The Future Automotive Thread

[Yardjass]

Originally Posted by zerodameaon

So its looking like that Fiat 124 will end up being cheaper for a turbo model then the NA Miata. Not sure how Mazda allowed Fiat to get away with that one, I guess they just expect them to all break down and the buyers they lost to come crawling back begging for forgiveness.

Where are you seeing this? I'm not a fan of the looks of either one but if that's the case and you can squeeze maybe 50-75 more horses out of it with a simple tune and basic bolt ons., I may have to buy a Fiat. I can't believe I'm saying that last part.

[exitspeed]

It was all over the car websites a few days ago.

[Antihero983]

I honestly cannot get past the looks of the Fiat. Shame.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by Antihero983

I honestly cannot get past the looks of the Fiat. Shame.

Me either. Plus I can just imagine the "great engineering" FCA group put into it. I'm willing to bet in 10 years there's all kinds of common issues with the Fiat and very few with the Mazda.

[Yardjass]

Originally Posted by Antihero983

I honestly cannot get past the looks of the Fiat. Shame.

I'm not really a fan but I don't hate it like I hate the trash new age Japanese design language that they used on the ND. To me, the later NC's were at a good spot. Decent looks while staying simplistic and not trying to go to masculine. I wish they'd do something more like that. As much as people bitch about corvettes and 911's not changing much, at least they haven't changed them significantly for the worse.

I like the price point and I love the exhaust notes on those 500 abarths, which I imagine is similar to what the 124 will have. I'm not really a big fan of FCA or Italian junk in general but I'd consider buying one given the price and depending on what kind of power gains people are able to accomplish with minor aftermarket upgrades and a tune. Also just to give the middle finger to Mazda for being too ignorant to either give their car enough power or the potential to get there fairly easily by way of a factory forced induction motor. I have to admit, if this thing looked as good as an S2000, and I knew good things about all of the above, I'd be sold right now. Gotta vote with your wallet if something good is offered. I can confidently say the only reason a Subaru-Toyota isn't in my driveway right now is because they never offered it with more power. However, not buying something still doesn't send quite the same message as buying when they do something right.

[exitspeed]

Toyota is losing its mind (in the best way possible imo) and fucking around with a RWD sporty wagony shooting brake 86 and Nissan can't even redesign the Z or figure out how to make a small coupe.

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/05/06/t...cept-official/

[kashira kureijii]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Toyota is losing its mind (in the best way possible imo) and fucking around with a RWD sporty wagony shooting brake 86 and Nissan can't even redesign the Z or figure out how to make a small coupe.



http://www.autoblog.com/2016/05/06/t...cept-official/

^cool

It has more of a hatchback shape to it.

Still concerned over lack of SF-R news.

Toyota needs to have a manual option for one of the Lexus sedans haha. Manual IS200t would be swag

[Rob's S14]

is it just me or does that look a lot like a CRZ?

[K_style]

Originally Posted by kashira kureijii

^cool

It has more of a hatchback shape to it.

Still concerned over lack of SF-R news.

Toyota needs to have a manual option for one of the Lexus sedans haha. Manual IS200t would be swag

Originally Posted by Rob's S14

is it just me or does that look a lot like a CRZ?

That is just retarded..

[kashira kureijii]

Originally Posted by K_style

That is just retarded..

are wagons you know....more wagony?

It's not really rectangular, it has a rounded front and square rear. It is a short 3-door setup. wagons are longer right?

what defines wagon as opposed to hatchback? don't wagons have 4 doors ?

in for proper definition then, if it is just retarded.

[Antihero983]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Toyota is losing its mind (in the best way possible imo) and fucking around with a RWD sporty wagony shooting brake 86 and Nissan can't even redesign the Z or figure out how to make a small coupe.

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/05/06/t...cept-official/

When the hell are they gonna finally build that god damn Supra they keep bringing around the concept for? I don't care for its looks, but its been in development forever now!

[kashira kureijii]

Originally Posted by Antihero983

When the hell are they gonna finally build that god damn Supra they keep bringing around the concept for? I don't care for its looks, but its been in development forever now!

kinda thought they were gonna crossbreed it with a bimmer, probably gonna be exciting as that new NSX.................

[Matej]

Originally Posted by Rob's S14

is it just me or does that look a lot like a CRZ?

And a Hyundai Veloster.

[exitspeed]

But RWD and with more awesome, less quirk.

[BOROSUN]

really like the side profile

[Fries]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

But RWD and with more awesome, less quirk.

Same lack of power though. I love the 86 twins, but they're just soooo damn slow.

[kingkilburn]

How is more car with the same lack of power supposed to excite potential buyers?

Turbo or bust.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

How is more car with the same lack of power supposed to excite potential buyers?

Turbo or bust.

This.

Such a dumb move.

[Frank_Jaeger]

It even has the blessing of Tetsuya Tada, the father of the Toyota 86 and its Subaru BRZ and (now rebadged) Scion FR-S, who's been protective of the original GT86 concept to the point of strenuously resisting any serious power upgrades.

I found the problem.

[exitspeed]

It sucks because the car seriously only needs like 25-50 hp more to quite the critiques. I just can't imagine the second gen not seeing a pretty big hp jump. I also wouldn't be surprised if it only saw a 5-10hp increase and stay NA.

[Yardjass]

I think my favorite part is the horse shit line that Toyota and Mazda keep giving about how they can't handle more power and still be light. Would have to go to 5 lug and beef up the rest of the car, that whole talking point. Meanwhile, JCW had no problem doing it in a mini over a decade ago.

[zombiewolf513]

Originally Posted by Rob's S14

is it just me or does that look a lot like a CRZ?

LOL yeah looks like my crz with an frs light conversion

[Antihero983]

Hp isn't the true answer. I OWN ONE. And let me say, it just needs more torque. If they put all the direct injection shit on to the 2.5 from the Legacy, and tuned it properly, it would be fine.

THEY WILL NEVER FUCKING TURBO IT. I've said this 1000000 times. It would cut into WRX sales, which is Subaru's darling. Besides, the BRZ is a bastard. Subaru never wanted it.

[kashira kureijii]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

How is more car with the same lack of power supposed to excite potential buyers?

Turbo or bust.

Nah,

I4 or bust

[Matej]

Make it electric.

With a 40 mile range.

[exitspeed]

I know looks and visibility are more important than performance to this crowd, but this thing is going to be a beast!

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/05/10/c...s-nurburgring/

[Corbic]

This was over on SVTP.

You can get a 2016 Mustang GT for $39k with the Dealer installed Roush TVS Supercharger making 670hp with 3/36k warranty.

http://cdnedge.vinsolutions.com/Deal...lyer%20All.pdf

If you don't mind losing your warranty you can have it tuned to 727hp.

http://api.viglink.com/api/click?for...F727hp-mustang

[Green Arrow]

Thats impressive but who is gonna spend >45k for a mustang? Not a huge percentage of people on this forum, due to the majority being under thirty. Impressive though

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by Green Arrow

Thats impressive but who is gonna spend >45k for a mustang? Not a huge percentage of people on this forum, due to the majority being under thirty. Impressive though

It's $39k. Not my problem "most on this forum" are broke asses.

Most on this forum can't afford a $3k 240sx.

[kashira kureijii]

Completely unrelated, but the gif of the guy VR fucking still shows up in taptalk.

I recommend a different gif, as I am tired seeing it.