new beastmode Camaro ZL1, so sick

[BustedS13]

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Here are some cliff notes:
Pricing to be announced late this year
Track/development results to be released this summer
ZL1 will get a MINIMUM of 550 hp
Carbon fiber hood insert and lightweight wheels will help offset added weight of powertrain and suspension
No limit on production volume
Fully expect the competition to be in the rear view mirror
ZL1 will use next generation supercharger
Wheels: 10" wide front, 11" wide rear
Tires: 285/35R20 in the front, 305/35R20 in the rear
Suede interior is an option
MR suspension is standard - which elevates it beyond any car in the segment
Stay tuned regarding Z28!!
Normal warranty terms
1.9 liter supercharger
52/48 weight distribution

BREAKING: New Camaro is the CAMARO ZL1 - 6.2L LSA Supercharged - 6MT - 2011 Camaro ZL1 Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1 SS Forums - Camaro5.com

2012 CAMARO ZL1
6.2L Supercharged V8 LSA
6 Speed Manual Transmission
Heavy Duty Driveline
Magnetic Ride Control
Brembo Brakes
Electric Power Steering
Track Ready Cooling Systems
Aggressive bodywork, including vented hood, Transformers 3 style bumper, special wheels
New steering wheel and interior trim with nice silver accents throughout

i want that.

[Future240]

That is so bad ass. I haven't seen a price, so I will guess 49K.

[Matej]

They should make it larger.
Looks tiny.

[ronmcdon]

We'll just have to wait for road tests to find out of it's better than the Shelby Cobra.
I liked how the Camaro looked when it fist came out, but it's not aged well imo.

Price point is going to be a big deal obviously
50k is base vette territory
49-53k is how much the shelby costs.

49k is also my guess.
would be impressed if they can release it for 45k or under.

It's nice, but most likely out of my price range.
Really tempted by the Mustang GT right now, or the tentative Boss depending again on price.

[MisawaJason]

Do not like it at all

[Felipe]

in black... -the trunk lip

[slider2828]

I saw the camaro and specs its sick!

Beastmode like this...

[exitspeed]

It think it's cool. It's good to see GM getting back into the performance stuff after basically all of it was canceled during the bankruptcy.

I'm be more excited about a performance Cruze though.

[SuicidnS13]

So where is the z28 going to fall into line now? GM again and there god damn 20 models of the same freakin car making production costs stupid high and minimizing profits thus putting them into another need a bail out situation. Why not just a Base v6, a V8 and then an SS... LOL They have like 3 trims of each engine package...

But nonetheless this will be an awesome daily driver....

[exitspeed]

This is in place of the Z28. They changed the name up.

[Flicktitty]

i like the performance and the specs, i still can't get around the styling of the car.

[BustedS13]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

This is in place of the Z28. They changed the name up.

i think they're still going to have a Z28... i don't see why that other brah has a problem with multiple trims. at least when GM does it, they're all different levels of beast car. when Nissan does it, you get, oh, i don't know, Enthusiast, Touring, Track, Grand Touring.... and they all have the same engine.

[slider2828]

This is a different beast to Z28. THe ZL1 was a limited production model of the camaro's way back in the 60's. I think there were like 500 made? I don't remember, but ZL1 is not a new designation for the Camaro....

[hartig]

looks like a fucking tank

[s13dan]

LOL "beastmode" I love beastwars

Looks about the same to me IMO, but the power it will make is just awesome.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by slider2828

This is a different beast to Z28. THe ZL1 was a limited production model of the camaro's way back in the 60's. I think there were like 500 made? I don't remember, but ZL1 is not a new designation for the Camaro....

Negative Ghost Rider the ZL1 is what everyone thought was going to be the Z28.

Camaro ZL1 is the new hot model in Chicago — Autoblog

The Chevrolet press conference isn't scheduled for another hour or so, but wandering the floor seems to have revealed that the expected hi-po pony car will eschew the Z28 designation in favor of ZL1. Either way, it'll pack a supercharged 6.2-liter V8 with a six-speed manual as part of a beefed-up driveline.

[soreballz]

Ehh... I still don't like the new Camaros. Too chunky and weird looking, imo. Performance be damned, the Challenger and Mustang look way the fuck cooler.

[MisawaJason]

Originally Posted by soreballz

Ehh... I still don't like the new Camaros. Too chunky and weird looking, imo. Performance be damned, the Challenger and Mustang look way the fuck cooler.

yeah, the camaro just looks way too huge. Especially compared to the mustang

[BustedS13]

Originally Posted by MisawaJason

yeah, the camaro just looks way too huge. Especially compared to the mustang

they're almost exactly the same length/width. the challenger is the largest by far

....that said, this is way hotter than any new camaro.



and i mean, honestly, i'd put the Camaro in third behind the Challenger and stang. but i still think it's killer either way. nice to see the big three cranking out cool cars.

[soreballz]

I think the reason the Camaro looks bulkier than the others is that it's awkwardly proportioned. It looks like a charicature.

Originally Posted by BustedS13

but i still think it's killer either way. nice to see the big three cranking out cool cars.

Agreed. It's nice to see the "pony car wars" back in action.

[drift freaq]

The coming Boss 302 is the Mustang that blows away all the others.

[BustedS13]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

The coming Boss 302 is the Mustang that blows away all the others.

with 440 horsepower, i kind of doubt that. the Super Snake i posted above has 800.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by BustedS13

with 440 horsepower, i kind of doubt that. the Super Snake i posted above has 800.

Ya but the non engine tweaks done to the Boss go way beyond the the Super Snake.

While the Super Snake has 800hp and bodywork, the Boss has the built for racing approach like the C6 Corvette's.

You should read up on it. It's going to be sick car. Ya get the Super Snake if you want to drag race and show off on the Boulevard. Get the new Boss 302 if you are serious about driving.

What good is 800 HP if you don't have the tweaks to handle it in the corners? Not to put the Super Snake its a dope looking car but 800HP seriously. I doubt it has the suspension to handle it.

The Boss was specifically built to hold up and go beyond the track car heritage of the original. Its more of a complete package driving wise.

I will always take less HP in favor of excellent driving and handling capabilities. HP is no good if the car can't utilize it properly.

To each his own.

[BustedS13]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Ya but the non engine tweaks done to the Boss go way beyond the the Super Snake.

While the Super Snake has 800hp and bodywork, the Boss has the built for racing approach like the C6 Corvette's.

You should read up on it. It's going to be sick car. Ya get the Super Snake if you want to drag race and show off on the Boulevard. Get the new Boss 302 if you are serious about driving.

What good is 800 HP if you don't have the tweaks to handle it in the corners? Not to put the Super Snake its a dope looking car but 800HP seriously. I doubt it has the suspension to handle it.

The Boss was specifically built to hold up and go beyond the track car heritage of the original. Its more of a complete package driving wise.

I will always take less HP in favor of excellent driving and handling capabilities. HP is no good if the car can't utilize it properly.

To each his own.

i absolutely agree with you, i'd rather have a well rounded vehicle. and they make multiple levels of super snake, you could get one with around 600hp as well. but as far as "blowing away all other mustangs", the Boss won't do it

....and the GT500 is designed for more than the quarter mile anyway.

Ford also improved upon the handling characteristics of the GT500. The overall stance of the car has been lowered by 11 millimeters in front and 8 millimeters at the rear. The car also features Ford's new Electric Power Assist Steering (EPAS) that improves torque build-up and road feel that delivers quicker and more precise steering, increased effort on the racetrack or winding roads, and reduced effort in low-speed parking maneuvers. The car also has Ford’s AdvanceTrac stability control system.
External improvements include an optional SVT Performance Package, which includes Goodyear EagleF1 SuperCar G: 2 tires, all-new lightweight 19-inch forged-aluminum wheels in the front and new 20-inch forged-aluminum wheels in the rear, 3.73 rear axle ratio, performance tuned front and rear shocks, along with stiffer springs. The package includes a unique rear spoiler Gurney Flap for improved handling, a slightly revised front and rear fascias, a new pedal box for improved clutch use, slotted brake dust shields for improved brake cooling, standard HID (high-intensity discharge) headlamps, MyKey programmable vehicle key, integrated spotter mirrors, and fold-down rear headrests. Optional is glass top roof, previously available starting in 2009 with the Mustang GT.
The improvements in handling and performance gives the 2011 Shelby GT500 a skidpad rating of 1.0G, and a Virginia International Raceway lap time of 2:58:48, making it as fast, and sometimes faster, than cars such as the M3, Audi R8 V10, Dodge Viper SRT-10 and Porsche GT3 around this racetrack [27]

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by Matej

They should make it larger.
Looks tiny.

While they're at it they should make it uglier, I threw up in my mouth but it didn't actually come spewing out, they need to step it up.

[BustedS13]

needs curb feelers

[S14DB]

MagRide suspension is a sure sign of who this car is marketed towards. First thing I would rip out.

GT500 is a tank with that iron block. Slower than a BOSS around a track and only slightly faster then a GT. Thing just can't corner.

[ronmcdon]

I think the '11 model has an aluminum block, among other improvements.
handles a better than the '10.

I'm not sure if the improvements justify the $20k-ish premium over a base GT, but it's not a bad car at all.

2011 Ford Shelby GT500 finally gets aluminum engine, loses 120 pounds — Autoblog

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by BustedS13

i absolutely agree with you, i'd rather have a well rounded vehicle. and they make multiple levels of super snake, you could get one with around 600hp as well. but as far as "blowing away all other mustangs", the Boss won't do it

....and the GT500 is designed for more than the quarter mile anyway.

I don't know about that. I saw a special on speed a week ago about the new Boss 302 and basically Ford went off with the car. Lots of track testing at Laguna Seca, rear seat delete option. ETC... they pretty much built a track car from the ground up.

Oh and to quote motortrend its the first non SVT level Mustang to exceed 1g in lateral grip.

2012 Ford Mustang Boss 302 First Look and Photos - Motor Trend

Here are a few more links

2012 Mustang Boss 302 to come with special key for race calibration, free track day — Autoblog

2012 Ford Mustang Boss 302 | Bringing the Legend Back to the Streets | Ford.com

[slider2828]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Negative Ghost Rider the ZL1 is what everyone thought was going to be the Z28.

Camaro ZL1 is the new hot model in Chicago — Autoblog

Yeah but the ZL1 is not a new designation is what I am saying. The ZL1 was a factory option in 69 with all aluminum head etc etc and a 427 engine that was built specificaly for street/drag... Basically a NHRA dragster that had a factory street warranty:

RS: 37,773
SS: 33,980
Z-28: 19,014

Engines:
250 I6 155bhp @ 4200rpm, 235lb-ft @ 1600rpm.
Z28: 302 V8 290bhp @ 5800rpm, 290lb-ft @ 4200rpm.
307 V8 200bhp @ 4600rpm, 300lb-ft @ 2400rpm.
327 V8 210bhp.
327 V8 275bhp.
350 LM1 V8 255bhp.
(SS350) 350 V8 300bhp @ 4800rpm, 380lb-ft @ 3200rpm.
(SS396) 396 V8 325bhp @ 4800rpm, 410lb-ft @ 3200rpm.
(SS396) 396 V8 350bhp @ 5200rpm, 415lb-ft @ 3200rpm.
(SS396) 396 V8 375bhp @ 5600rpm, 415lb-ft @ 3600rpm.
ZL1(COPO 9561) 427 V8 425bhp @ 5600rpm, 460lb-ft @ 4000rpm.
ZL1(COPO 9560) 427 V8 430bhp @ 5200rpm, 450lb-ft @ 4400rpm.

Performance:
(Z-28) 302/290bhp: 0-60 in 7.4 sec, 1/4 mile in 15.12 sec @ 94.8mph.
(SS396) 396/375bhp: 0-60 in 6.8 sec, 1/4 mile in 14.7 sec @ 98.7mph.
ZL1(COPO 9561) 427/425bhp: 0-60 in 5.4 sec, 1/4 mile in 13.5 sec @ 102mph.
ZL1(COPO 9560) 427/430bhp: 0-60 in 5.3 sec, 1/4 mile in 13.16 sec @ 110 mph.