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SRaznDRFTR · 03-19-2005, 06:32 PM

wassup guys! okay...i checked for spark by using the valve cover method thingy to check for spark..i got spark...from all coil packs...how close does it have to be btw? meaning when i checked for the spark...i had to be like 1mm away to get a spark??...i know im getting fuel cuz i hear the fuel pump and smell gas from the plugs...so what could it be?? and one other thing...when i connect the battery terminals...and put the ignition on the on switch it stays on...even with the key out...so wtf?! i dunno what happened there...so if you guys could help meh out that would be great...cuz im out of ideas...i mean shouldn't i at least get the car to turn over because it does have fuel and spark?? but it doesn't do that it juss cranks...im in SoCal so if any of you Socal guys out there wanna roll by...i'll pay for your gas some extra $$ or brew/food for your help...lmk...its been a long time i driven my car and i want to drive it...even if it still had the KA!!!! thnx guys!!

-DeL

SRaznDRFTR · 03-19-2005, 07:08 PM

oh yea...i even put it on TDC...and that didn't work...with the crank pulley and CAS...or do i have to do it over and over again if it doesn't start? and i don't wanna give up on this cuz i've already spent the time and money juss trying to get it in and to start...and i don't have my KA anymore...well at least the parts...GaH!!

SRaznDRFTR · 03-20-2005, 01:48 AM

hmm...so far 17 views and no posts except for mine...so out of the 17...i guess no one has a clue huh? well that sux...cuz iono shiet too!!!

*fliprayzin240sx* · 03-20-2005, 04:01 AM

are you getting spark? just have the tip touch the manifold while you try to crank it. If you got spark, fuel and your timings done rite and still wouldnt start. Double check your fuel lines and make sure theyre connected the right way and you didnt crossed em.

SRaznDRFTR · 03-20-2005, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

are you getting spark? just have the tip touch the manifold while you try to crank it. If you got spark, fuel and your timings done rite and still wouldnt start. Double check your fuel lines and make sure theyre connected the right way and you didnt crossed em.

hey flip! thnx for all the help man...you've been helping meh a lot bro! much appreciated...as far as i know im getting spark...because i did test the plugs to see if its getting spark...and the plugs are covered with fuel so i know it has fuel and i did set it at TDC...but maybe i might have tighten the plug too tight where the coil isn't reaching it? do you think that could be the problem? thnx again flip! are you flip btw? juss curious?

-DeL

420sx · 03-20-2005, 10:37 AM

Muzzy: well...im thinkin ignitor chip....or u set it to TDC..but the wrong one......(yea i know there is only one) its where the came lobes are facing away from each other then u line up the little dots.

if u are gettin spark and fuel.....but not firing....its coil packs, ignitor chip, or timing...somewhere in there....unless u routed the fuel line backwards..those are the only thing i can come up with at the moment.

look in the FSM and see how to test the coil pack and ignitor chip.

SRaznDRFTR · 03-20-2005, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by 420sx

Muzzy: well...im thinkin ignitor chip....or u set it to TDC..but the wrong one......(yea i know there is only one) its where the came lobes are facing away from each other then u line up the little dots.

if u are gettin spark and fuel.....but not firing....its coil packs, ignitor chip, or timing...somewhere in there....unless u routed the fuel line backwards..those are the only thing i can come up with at the moment.

look in the FSM and see how to test the coil pack and ignitor chip.

thnx for the info...not to sound like a big @ss n00b...but i am to Nissan (---->Ex-Honda Guy<----) but whats an FSM?? i've read it in other threads but didn't know what it stood for...thnx again...i'll see what i could do with the coil packs and ignitor chip...and the fuel thingy...doesn't the top of the filter go to the one closest to it from the intake mani...and the return line goes to the FPR? thnx again!

-DeL

Rusker · 03-20-2005, 03:29 PM

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Rusker · 03-20-2005, 03:36 PM

Find one, and buy it. This will be the best money you spend on your car, I promise. There are version online, but nothing beats having it in book form.

*fliprayzin240sx* · 03-20-2005, 03:55 PM

Best bet would be, go to the SR FAQs section and download the S14 SR FSM. Its pretty much the same with just the variable timing crap difference.

Anyways, double check your timing again. Pop the valve cover off and follow this... PHASE2 TIMING

When you set it in TDC, stick a long extention into the the #1 cylinder. Turn the crank till the extention is all the way up and check the cam gears. There will be pins on the sprockets. Intake side should be at 10 oclock position and the exhaust side should be in 12 oclock. If these are not, keep turning the the crank till they do. Follow the above to line up the CAS.

Then like i said earlier, double check your fuel lines and make sure you didnt cross em. And when you fire it up, use a plier to pinch the IN fuel line a bit, sometimes that helps it fire up in my experience.

PS: yah im FLIP

ultraDorksGarage · 03-20-2005, 04:18 PM

resetting timing to FSM(same as phase2 document) is best bet, sounds like u got timing 180 degrees out.

1 more thing ive seen thats whack... have u wired up ur gauges... this sounds stupid, but if u wire ur temp gauge to the thermosensor(or was it probe) that goes to ecu, or short it, it will dump fuel like there is no tommorow. easy way to check is after u try to crank motor, pull a couple of injector plugs, and try to recrank. if it stumbles/starts rough, than u r prolly dumping fuel. this normally affects car when u get to temp and cant start, but ive seen it do this on cold cars too.

03-19-2005, 07:08 PM	#2
SRaznDRFTR Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Hawthorne, CA Posts: 117 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	oh yea...i even put it on TDC...and that didn't work...with the crank pulley and CAS...or do i have to do it over and over again if it doesn't start? and i don't wanna give up on this cuz i've already spent the time and money juss trying to get it in and to start...and i don't have my KA anymore...well at least the parts...GaH!! __________________ Team Shoganai Vouch Thread -----> Vouches

03-20-2005, 01:48 AM	#3
SRaznDRFTR Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Hawthorne, CA Posts: 117 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	hmm...so far 17 views and no posts except for mine...so out of the 17...i guess no one has a clue huh? well that sux...cuz iono shiet too!!! __________________ Team Shoganai Vouch Thread -----> Vouches

03-20-2005, 04:01 AM	#4
fliprayzin240sx Man w/ CTSV & a Car Seat Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 17,998 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: fliprayzin240sx Feedback Score: 19 reviews	are you getting spark? just have the tip touch the manifold while you try to crank it. If you got spark, fuel and your timings done rite and still wouldnt start. Double check your fuel lines and make sure theyre connected the right way and you didnt crossed em. __________________ If you think Zilvia has too many assholes... CLICK HERE!!!

03-20-2005, 10:37 AM	#6
420sx Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Age: 41 Posts: 3,960 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: 420sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Muzzy: well...im thinkin ignitor chip....or u set it to TDC..but the wrong one......(yea i know there is only one) its where the came lobes are facing away from each other then u line up the little dots. if u are gettin spark and fuel.....but not firing....its coil packs, ignitor chip, or timing...somewhere in there....unless u routed the fuel line backwards..those are the only thing i can come up with at the moment. look in the FSM and see how to test the coil pack and ignitor chip. __________________ hydropgrahics! ls1......

03-20-2005, 03:29 PM	#8
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03-19-2005, 06:32 PM	#1
SRaznDRFTR Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Hawthorne, CA Posts: 117 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Need Help!! Sr Not Starting!!!!! wassup guys! okay...i checked for spark by using the valve cover method thingy to check for spark..i got spark...from all coil packs...how close does it have to be btw? meaning when i checked for the spark...i had to be like 1mm away to get a spark??...i know im getting fuel cuz i hear the fuel pump and smell gas from the plugs...so what could it be?? and one other thing...when i connect the battery terminals...and put the ignition on the on switch it stays on...even with the key out...so wtf?! i dunno what happened there...so if you guys could help meh out that would be great...cuz im out of ideas...i mean shouldn't i at least get the car to turn over because it does have fuel and spark?? but it doesn't do that it juss cranks...im in SoCal so if any of you Socal guys out there wanna roll by...i'll pay for your gas some extra $$ or brew/food for your help...lmk...its been a long time i driven my car and i want to drive it...even if it still had the KA!!!! thnx guys!! -DeL __________________ Team Shoganai Vouch Thread -----> Vouches

03-20-2005, 03:36 PM	#9
Rusker Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Washington Posts: 351 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Find one, and buy it. This will be the best money you spend on your car, I promise. There are version online, but nothing beats having it in book form. __________________ 1990 S13/SR20

03-20-2005, 03:55 PM	#10
fliprayzin240sx Man w/ CTSV & a Car Seat Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 17,998 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: fliprayzin240sx Feedback Score: 19 reviews	Best bet would be, go to the SR FAQs section and download the S14 SR FSM. Its pretty much the same with just the variable timing crap difference. Anyways, double check your timing again. Pop the valve cover off and follow this... PHASE2 TIMING When you set it in TDC, stick a long extention into the the #1 cylinder. Turn the crank till the extention is all the way up and check the cam gears. There will be pins on the sprockets. Intake side should be at 10 oclock position and the exhaust side should be in 12 oclock. If these are not, keep turning the the crank till they do. Follow the above to line up the CAS. Then like i said earlier, double check your fuel lines and make sure you didnt cross em. And when you fire it up, use a plier to pinch the IN fuel line a bit, sometimes that helps it fire up in my experience. PS: yah im FLIP __________________ If you think Zilvia has too many assholes... CLICK HERE!!!

03-20-2005, 04:18 PM	#11
ultraDorksGarage Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Hawaii Posts: 204 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	resetting timing to FSM(same as phase2 document) is best bet, sounds like u got timing 180 degrees out. 1 more thing ive seen thats whack... have u wired up ur gauges... this sounds stupid, but if u wire ur temp gauge to the thermosensor(or was it probe) that goes to ecu, or short it, it will dump fuel like there is no tommorow. easy way to check is after u try to crank motor, pull a couple of injector plugs, and try to recrank. if it stumbles/starts rough, than u r prolly dumping fuel. this normally affects car when u get to temp and cant start, but ive seen it do this on cold cars too.