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RalliartRsX · 10-14-2019, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Corbic

Which is not at all what Rallifart is saying.

It goes along with what I, Turkey and everyone else is saying.

Kurds are instigating trouble to draw the US into Syria and Turkey in hopes of getting us to give them a homeland.

Why would the Kurds do this?? Within hours of trumps withdrawal Turkey started the invasions and the slaughter began immediately.

Why would the Kurds partake in the genocide of their people to draw the US into Syria?? More so, to draw the US into Syria and pull support from themselves?? The same US which the Kurds stood side by side with the US in the fight of ISIS?? Wouldn't the Kurds, with the US as thier Ally prior to trump, be in a much better position to chode thr US into having the US reclaim the land for the Kurds??

So they wait until trump withdrawals............to try to bring the US back into Syria?? How in the world does that make any sense??

Erdogan has said, even before all this, he wanted to essentially clear the lands of the Kurds and essentially claim it as his own. Nothing to do with the Kurds "instigating". Everything to do with the Oppressive regime of Turkey and wanted to dominate land. Without the US, the kurds would be whipped off the face of the planet.........which is currently exactly what is happening.

Why would the kurds take such steps to essentially commit mass genocide of it's own people?? Corbic, think about that for a sec.

Corbic · 10-14-2019, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

Why would the Kurds do this?? Within hours of trumps withdrawal Turkey started the invasions and the slaughter began immediately.

Why would the Kurds partake in the genocide of their people to draw the US into Syria?? More so, to draw the US into Syria and pull support from themselves?? The same US which the Kurds stood side by side with the US in the fight of ISIS?? Wouldn't the Kurds, with the US as thier Ally prior to trump, be in a much better position to chode thr US into having the US reclaim the land for the Kurds??

So they wait until trump withdrawals............to try to bring the US back into Syria?? How in the world does that make any sense??

Erdogan has said, even before all this, he wanted to essentially clear the lands of the Kurds and essentially claim it as his own. Nothing to do with the Kurds "instigating". Everything to do with the Oppressive regime of Turkey and wanted to dominate land. Without the US, the kurds would be whipped off the face of the planet.........which is currently exactly what is happening.

Why would the kurds take such steps to essentially commit mass genocide of it's own people?? Corbic, think about that for a sec.

Again, stop with the nonsense Rhetoric.

What is the solution you think you have?

RalliartRsX · 10-14-2019, 10:09 PM

Thank you for addressing the gapping hole in your argument and time and time again, failing to answer any of my question

The solution: not leave the Kurds to get whipped off the face of the earth....

You should probably keep yelling at the sky lol

lewisfk · 10-15-2019, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Corbic

Which is not at all what Rallifart is saying.

It goes along with what I, Turkey and everyone else is saying.

Kurds are instigating trouble to draw the US into Syria and Turkey in hopes of getting us to give them a homeland.

Kurds are not instigating anything, they got left to the wolves. Under this administration the Kurds are nothing but a pawn, used and left to die. The POTUS even questioned if the Kurds are a true alley, because they didn't help fight in WWII. Please let that sink in, the Kurd didn't have a country until 1992.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/14...yal-kissinger/

rvns14 · 10-15-2019, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by S14rebuild

Anyone?........ignore this too?

Couple days old, working, etc...

Violent crime dropped in the 90s, after Roe v. Wade.

Culturally, gun ownership is ending on its own like smoking.

And, pro tip, dont befriend war criminals (ellen).

S14rebuild · 10-15-2019, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rvns14

Couple days old, working, etc...

Violent crime dropped in the 90s, after Roe v. Wade.

Culturally, gun ownership is ending on its own like smoking.

And, pro tip, dont befriend war criminals (ellen).

Gun ownership is higher more now then ever...i dont know where ur gettn ur facts from

lewisfk · 10-15-2019, 05:24 PM

Here you go. There are many more examples. Gun sales are going down, they will only go up if a Democrat wins the Presidency. The NRA will use fear to increase sales.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081

S14rebuild · 10-15-2019, 05:28 PM

^glad this guy uses the bbc to report on US information....seems legit.

lewisfk · 10-15-2019, 06:02 PM

^^ Actually the data came from Pew Research, you can see their name located on the bottom lefts of the graph. Pew Research is well known for its statistical data and its authenticity!

Corbic · 10-15-2019, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

The solution: not leave the Kurds to get whipped off the face of the earth....

What does that even mean. That is not an actionable plan. That is like saying "I support education and think kids should be smart" - that has no policy or action behind it.

How do you "not leave the kurds"? What does that look like.

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Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

You should probably keep yelling at the sky lol

I don't think you understand what that phrase even means.

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Originally Posted by lewisfk

Kurds are not instigating anything, they got left to the wolves. Under this administration the Kurds are nothing but a pawn, used and left to die. The POTUS even questioned if the Kurds are a true alley, because they didn't help fight in WWII. Please let that sink in, the Kurd didn't have a country until 1992.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/14...yal-kissinger/

I literally covered everything in that article.

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Originally Posted by lewisfk

Kurds are not instigating anything, they got left to the wolves.

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Originally Posted by FP Article

Starting in mid-1962, the Shah of Iran ordered his intelligence agency, SAVAK, to help finance the Kurdish insurgency in northern Iraq to undermine the stability of the regime in Baghdad.

Clearly states there is a hundred years of the Kurds fighting insurgencies for independence and flip flopping sides to benefit their own goal. There are plenty of videos and articles about Kurdish raiders murdering Turks and fleeing across the boarder to hide in Syria. Killed over 100 people at a water works facility just recently. Is this all Kurds and Kurdish Paramilitaries? No, but it's enough to blur the lines.

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The history extends back to 1920, when the Kurds, the largest ethnic group in the world not to have a state of their own, were promised autonomy in the Treaty of Sèvres. But the two great powers of the day, Britain and France, reneged in 1923 and carved up the Kurdish territories into modern-day Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria. The Kurds rebelled against this betrayal and were crushed by their new British, French, Iranian, and Turkish colonizers.

Holy Fuck, just like I said!?!

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Originally Posted by Corbic

Ultimately the Kurds want to be an autonomous nation and the only way to do that is to carve out chunks from Turkey, Iran, Syria and Iraq. Go back in time and thank Churchill and the British Empire for this problem.

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Originally Posted by lewisfk

Under this administration the Kurds are nothing but a pawn, used and left to die. The POTUS even questioned if the Kurds are a true alley, because they didn't help fight in WWII

Again, your very own article counters this by saying the Kurds have been a tool for everyone in the region for a hundred years. This has nothing to do with Orange Man Bad.

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Originally Posted by FP Article

However, two close American allies in the region—Israel and Iran—quickly concluded that the Iraqi Kurds were ideological and strategic allies who could be exploited to keep the radical Arab nationalist regime in Baghdad—and its large military—tied down

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That’s why, despite a deep affinity for the Kurds and their cause, the United States has always been clear—to itself, if not always in public—about its reluctance to support Kurdish independence.

So just like the other guy - what is you actual solution.

Are you going to create a Kurd homeland by force? Convince Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey to carve out parts of their countries, give up their regional oil rights, abandon Non-Kurds left behind and recognize a new nation?

Are you going to start conducting retaliatory bombings on Turkey, a NATO member, an EU partner? The poster child for a democratic liberal Islamic nation?

What are you going to do about Syria? Continue supporting various paramilitary quasi terrorist groups to overthrow some dude because he's an asshole? Then what? The country implodes like Libya. Are you going to support Russia and try and end the war and bring stability and law an order back?

Corbic · 10-15-2019, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by lewisfk

Here you go. There are many more examples. Gun sales are going down, they will only go up if a Democrat wins the Presidency. The NRA will use fear to increase sales.

NRA has never once convinced me to do shit. However fucking idiots in congress ranting and raving about taking rifles and AWB and new taxes and import restrictions certainly have.

You need to get into the hobby and community more and you'll understand. Vast majority of us hate the NRA as a bunch of money grabbing limp dicks. The problem is, they are the only civil rights group that stands up for us.

S14rebuild · 10-15-2019, 06:26 PM

https://gunowners.org

lewisfk · 10-15-2019, 06:29 PM

^^ Actually I belong to a local gun group and my current Commanding Officer is a Navy Seal & CIA recruiter here in Austin Texas. We discuss gun rights and politics through the lens of actual boots on ground and force shaping of the U.S. Navy. I'm well aware of the NRA and I became a member when I completed Hunter Safety back in 1996. I slowly lost interest once I joined the military and actual learned how they do business!

Corbic · 10-15-2019, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by lewisfk

Here you go. There are many more examples. Gun sales are going down, they will only go up if a Democrat wins the Presidency. The NRA will use fear to increase sales.

One chart doesn't make an article true. BBC is absolutely a propaganda machine and should be given as much credibility as you would Info Wars.

This is factually wrong. Typical AR pattern rifle is $500 to $800 today. An average 9mm pistol is $550. Only a few ultra trashy pistols retail for $200, think Diamond Back.

I love this shit... OMFG $5 MILLION DOLLARSSSSS

rvns14 · 10-15-2019, 07:16 PM

There are more guns, owned by fewer owners; like 240sxs now, several owners have many.
I also agree, the NRA is a marketing exercise; I support gun owners rights to have guns, but the NRA is bad news and more owners should be members of more responsible groups.

lewisfk · 10-15-2019, 07:59 PM

I call this the Beto Bounce! 2016 was the Hillary effect!

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/30/us-g...ump-slump.html

https://freebeacon.com/issues/monthl...ast-september/

https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/data-statistics

Corbic · 10-16-2019, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rvns14

There are more guns, owned by fewer owners; like 240sxs now, several owners have many.
I also agree, the NRA is a marketing exercise; I support gun owners rights to have guns, but the NRA is bad news and more owners should be members of more responsible groups.

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Originally Posted by lewisfk

I call this the Beto Bounce! 2016 was the Hillary effect!

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/30/us-g...ump-slump.html

https://freebeacon.com/issues/monthl...ast-september/

https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/data-statistics

Already gave up on the Kurds?

lewisfk · 10-16-2019, 12:51 PM

No I did not! I just proved my point with gun sales! To sum this up, the Kurds were left to be slaughter while the POTUS makes up lies justifying troop withdrawal. Republicans are outrage and begging the POTUS to reconsider troop withdrawal. WHY?

Corbic · 10-16-2019, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by lewisfk

No I did not! I just proved my point with gun sales! To sum this up, the Kurds were left to be slaughter while the POTUS makes up lies justifying troop withdrawal. Republicans are out rage and begging the POTUS to reconsider troop withdrawal. WHY?

Military Industrial Complex.

We've covered this multiple times in the last few pages.

So you want Trump to invade Turkey?

lewisfk · 10-16-2019, 01:05 PM

^^What are you talking about? Turkey is invading Syria, because the U.S. left. Russia has taken the helm and directed Turkey not to go beyond 10 kilometers into Syria. If Turkey refuses and continues, this could lead to a bigger war. This will give plenty of time for ISIS to regroup and launch more attacks.

Corbic · 10-16-2019, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by lewisfk

^^What are you talking about? Turkey is invading Syria, because the U.S. left. Russia has taken the helm and directed Turkey not to go beyond 10 kilometers into Syria.

So thr Kurds didn't get abandoned and genocided like you claim.

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Originally Posted by lewisfk

If Turkey refuses and continues, this could lead to a bigger war.

A bigger war not involving the US....

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Originally Posted by lewisfk

This will give plenty of time for ISIS to regroup and launch more attacks.

How?

You just said Russia moved in an secured Syria's boarder.

lewisfk · 10-16-2019, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Corbic

So thr Kurds didn't get abandoned and genocided like you claim.

A bigger war not involving the US....

Turkey is an UN Partner, so yes it involves the U.S.

How?

You just said Russia moved in an secured Syria's boarder.

The top Kurdish General asked the U.S. for help, but when the President let his plea fall on death ears the General reached out to Russia. Now the Russian and Syrian Army will confront Turkey in support of the Kurds. The Kurds just made a deal with the devil to avoid genocide by the hands of Turkish military.

Corbic · 10-16-2019, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by lewisfk

The top Kurdish General asked the U.S. for help, but when the President let his plea fall on death ears the General reached out to Russia.

Had they not plunged their own country into a Civil War seeking independence, they wouldn't have needed anyones help.

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Now the Russian and Syrian Army will confront Turkey in support of the Kurds.

Crisis averted, no America help needed! One step closer to ending hostilities and reuniting Syria!

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Originally Posted by lewisfk

The Kurds just made a deal with the devil to avoid genocide by the hands of Turkish military.

What deal, what devil, what genocide?

By your own accounts, Russia has been the humanitarian savior from the very onset of the way.

The backed civil stability, provided funding, food and medical aid, provided troops and no fly zones and have worked tirelessly to bring resolution and peace.

US has only been shipping weapons to anyone claiming to be a "Freedom fighter", most of which are just straight up terrorists.

Genocide? Turkish paramilitary killed a dozen or so civilian clothed people. No dispute, seen the videos myself....

However, Turkey claims they are part of the Kurdish Terrorist forces who've been wreaking havoc back and forth the Turkish boarder and refusing to end the Civil War.

I posted the actual investigative journalist report showing how the Syrian Gas Attacks where hoaxes designed to get US/Western intervention.

There are also UN reports showing no evidence chemical weapons have ever used in Syria.

You people need to knock off this regime change bullshit already. Assad was an absolute puppy dog compared to countries like China, Brazil and Saudi Arabia. The war has nothing to do with "Freedom and Democracy". It's a drawn out proxy war of Iran, Iraq, Islamists, Israel, US, Russia and the Kurds.

Kurds ain't ever getting a country. They are Syrian Citizens and need to accept that, join the Syrian Military and defend the Syrian boarders.

*exitspeed* · 10-17-2019, 04:07 PM

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/17/us-a...announces.html

"It will be a pause in military operations for 120 hours while the United States facilitates the withdrawal of the YPG from the affected areas in the safe zone. And once that is completed, Turkey has agreed to a permanent cease-fire,"

If this was 2016 and Obama people would be saying he deserves a for a Noble Peace Prize.

feito · 10-17-2019, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by exitspeed

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/17/us-a...announces.html

"It will be a pause in military operations for 120 hours while the United States facilitates the withdrawal of the YPG from the affected areas in the safe zone. And once that is completed, Turkey has agreed to a permanent cease-fire,"

If this was 2016 and Obama people would be saying he deserves a for a Noble Peace Prize.

S14rebuild · 10-17-2019, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by exitspeed

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/17/us-a...announces.html

"It will be a pause in military operations for 120 hours while the United States facilitates the withdrawal of the YPG from the affected areas in the safe zone. And once that is completed, Turkey has agreed to a permanent cease-fire,"

If this was 2016 and Obama people would be saying he deserves a for a Noble Peace Prize.

Yuppp

lewisfk · 10-17-2019, 08:09 PM

First off Obama would of never abandoned an alley. This whole thing stinks like Trump U! Mitt Romney said it best today, Google it!

Corbic · 10-17-2019, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by lewisfk

First off Obama would of never abandoned an alley. This whole thing stinks like Trump U! Mitt Romney said it best today, Google it!

You are full a shit dude.

And now you suddenly give a shit what Mutt Romney says?

lewisfk · 10-18-2019, 09:00 AM

Full of shit, thats your opinion! I'm sorry the President got it wrong and the majority of the Republican Party and Democratic Party is going in on him! How about you don't make policy decisions over tweet, and I'm damn sure this is the reason General Mattis left his administration. General Mattis' speech at the Al Smith dinner was hilarious!

***Future240*** · 10-18-2019, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by exitspeed

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/17/us-a...announces.html

"It will be a pause in military operations for 120 hours while the United States facilitates the withdrawal of the YPG from the affected areas in the safe zone. And once that is completed, Turkey has agreed to a permanent cease-fire,".

If this pans out, got to hand it to him. Great move. War avoided without dragging us into more conflict. Win Win for all.

10-15-2019, 05:24 PM	#487
lewisfk Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2009 Location: North Austin, Texas Age: 43 Posts: 1,163 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	Gun Ownership Here you go. There are many more examples. Gun sales are going down, they will only go up if a Democrat wins the Presidency. The NRA will use fear to increase sales. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081

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exitspeed aWingThing.com Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Age: 44 Posts: 20,900 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/17/us-a...announces.html "It will be a pause in military operations for 120 hours while the United States facilitates the withdrawal of the YPG from the affected areas in the safe zone. And once that is completed, Turkey has agreed to a permanent cease-fire," If this was 2016 and Obama people would be saying he deserves a for a Noble Peace Prize. __________________ What I do for a living...www.mhrussell.com

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RalliartRsX Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 4,791 Trader Rating: (32) Feedback Score: 32 reviews	Thank you for addressing the gapping hole in your argument and time and time again, failing to answer any of my question The solution: not leave the Kurds to get whipped off the face of the earth.... You should probably keep yelling at the sky lol

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S14rebuild BANNED Join Date: May 2019 Location: Florida-FAIL Posts: 2,495 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	^glad this guy uses the bbc to report on US information....seems legit.

10-15-2019, 06:02 PM	#489
lewisfk Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2009 Location: North Austin, Texas Age: 43 Posts: 1,163 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	^^ Actually the data came from Pew Research, you can see their name located on the bottom lefts of the graph. Pew Research is well known for its statistical data and its authenticity!

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S14rebuild BANNED Join Date: May 2019 Location: Florida-FAIL Posts: 2,495 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	https://gunowners.org

10-15-2019, 06:29 PM	#493
lewisfk Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2009 Location: North Austin, Texas Age: 43 Posts: 1,163 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	^^ Actually I belong to a local gun group and my current Commanding Officer is a Navy Seal & CIA recruiter here in Austin Texas. We discuss gun rights and politics through the lens of actual boots on ground and force shaping of the U.S. Navy. I'm well aware of the NRA and I became a member when I completed Hunter Safety back in 1996. I slowly lost interest once I joined the military and actual learned how they do business!

10-15-2019, 07:16 PM	#495
rvns14 Leaky Injector Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Maryland Age: 36 Posts: 87 Trader Rating: (18) Feedback Score: 18 reviews	There are more guns, owned by fewer owners; like 240sxs now, several owners have many. I also agree, the NRA is a marketing exercise; I support gun owners rights to have guns, but the NRA is bad news and more owners should be members of more responsible groups.

10-15-2019, 07:59 PM	#496
lewisfk Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2009 Location: North Austin, Texas Age: 43 Posts: 1,163 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	I call this the Beto Bounce! 2016 was the Hillary effect! https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/30/us-g...ump-slump.html https://freebeacon.com/issues/monthl...ast-september/ https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/data-statistics

10-16-2019, 12:51 PM	#498
lewisfk Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2009 Location: North Austin, Texas Age: 43 Posts: 1,163 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	No I did not! I just proved my point with gun sales! To sum this up, the Kurds were left to be slaughter while the POTUS makes up lies justifying troop withdrawal. Republicans are outrage and begging the POTUS to reconsider troop withdrawal. WHY?

10-16-2019, 01:05 PM	#500
lewisfk Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2009 Location: North Austin, Texas Age: 43 Posts: 1,163 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	^^What are you talking about? Turkey is invading Syria, because the U.S. left. Russia has taken the helm and directed Turkey not to go beyond 10 kilometers into Syria. If Turkey refuses and continues, this could lead to a bigger war. This will give plenty of time for ISIS to regroup and launch more attacks.

10-17-2019, 08:09 PM	#507
lewisfk Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2009 Location: North Austin, Texas Age: 43 Posts: 1,163 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	First off Obama would of never abandoned an alley. This whole thing stinks like Trump U! Mitt Romney said it best today, Google it!

10-18-2019, 09:00 AM	#509
lewisfk Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2009 Location: North Austin, Texas Age: 43 Posts: 1,163 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	Full of shit, thats your opinion! I'm sorry the President got it wrong and the majority of the Republican Party and Democratic Party is going in on him! How about you don't make policy decisions over tweet, and I'm damn sure this is the reason General Mattis left his administration. General Mattis' speech at the Al Smith dinner was hilarious!