying attention after it was clear that Bernie was screwed by the DNC...

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/us...nton.html?_r=0 <-- he later clarified and said he was trying to say by voting


http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-n...nap-story.html
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ounded-isis-c/


Not him but one of his advisors
http://www.masslive.com/politics/ind...asaro_hil.html

Originally Posted by exitspeed

I don't think the supporters feel any different. He's doing the same things he's been doing since day 1. Saying things that are either not PC, sarcastic (the media and the anti Trumpers apparently don't understand sarcasm) and most of the time totally irrelevant.

And that's why they like him.

I'm still not a supporter and have been hoping for him to win me over over the last several months, but I'm still not on board. His economic and tax plan I agree with 100%. His edicate I disagree with 75%. If he could curb his brash comments and pull his campaign together I'd be on board. My prediction is though that it's not going to happen. I want to be proven wrong though.

If someone else steps up to run as a third party that's more than likely who I'll vote for, even though I know they won't have a chance and a vote for that person is as good as a vote for Hilary.

Fuck Hilary though. She's honestly one of the worst, most dishonest, disgusting human beings in politics. Anyone who defends her is lying to themselves and putting morals aside to advance their political party. But hey, that's what the Left does.

/rant

#notlookingforwardtonovember

Are you in my brain? This is exactly how I feel about the upcoming election. I want Trump to represent a better GOP. I keep hoping to open a headline and see something other than him making an ass of himself. I consider myself a right leaning centrist. Donald has an opportunity to really shake things up. Instead he flip flops on issue, panders to the far right and is all over the place. I want to "Make America great again" but currently I don't trust Trump to do so.




I like the idea of Gary Johnson, but his open borders, no department of education and well as some other policies are deal breakers for me. Plus lets be honest, no 3rd party candidate is going to really gather enough votes to matter.


I've read through Jill Stein's policies.....meh..no thanks.

[simmode1]

^^^Geezus. Christ. I'll go back to ignoring that guy. What a shit communicator.

Originally Posted by exitspeed

I'll never support a socialist.

I would, a democratic socialist anyways... I like the social programs we currently have in place & I think a few more are in order.

[MJenkins1101]

Originally Posted by simmode1

I would, a democratic socialist anyways... I like the social programs we currently have in place & I think a few more are in order.

This contradicts your signature 100%.

Simplify, eliminate, and reduce government. That's the only way to "make America great again."

[STR8 H8N]

up like donald trump

[justinbyrant]

I wonder how many people here actually understand what socialism is and the benefits it brings

[justinbyrant]

I look at it this way, trump is like the spoiled kid in the toy store, his parents have money, they buy him all kinds of stuff all the time, he has the resources, he has the abilities and he CAN make a change however instead of actually doing that and making an attempt to create relevant change he throws himself on the floor and throws a fit, makes fun of disabled people, is just generally a disgusting person, he needs slapped, sat in time out and told to grow up and come back and try again

im not a proper person by any means, im crude, dirty, I make sexual jokes on the daily just like most of us here, however I would never ever stand up in front of the world and do and say the things trump does, that represents an incredibly impressive lack of class and restraint that personally I feel makes him almost ALMOST a worse person than Hillary

[STR8 H8N]

Originally Posted by justinbyrant

I wonder how many people here actually understand what socialism is and the benefits it brings

benefits

[justinbyrant]

Originally Posted by STR8 H8N

benefits

yes benefits, democratic socialist countries lead America in pretty much every category except for the bad ones

[simmode1]

^^^This. Some ppl seem completely incapable of looking outside of our borders for good ideas.

Originally Posted by MJenkins1101

This contradicts your signature 100%.

Simplify, eliminate, and reduce government. That's the only way to "make America great again."

Lol... Have you ever read up on Bruce Lee's philosophy? He taught practicing a complex exercise so often that it became SIMPLE and like 2nd nature...

Can't fix our national issues with a hatchet. Need a balanced & well thought out approach. Don't just start cutting shit... smh

[S14kouki805]

They're both assholes, I can't stand either one. This country's political system is fucked.

However, Hillary is going to win. The DNC had the blanket pulled off their corruption and no one batted an eye. All of the bullshit and lies have done absolutely nothing to slow her pace to the POTUS.

The reason she will still win is because Trump is a complete moron who has no business running for the highest position. He is constantly proving he is unworthy with his idiotic remarks and ranting. He will not win because he was not meant to win, he was meant to sabotage the republican party. Hillary could probably be tried and convicted off all her bullshit and still win.

Ok, back to work people...

[STR8 H8N]

Originally Posted by justinbyrant

yes benefits, democratic socialist countries lead America in pretty much every category except for the bad ones

Originally Posted by simmode1

^^^This. Some ppl seem completely incapable of looking outside of our borders for good ideas.

Lol... Have you ever read up on Bruce Lee's philosophy? He taught practicing a complex exercise so often that it became SIMPLE and like 2nd nature...

Can't fix our national issues with a hatchet. Need a balanced & well thought out approach. Don't just start cutting shit... smh

o ok ya lets be like china

[justinbyrant]

Originally Posted by simmode1

^^^This. Some ppl seem completely incapable of looking outside of our borders for good ideas.

they cant look outside our own borders because we have been conditioned not to, big business and our government has such a hold on our day to day lives and activities that they control everything, the government is paid by businesses to protect their interests, socialism is about the worst thing for big business so as such we have been conditioned to believe socialism is evil, its not, I apologize in advance for the book I have written you all but here it is

just to start lets pick one country out of the mix of evil democratic socialist states and lets look at some figures shall we?




Denmark is a good one ya?




to start according to world bank data, denmarks per capita income is $6,000 higher than in the united states which sure isn't some amazing figure but when you factor in the fact that Danish citizens work an average of 33 hours a week and have a right to 5 weeks paid vacation time off a year vs Americas 47 hours a week average and 16 days a year paid vacation average as well as the fact that new parents in Denmark receive an average of 52 weeks of paid time off after having a child which can be taken at their own discretion, in addition new mothers receive 4 weeks paid off before due dates and 14 weeks after new fathers get 2 weeks after the birth of their child paid time off, new parents in America get nothing, 1 in 4 new mothers in America are back at work within 2 weeks of giving birth, any worker in Denmark to has worked at least 52 weeks over a 3 year period can qualify to have 90% of their original salary paid for up to 2 years in unemployment benifits




lets move on, lets look at savings accounts and expenses, gross national savings in Denmark (savings by the both individuals and government programs like retirement and whatnot) in 2013 was estimated at 24.1% of GDP vs Americas 13.5%, Danish citizens spend 49% of their GDP on household goods while americans spend 69%




now on to a bullshit stat however it is one I feel like should be mentioned, Denmark ranked 3rd of 158 countries in the UNs 2015 world happiness report, the us was 15th




none of this even covers the fact that forbes ranked Denmark as the #1 best country for business in 2014 using 11 different criteria to rank business, including property rights, taxes, investor protection, stock market performance, corruption, personal freedom, freedom of trade and others, under the same criteria the united states was 18th, they also ranked 3rd in ease of doing business to Americas 7th




or the fact that Denmark has one of the lowest poverty rates in the world at 6% of the population being considered poverty stricken vs Americas 14.8% or the fact that Denmark has an employment rate of 72.8% to Americas 67%




shall we cover health costs now? at $4,400 per person Denmark is still well above the average of $3,300 per person but no where near Americas rates, Americas in 2014 spent $3.207 trillion dollars in health care cost averaged between the 320 million population that still comes to almost $10,000 per person, education is a good one to, students in Denmark are paid $900 a month to go to school if they live on their own and this funding lasts up to 6 years, now American students pay over $31,000 per year in tuition to attend a private college, out of state students at a public college pay $22,000 a year and in state students at a public college still pay over $9,000 a year




now the only, THE ONLY bad thing about Denmark is their taxes, and now you will see why I chose Denmark as an example, they have the highest tax rate in the world at 48.9% tax to GDP ratio, Americas is 28.2%, a 20.7% increase from where we are now to the highest tax rate in the world, so tell me how do they manage to still have a higher GDP percentage than America? how do they manage to save more money than americans despite a 20.7% higher tax rate, how do they do that while managing to work a total of 14 hours a week less than the average American, enjoy more vacation time, have a much lower poverty rate, a much lower unemployment rate, a much higher business rating across the board, maybe, just maybe the evil socialist ideals aren't as evil as the people who stand to lose the most will have you believe?




lets take a look at a few things, namely, what is socialism? socialism places the responsibility for production In the hands of the workers and it ensures that wealth is not accumulated in isolated pockets but is distributed for the benefit of all, for instance through public health, education, security etc




for socialism to succeed it requires that ALL members work for the benefit of ALL, it is not about creating a welfare state, it is not about placing power and wealth in the hands of a FEW to exploit ALL which is exactly what lenin and stallin did, now the soviet union may have call itself a socialist state but that is not what it was at least not in that stage of history, lenin and stalin exploited the workers uprising in the switch from capitalism to socialism to introduce a repressive regime that benifited no one let alone the workers




now what is capitalism, capitalism requires government control over the market even in your wonderful "free market" if it wasnt for free trade agreements and the general agreement on trade and taiffs most us corportations would actually have to compete fairly with smaller traders in weaker economies, instead the us government has ensured the strength and growth of their corporations whilst allowing them to exploit weaker economies and markets




essentially capitalism is the redistribution of wealth from the poor to the rich for capitalism to succeed it requires that ALL members of society work for the benefit of the FEW, it places power in the hands of the few to exploit all




note that the right wing will accuse left wing parties of being socialist when the government funds healthcare, education, police, defense etc. they call it a welfare state but when the government funds large business its called a democracy and free trade, that's capitalism for you




being as how America has established itself as the basis for all things democracy and capitalism it should be used to compare to socialist states, the united states certainly has and has had a strong economy and has dominated the world with military use so much so that we have spent more on military spending than the welfare of the people, any suggestion of the government being responsible for the people is met with derision and accusations of socialism and communism, Americas GDP certainly has exceeded that of any other country be it capitalist, socialist or any thing else, ask yourself why maybe? maybe that wealth was built on a series of violent international conflicts and interventions which established American corportations in many countries which ensured that the wealth of those countries was redistributed at least partially to the united states however compared to socialist states the united states unemployment levels have always been much higher and it lacked any ability to provide health care or social services to its poorest citizens




is success having wealth in the hands of the few while the majority earn minimum wage?




is success having the strongest military and no public health system at all?




is success having the biggest house and a mortgage that cant be paid?




is success measured by "he who has the most toys wins"?




yet this is how we live




to obtain this "success" the government has marketed an impossible and unobtainable dream to the population while exploiting fears that the dream will not be realized if evil socialism undermines the power of corporations to sell this deam




since the second world war, the united states has intervened in the sovereignty of over 70 nations for our own economic gain, the government claims these interventions were for democracy and freedom and human rights yes the interventions resulted a lot of the time in democratic elections being corrupted, democratically elected goverments being overthrown, tyrants installed and millions of people massacred as a result, the middle east is just the newest installment in that chapter except it backfired and the tyrants installed rebelled against the united states with the weapons and resources we gave them, where do you think isis came from?




socialism never failed, everyone always says it failed or "name one instance where socialism worked" those are the types of questions that show the sheer lack of knowledge of the person posing the question, socialism never failed, it was overthrown through aggressive extremist capitalism implemented through genocide and economic blackmail which destroyed lives, economies, political systems, and democracy in many many countries




my favorite argument is "name one, name one country that has been successful under socialism"




well china to start, apart from the unnecessary human rights violations which had nothing to do with socialism and instead with power however apart form that china has prospered under socialism and is now one of the strongest economies in the world




chile under the democratically elected Marxist president Allende had successfully implemented multiple public services reduced food and housing shortages and increased housing standards, he nationalized almost 100 industries including banking and credit which assisted in redistributing weath equally his land reforms improved food production greatly assisting in reducing shortages, but of coarse these evil socialist measures were unacceptable to the united states who blatantly sabotaged the Chilean economy through united states interference and withholding of aid and manipulation of media through fear campaigns and false propaganda and influencing the military, this interference culminated in Allende being murdered in a bloody cia backed coup in September 1973 in order to install a pro military dictator general Pinochet who then went on to murder thousands of his own citizens, and of coarse these massacres were to protect the Chileans from the evils of socialism and allow them to enjoy the economic ruin brought on by American corporations




Indonesia was another chile




as was cuba




Nicaragua




veneuela, which is controversial because of recent activities, Venezuela is no longer socialist, they may still be classified as socialist for some reason but since the last president died they have been ruled by a military dictator and the country no longer follows socialist values, as such they have gone from the faster growing economy in the world just 6-7 years ago to one of the worst and fastest falling economies but don't worry, anything is better than socialism




Vietnam is currently one of the fastest growing economies in the world under socialism and has improved economically since the end of the Vietnam war under socialism




social democracies are enjoyed by many countries by combining a blend of socialism and capitalism through social democracy which has been far far more effective than the united states extreme capitalism the most notable of these countries

Australia

new Zealand

the united kingdom

Denmark

Sweden

Germany

finland

france

Switzerland

Portugal

and Italy

all enjoy much much better living standards and a multitude of other catagories




so in conclusion after wasting much of my slow work day socialism works, it does when its not overthrown by a world super power and the people don't let a tyrannical dictator to manipulate and control it into something that its not, kinda like what has been happening the last few decades in the united states but that's none of my business........

[justinbyrant]

Originally Posted by STR8 H8N

o ok ya lets be like china

china has grown to one of the strongest economies in the world under socialism, the social rights issues and human rights issues in china have absolutely nothing to do with the socialist process, it has to do with Marxism and power plays

[kashira kureijii]

None of those socialist countries have a gdp similar to ours , most of the euro ones are cucked and full of muslims.
Yall cray fam
Also everyone claiming to be centrist is kidding themselves. You need to jump to one side or the other, if you stand in the middle of the road youll be run over.

All hail imperator trump.



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[S14kouki805]

Originally Posted by kashira kureijii

None of those socialist countries have a gdp similar to ours , most of the euro ones are cucked and full of muslims.
Yall cray fam
Also everyone claiming to be centrist is kidding themselves. You need to jump to one side or the other, if you stand in the middle of the road youll be run over.

All hail imperator trump.



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Are you fucking serious?

[KAT-PWR]

Trump is the man, y'all are just haters.

*shotguns beer/shoots guns

[justinbyrant]

Originally Posted by kashira kureijii

None of those socialist countries have a gdp similar to ours , most of the euro ones are cucked and full of muslims.
Yall cray fam
Also everyone claiming to be centrist is kidding themselves. You need to jump to one side or the other, if you stand in the middle of the road youll be run over.

All hail imperator trump.

of coarse they don't have a gdp similar to ours, the us government has directly intervened in the sovereignty of over 70 countrys in the last 70 years with the strict and exact result of installing us based corporations or us friendly goverments into power, its no wonder we have a higher gdp than almost every other country (chinas is higher as of February 11th this year do some fact checking so yes a socialist country not only has a gdp similar to ours but higher) its hard not to have a higher gdp when we are moving our corporations run by multi-billionares who don't give back to an economy with their profits and who fight tooth and nail to pay workers the very smallest amount possible driving foreign economies into the ground and preventing smaller businesses from taking hold by using their power and influence to force goverments to yield to them and their ways, not only are American corporations stealing from us, their own people but they are stealing from the rest of the world to

my favorite example of American corporations taking advantage of citizens is in Estonia. so for those who don't know Estonia is a socialist country, due to the wonderful influence of socialism preventing big businesses like Comcast from holding illegal monopolies, all internet service and wifi is free, not only free but faster than American internet and available everywhere, you can literally leave your house and walk all around town without ever losing wifi in any one area, a country that literally didn't have phones 20 years ago provides something as simple and basic as internet to every citizen, 97% of Estonian schools have internet compared to about 50% in America a country with infinitely more wealth, almost everything in Estonia is done electronically because everyone has access

[exitspeed]

Literally right now I taught my kids about Socialism.

My son is a hard worker. He's digging in the dirt looking for worms. Crazy kids. He has like two or three big ones. My oldest daughter who is just playing away with her My Littlw Pony's decided she wanted one. She runs up and just grabs one. My son have chase, pissed. The Law (Dad. Me) stepped in and gave him his worm back.

This honestly just happed 5 minutes ago. It was a great opportunity to explain to them why Socialism is bad and a perfect anecdote for this thread.

Lol

[justinbyrant]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Literally right now I taught my kids about Socialism.

My son is a hard worker. He's digging in the dirt looking for worms. Crazy kids. He has like two or three big ones. My oldest daughter who is just playing away with her My Littlw Pony's decided she wanted one. She runs up and just grabs one. My son have chase, pissed. The Law (Dad. Me) stepped in and gave him his worm back.

This honestly just happed 5 minutes ago. It was a great opportunity to explain to them why Socialism is bad and a perfect anecdote for this thread.

Lol

except that's not how that works.

What happens is your son is sitting there digging away for his worms and hes got 2 or 3 real big ones and hes proud as shit and wants to sell them and make himself some spending money and pay his bills and live a comfortable life, when all of a sudden your neighbors kid comes over, now hes a big kid, just an absolute monster and tough as shit, and your the law but his dad is the government, your boss, he comes over and he says "you can keep those 2 or 3 little worms but im gonna take that spot your digging in, and if you don't give me that spot your digging in im gonna walk over to your dad (you, the law rememeber) and im gonna offer him $100,000 to ground you and force you to go inside so I can have your spot. and if that ends up being to expensive or he says no, im gonna raise the price on shovels, and digging tools, and food until your forced to give up or move and then im gonna run the price as high as I want. and if that doesn't work im going to lower the price of worms down to next to nothing until you can no longer go without selling worms and you have to liquidate your assests, and little boy there isn't a thing you can do about it because I have enough money to make sure all this can and will happen and then some" and your little boy is gonna fight, and hes gonna fight, hes gonna fight hard, tooth and nail but inevitably that bigger kid is going to pay enough people and float a store or company long enough to take your kids spot, by force if need be and there isn't a thing you or your son can do about It..............


but wait, maybe, just maybe, a ray of hope, a little sunshine in this terrible world, if we all stand together and decide that we are all poor, we are all a collective group of people being oppressed by the same government and the same corporation and we can look past our own selfishness and realize that maybe your son doesn't need 3 worms, maybe he can make do with 2 and give someone else one even if only for a little while, maybe things will get better, maybe if we all band together and give away a little more eventually instead of needing 3 or 4 or 5 worms to live a comfortable life, eventually we may only need 1 worm or 2 to live not only the same comfortable life as before but maybe just maybe an even better life and we can live it with less worms, not only could your son live with less worms but your daughter could to, and they could both see a pediatrician without paying any cash at the time, they could both attend school all the way through college without having to save their whole lives, imagine the possibilities.........

[justinbyrant]

you also forgot to tell your kid about all the things he would get for that one measly worm, you forgot to tell him that he would need less worms to live the same in the future, and that he would be able to see the doctor and go to school, and all the other super nice awesome things he could get for that one worm