Join the pettition to correct KBB.com on 240sx values - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

Brentbohn · 01-17-2012, 10:44 AM

LOW BALLERS NEED NOT APPLY.

I was disgusted in the reflection of values on kbb.com when it came to all 240sx's on there... this does a few negative things for our community at large. First it sets the idea that insurance can pay out less in the event of an accident, secondly it allows non owners to low ball your cars price before you even put it up for sale. Lastly it forces would be sellers to accept even less for their hard work.

I propose that we as a community go to kbb.com and click on contact. Submit a complaint on actual private party value of your car and what it should be...

I have already done this multiple times and have got generic responses....

TeamFRAT · 01-17-2012, 10:46 AM

People still use KBB as a standard of haggling?

ha...

godrifttoday · 01-17-2012, 10:47 AM

Waste of time. Should have bought a Porsche, if you get in an accident hire a lawyer. Simple

Brentbohn · 01-17-2012, 10:57 AM

Well this did happen to the 3000gt/stealth communities in the past 4 years they saw more than a 50% value drop from what I have heard.... Things do decline in value but it would seem that our pride has taken an unjust hit in the past few years... kouki's for 3k and s13's for less than 1k seems really terrible unless your the one purchasing it... lets try

DrftKingIII · 01-17-2012, 11:01 AM

My late 90's nissan is worth a fortune.

shiftdrift · 01-17-2012, 11:03 AM

I only paid 3k for my Kouki? So......stop crying.

***enkei2k*** · 01-17-2012, 11:06 AM

so where's this almighty 'petition' you speak of?

also, how much do you expect 14+ year old cars to cost? The S-chassis is no high end car like mentioned earlier.

KBB for a 98 Supra TT in 'excellent' condition from a private seller is less than $20K. Find me one that's in excellent condition selling for that price.

KBB doesn't give a shit about supply and demand and other variable factors like drift tax.

The older the car, the lower the KBB value. I think it's what they call...depreciation?

shoguner · 01-17-2012, 11:06 AM

beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Someone might think a 240 is worth its weight in gold. but all in all its just a 20 year old pile of metal.

chwks13 · 01-17-2012, 11:06 AM

Wahh wahh. Buy a vehicle actually worth something. The reality of it is s13's are 20 years old and not exactly rare.

raz0rbladez909 · 01-17-2012, 11:07 AM

If it isn't a collectors car it's not going to appreciate, if you were looking for an investment you should've bought something older and less build numbers on them. 240's are cheap for a reason, they aren't very spectacular to anyone but the people interested in them.

Brentbohn · 01-17-2012, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raz0rbladez909

If it isn't a collectors car it's not going to appreciate, if you were looking for an investment you should've bought something older and less build numbers on them. 240's are cheap for a reason, they aren't very spectacular to anyone but the people interested in them.

my 98 kouki is one of 1281 total produced.... that is rare

kalypso123 · 01-17-2012, 11:10 AM

honestly, I wouldnt stress over it.

I don't plan on getting into accidents, I drive like a sane human being.

Audios · 01-17-2012, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrftKingIII

My late 90's nissan is worth a fortune.

lol QFT, they are priced accordingly they wouldn't be so rare if so many idiots didn't drift them into walls. Its an old ass nissan and nothing more.

wonpoo · 01-17-2012, 11:31 AM

only reason people complain about the value is because they wanna resell it at ta higher value then what is established as normal purchasing price after the car is driven off the lot after it was made 20 years ago.

drift freaq · 01-17-2012, 11:36 AM

KBB is off on lots of cars. its not just 240's. Seriously the only thing KBB has ever been good for is a bargaining chip on purchasing. In that sense you don't want it to rise.

Oh and most insurance companies do things based on ACV these days. Which is a combination of what the cars sell for real market value and cost of actual replacement parts to fix.

I collected $2700 out of my previous 93.5 G20 when it got wrecked and the blue book on those things is in the trash can.

raz0rbladez909 · 01-17-2012, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brentbohn

my 98 kouki is one of 1281 total produced.... that is rare

It was still sold at the same pricepoint as every other year of 240sx, it isn't any better than any other year.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wonpoo

only reason people complain about the value is because they wanna resell it at ta higher value then what is established as normal purchasing price after the car is driven off the lot after it was made 20 years ago.

TRUTH

wonpoo · 01-17-2012, 11:40 AM

i want prices to stay low i seen automatic S14's try to sell for $8000 local that is bullshit!

deathrace2000 · 01-17-2012, 11:40 AM

Value systems are foolish. An automobile is worth only what someone will pay for it.

Brentbohn · 01-17-2012, 12:07 PM

you all are missing the point... kbb is potentially going to cost you money down the road.... for some retarded reason all dealerships and potential buyers look at that site to gauge their offers

RandallSharp · 01-17-2012, 12:14 PM

What if we just all love our cars so much that we're not considering selling them?

xoxide · 01-17-2012, 12:21 PM

Actually most dealerships use nada.com now. Kbb is outdated.

fckillerbee · 01-17-2012, 12:25 PM

KBB doesn't buy cars. Nor do they sell cars. They are a reference guide. Almost like looking on ebay to find out how much your car is worth.

awesome thread.

BOROSUN · 01-17-2012, 01:39 PM

Just wait 40 yrs then sell it. It better be worth more than a ft86 or I'm gonna be pissed.

*andrew600* · 01-17-2012, 02:33 PM

best thread ive seen in days. i vote my car is worth 4 cows, 2 goats, 5 chickens, and a toothless whore for hummers whenever i want.

if this option is on there i will sign the pet.

DreamN · 01-17-2012, 02:49 PM

lol this thread brings a smile to my face.

tukn9s · 01-17-2012, 02:51 PM

Blame the drifters

jefferz · 01-17-2012, 02:57 PM

kbb list like rust bucket 240's for like a 500 bucks good condition maybe a 1k

DRIFT tax raised the price on dirty s13's

ive never paid more then 500 for an s13.

i've had more then a few

people who want 3k for a s13 there on crack

ShakotanGazelle · 01-17-2012, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brentbohn

LOW BALLERS NEED NOT APPLY.

badbob2121 · 01-17-2012, 03:09 PM

My s13 KBB's at $1480

any takers? lol

koenig · 01-17-2012, 06:16 PM

Yeah, the price of bone stock s13's is out of control. I got mine earlier this year with lots of upgrades for $2200, but I was looking for a long time before I found it. These fools who are putting up their stock s13's with quarter panel damage and rust for 3500 are not realizing that the cost gets driven up by upgrades. coils, 5 lug, lsd's, motor swaps, cages, etc.

'tis ridiculous.

01-17-2012, 10:44 AM	#1
Brentbohn Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: minnesota Age: 44 Posts: 357 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Join the pettition to correct KBB.com on 240sx values LOW BALLERS NEED NOT APPLY. I was disgusted in the reflection of values on kbb.com when it came to all 240sx's on there... this does a few negative things for our community at large. First it sets the idea that insurance can pay out less in the event of an accident, secondly it allows non owners to low ball your cars price before you even put it up for sale. Lastly it forces would be sellers to accept even less for their hard work. I propose that we as a community go to kbb.com and click on contact. Submit a complaint on actual private party value of your car and what it should be... I have already done this multiple times and have got generic responses.... __________________ Wanted: Good well mannered athletic woman with her own classic or sports car.... send photo of car

01-17-2012, 10:47 AM	#3
godrifttoday Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: los angeles Age: 40 Posts: 3,120 Trader Rating: (82) Feedback Score: 82 reviews	Waste of time. Should have bought a Porsche, if you get in an accident hire a lawyer. Simple __________________ NEED Bolt kits for your car?

01-17-2012, 10:57 AM	#4
Brentbohn Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: minnesota Age: 44 Posts: 357 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Well this did happen to the 3000gt/stealth communities in the past 4 years they saw more than a 50% value drop from what I have heard.... Things do decline in value but it would seem that our pride has taken an unjust hit in the past few years... kouki's for 3k and s13's for less than 1k seems really terrible unless your the one purchasing it... lets try __________________ Wanted: Good well mannered athletic woman with her own classic or sports car.... send photo of car

01-17-2012, 11:01 AM	#5
DrftKingIII Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: TX Prefecture Posts: 1,663 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	My late 90's nissan is worth a fortune. __________________ - このノイズをファック -

01-17-2012, 11:03 AM	#6
shiftdrift Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: indiana Age: 33 Posts: 2,242 Trader Rating: (42) Feedback Score: 42 reviews	I only paid 3k for my Kouki? So......stop crying. __________________ SW Fab

01-17-2012, 11:06 AM	#7
*enkei2k* Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: over the river and through the woods Age: 39 Posts: 7,160 Trader Rating: (29) Feedback Score: 29 reviews	so where's this almighty 'petition' you speak of? also, how much do you expect 14+ year old cars to cost? The S-chassis is no high end car like mentioned earlier. KBB for a 98 Supra TT in 'excellent' condition from a private seller is less than $20K. Find me one that's in excellent condition selling for that price. KBB doesn't give a shit about supply and demand and other variable factors like drift tax. The older the car, the lower the KBB value. I think it's what they call...depreciation? __________________ Ask enkei2k xquizitditz

01-17-2012, 11:06 AM	#8
shoguner Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Utah Age: 32 Posts: 389 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Someone might think a 240 is worth its weight in gold. but all in all its just a 20 year old pile of metal.

01-17-2012, 11:06 AM	#9
chwks13 Leaky Injector Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Houston, BC, Canada Age: 37 Posts: 83 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Wahh wahh. Buy a vehicle actually worth something. The reality of it is s13's are 20 years old and not exactly rare.

01-17-2012, 11:10 AM	#12
kalypso123 (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: New York, NY Posts: 2,853 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	honestly, I wouldnt stress over it. I don't plan on getting into accidents, I drive like a sane human being.

01-17-2012, 11:31 AM	#14
wonpoo Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: in 1999-Ville Posts: 334 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	only reason people complain about the value is because they wanna resell it at ta higher value then what is established as normal purchasing price after the car is driven off the lot after it was made 20 years ago. __________________

01-17-2012, 11:36 AM	#15
drift freaq R.I.P. Aya, always love Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Los Feliz/Hollywood Posts: 18,562 Trader Rating: (215) Rides Gallery: drift freaq Feedback Score: 215 reviews	KBB is off on lots of cars. its not just 240's. Seriously the only thing KBB has ever been good for is a bargaining chip on purchasing. In that sense you don't want it to rise. Oh and most insurance companies do things based on ACV these days. Which is a combination of what the cars sell for real market value and cost of actual replacement parts to fix. I collected $2700 out of my previous 93.5 G20 when it got wrecked and the blue book on those things is in the trash can. __________________ "Having a lot of tracks on a song is like putting stickers on a car to get more horsepower" New Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uebV1OnbRsw Buy my mounts! http://zilvia.net/f/sale-items/51531...ns-mounts.html http://zilvia.net/f/tech-talk/317539...e-mouts-6.html

01-17-2012, 11:40 AM	#17
wonpoo Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: in 1999-Ville Posts: 334 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	i want prices to stay low i seen automatic S14's try to sell for $8000 local that is bullshit! __________________

01-17-2012, 11:40 AM	#18
deathrace2000 Zilvia Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Missouri Age: 36 Posts: 151 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Value systems are foolish. An automobile is worth only what someone will pay for it. __________________ *irony.cc*

01-17-2012, 12:07 PM	#19
Brentbohn Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: minnesota Age: 44 Posts: 357 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	you all are missing the point... kbb is potentially going to cost you money down the road.... for some retarded reason all dealerships and potential buyers look at that site to gauge their offers __________________ Wanted: Good well mannered athletic woman with her own classic or sports car.... send photo of car

01-17-2012, 12:14 PM	#20
RandallSharp Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Ohio Age: 32 Posts: 183 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	What if we just all love our cars so much that we're not considering selling them? __________________ 1991 240sx Hatch Daily'd!

01-17-2012, 12:21 PM	#21
xoxide Post Whore! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Jacksonville Posts: 2,807 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	Actually most dealerships use nada.com now. Kbb is outdated.

01-17-2012, 12:25 PM	#22
fckillerbee Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern California Age: 39 Posts: 4,266 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	KBB doesn't buy cars. Nor do they sell cars. They are a reference guide. Almost like looking on ebay to find out how much your car is worth. awesome thread.

01-17-2012, 01:39 PM	#23
BOROSUN Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: two legit to quit Age: 43 Posts: 5,236 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Just wait 40 yrs then sell it. It better be worth more than a ft86 or I'm gonna be pissed.

01-17-2012, 02:33 PM	#24
andrew600 ill tongue punch her fart box Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: bethalto, il Age: 34 Posts: 1,221 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	best thread ive seen in days. i vote my car is worth 4 cows, 2 goats, 5 chickens, and a toothless whore for hummers whenever i want. if this option is on there i will sign the pet.

01-17-2012, 02:49 PM	#25
DreamN Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: SoCal - 818 Age: 39 Posts: 10,692 Trader Rating: (54) Rides Gallery: DreamN Feedback Score: 54 reviews	lol this thread brings a smile to my face. __________________ - Jimmy Wanted: TBD For Sale: TBD

01-17-2012, 02:51 PM	#26
tukn9s Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: mn Posts: 98 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Blame the drifters

01-17-2012, 02:57 PM	#27
jefferz Zilvia Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: new jersey Age: 35 Posts: 218 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	kbb list like rust bucket 240's for like a 500 bucks good condition maybe a 1k DRIFT tax raised the price on dirty s13's ive never paid more then 500 for an s13. i've had more then a few people who want 3k for a s13 there on crack __________________ S13 Coupe, S14 Kouki Crew Chief jeff Jones Racing

01-17-2012, 03:09 PM	#29
badbob2121 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: St. Louis Age: 36 Posts: 1,261 Trader Rating: (7) Rides Gallery: badbob2121 Feedback Score: 7 reviews	My s13 KBB's at $1480 any takers? lol __________________ FOLLOW ME ON INSTAGRAM = BOBBY_LS13

01-17-2012, 06:16 PM	#30
koenig Leaky Injector Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Seattle, Wa Age: 33 Posts: 102 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Yeah, the price of bone stock s13's is out of control. I got mine earlier this year with lots of upgrades for $2200, but I was looking for a long time before I found it. These fools who are putting up their stock s13's with quarter panel damage and rust for 3500 are not realizing that the cost gets driven up by upgrades. coils, 5 lug, lsd's, motor swaps, cages, etc. 'tis ridiculous.