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tknbkthrsdy4anfg · 02-01-2007, 10:15 PM

Yea exactly, who wants to be able to breath in 10 years?

cmcdougle · 02-01-2007, 10:21 PM

I'd pay $400 to get mine legal. If my car were legal, that would be way more than enough to convince me not to sell it.

rb25crazy · 02-01-2007, 10:33 PM

man this is bad ass! how long is this gonna take before you can get the ball rolling with an actual certificate and the price for this incredible service? this is the only thing stopping me from going rb or sr also.

coreansurfer · 02-01-2007, 10:45 PM

ill let you guys use my car as a test car for the certification

tknbkthrsdy4anfg · 02-01-2007, 10:49 PM

I dont know exactly how long its going to take.
The current issue is whether we can partially carryover the cert from the USDM SR20DE even though it is front wheel drive.
EDIT: and non turbo
From the numbers that Rockout gave me its not too far off from my KA, but its not that easy
it has to go through a more stringent test then just a sniffer like I said before...
I compiled some data but its pretty basic and readily available, like bore, stroke hp, that kinda stuff
if anyone has any technical info about the nitty gritty diferences between the red's blacks 14's and FWD DE's that would be great!

cmcdougle · 02-01-2007, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by coreansurfer

ill let you guys use my car as a test car for the certification

You can use mine, too. I have an RB20DET in my S14. It will be pushing 300rwhp in about a month (I'm hoping), so I don't know if you can use it still. LMK, if it isn't going to be too long, I might wait on the upgrades.

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Originally Posted by tknbkthrsdy4anfg

I dont know exactly how long its going to take.
The current issue is whether we can partially carryover the cert from the USDM SR20DE even though it is front wheel drive.

I wouldn't think it would make a difference, being front wheel drive. the drivetrain doesn't change the emissions!

tknbkthrsdy4anfg · 02-01-2007, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmcdougle

I wouldn't think it would make a difference, being front wheel drive. the drivetrain doesn't change the emissions!

The problem is some things (I dont know them) are different between the two SR's. also the USDM SR has an EGR

Wei240 · 02-01-2007, 11:26 PM

you can find alot in sr fsm's in terms of exact numbers, i've only seen the one for s14 and s15, i don't think i've seen s13's in english...,
obviously fwd sr's, you can get fsm readily available here

motonagam · 02-02-2007, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by tknbkthrsdy4anfg

Philthy- An EGR is just one means Nissan used to cut emissions, just like a catalyst or air injection. Under a CARB e.o., if the car passes tail pipe emissions it will not need it. There are plenty of cars without Exhaust Gas Recirculation that will pass smog.

Not specific to Nissans, but some cars that do not have EGR uses variable cam timing of the exhaust cam as EGR... it advances the exhaust cam timing so the exhaust valves close sooner during the exhaust stroke, thus trapping some of the exhaust gas in the cylinder for its next combustion cycle.

BOROSUN · 02-02-2007, 01:40 AM

so, if i get my car cert. tested and now 2 yrs has passed, i need smog. do i just show the smog tech the cert. papers or is it already on the system, showing up as sr?

NISMO240SXSE1 · 02-02-2007, 09:08 AM

I want to sr my car as well but the legal issues are stopping me,not money issues. This IS my daily driver so I'd hate to always be tripping about getting stopped. Fuck it if my ka project fails I'll probably swap it anyways.

g6civcx · 02-02-2007, 10:20 AM

This thread is great. Keep up the good work and fight the system.

I'm leaving the SR for the LSx platform, and this is one of the primary reasons for my doing so.

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Originally Posted by sr20drifter1

I live in VA and I have a '98 blacktop S13 Sr20det. I took it to a gas station to have it inspected. It failed the first time.When they changed the O2 sensor, it passed without any problem. I always take my car to the same guys to have it inspected.I'm completly street legal.

With all due respect, you are incorrect. VA has a very strange way of interpreting the legal code. "Standard make" should mean "OEM-equivalent"; however, the police and courts interpret the term to mean "originally equipped from the factory".

I'm in the same boat as you are though. We pass state inspection with no problems, but our cars are still not federally legal.

I hope we could have a more intelligent legal system, but that would be asking for too much.

delphis · 02-04-2007, 03:58 PM

well if you need a test subject for the sr20de jdm rwd version I have one in my car. I am currently running a slightly janky setup though, but soon I should be running it with all the stock ecu and everything that the car is suppose to run with.

currently I am running the sr20de with the ka24e ecu and a janky wiring harness but I will be replacing it with the full stock sr20de setup in the next month or so. So I will be glad to be a test subject at your facility and I live in antioch and work in berkeley. I would love to get this dcone because I have to some how legally smog it by the end of feb.

HKsilvia · 02-04-2007, 04:40 PM

to tknbkthrsdy4anfg (dang ur name is hard to spell...jk) :
u are a hero that giving us SRdet owners light from the dark. thank you for doing such project no matter it will succeed or not.
i can give you all my support available on achieving SR legal task, im using a S15 engine and im glad to use it to help u as a test subject. i even have the FSM available. and if you can really get SRs certified, i would definitely pay to certified it. im getting really sick of CA cops popping hood issue on all other zilvilians and such. i bet our SRs have better emittion than hot rod!!
sry for my poor grammer just want to know i will give you my full support. pm me if u need help and keep us update!!!

!Zar! · 02-04-2007, 08:32 PM

Just make sure to do the sr20det's... And nothing gay like a sr20de.

Even if emissions parts need to be made it would still be worth it.

If you can come through with what you say you want to do my daily will be fun.

billgerth · 02-04-2007, 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HKsilvia

to tknbkthrsdy4anfg (dang ur name is hard to spell...jk) :
u are a hero that giving us SRdet owners light from the dark. thank you for doing such project no matter it will succeed or not.
i can give you all my support available on achieving SR legal task, im using a S15 engine and im glad to use it to help u as a test subject. i even have the FSM available. and if you can really get SRs certified, i would definitely pay to certified it. im getting really sick of CA cops popping hood issue on all other zilvilians and such. i bet our SRs have better emittion than hot rod!!
sry for my poor grammer just want to know i will give you my full support. pm me if u need help and keep us update!!!

werd. despite the fact that there are a ton of dreamers and/or cheap asses on here who would rather deal with smog every 2 years, this thread obviously proves there are a significant amount of people interested.

keep it up tkn. this if for all of us who know this can be done, we've only needed someone with the resources and ambitions to get the ball rollin

tknbkthrsdy4anfg · 02-05-2007, 02:14 AM

Hey everyone, sorry I havent been on in a while, i've been out doing stuff including rolling my fenders (wow that was a pain in the ass) and almost getting killed passing douchebags in accords on the touges around the napa valley.
So, here is what I am thinking, the FWD SR20DE in the state of CA's eyes is close enough to a RWD SR20DET to give us a little leway with the state. It should not be that hard getting it to pass (we have our own inhouse piggyback ecu and tons of experience using map tuning to pass smog) and the DET is close enough already that all I really need is the support. I am glad that a bunch of you have written, I am going to use this to help support my case. Because basically if I did the swap myself, I have the resourses to get mine legalized. but whoop dee doo, that doesnt do anything for the community of people that are driving LEGIT imports. So, I really want this to happen for the benefit of the 240sx community, but also to better the name of import drivers in general, and to rub it in the face of cops who harass us. Also, dont we all dream of making a name for our selves?
My arguements to take to my boss are:

*The SR20DE has been legalized in CA, it's probably close enough in the states eyes to not have to do the really indepth test. (Lots of time and $)
*There is enough interest in doing this, that for his business it could make some profit. (Obviously a good reason to start a project)
*The SR20DET is close enough sniffer wise that it shouldnt be that hard (I have someone's numbers from Nevada that are cleaner then my KA)
*I have inside, personal interest in this project (otherwise he wouldnt care)

Sorry if this doesnt makes sense, Im coming down hard off a redbull/ adrenaline/ warming up cause i've been chillin out side for two hours and its 32 degrees outside/ I almost died tonight rush.
But I really hope this works

EDIT: Is Touge Instinct a name of a crew? cause I came up with that as my excuse for passing the accord. I was thinking about what to say and this is my line "He was driving like a douche infront of me and my touge instinct kicked in and I just had to pass him, How was I to know that as soon as we got wheel to wheel a car would be coming the other way?"

coreansurfer · 02-05-2007, 04:17 AM

is there any hope for us rb people?

Flybert · 02-05-2007, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tknbkthrsdy4anfg

EDIT: Is Touge Instinct a name of a crew? cause I came up with that as my excuse for passing the accord. I was thinking about what to say and this is my line "He was driving like a douche infront of me and my touge instinct kicked in and I just had to pass him, How was I to know that as soon as we got wheel to wheel a car would be coming the other way?"

Can you leave stupid bullshit like this out of this thread? Less wannabe initial D BS and more legalizing SR powered 240's.

HKsilvia · 02-05-2007, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tknbkthrsdy4anfg

EDIT: Is Touge Instinct a name of a crew? cause I came up with that as my excuse for passing the accord. I was thinking about what to say and this is my line "He was driving like a douche infront of me and my touge instinct kicked in and I just had to pass him, How was I to know that as soon as we got wheel to wheel a car would be coming the other way?"

i think it just because u want to pass him or it just pop up in your mind all of your sudden, but i got ur point, it happes. btw, maybe ur new to this forum, a lot of ppl here are really reactive with word like touge/mouhtain pass/initial D etc. so yea... beware.

tknbkthrsdy4anfg · 02-05-2007, 05:00 PM

Flybert- Sorry man I was a little strung out last night
Starting wednesday Im going to be working on this project a little harder.
Yes I am new, I've only known what forums were for like 3 months
Corean Surfer- One step at a time...

coreansurfer · 02-05-2007, 05:53 PM

^^not trying to rush you, just want to make sure were not forgotten

McRussellPants · 02-05-2007, 06:22 PM

SR passes TXs emmissons without a cat better than KAs with all the emmisions shit do.

This thread makes me want to do laps around a national park on leaded gas and a 9:1 A/F.

I can do laps around the police station open downpipe and cops don't care, enviroment can eat whatevers underneath the sink for all I care.

S13Disco · 02-05-2007, 07:10 PM

Legal SR would be NICE!!!!!! I drive my car daily so yea i always have to change routes because of cops and them setting up their surprise smog stations on the side of the road!! I HATE THOSE!!!! I have and S13 Redtop. Ill pay!!!

tknbkthrsdy4anfg · 02-05-2007, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McRussellPants

SR passes TXs emmissons without a cat better than KAs with all the emmisions shit do.

This thread makes me want to do laps around a national park on leaded gas and a 9:1 A/F.

I can do laps around the police station open downpipe and cops don't care, enviroment can eat whatevers underneath the sink for all I care.

Wow... I dont know what to say.
Disco- They actually do that?!? I have just heard they did that in the 80's and it was an urban legend now!

FusionR240sx · 02-05-2007, 09:34 PM

i'll give you $300 to make mine pass...

OBDII car OBD-0 motor...

EchoOfSilence · 02-06-2007, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tknbkthrsdy4anfg

Wow... I dont know what to say.
Disco- They actually do that?!? I have just heard they did that in the 80's and it was an urban legend now!

no, cali had that shit rolling recently, don't know about now though

98koukile · 02-06-2007, 03:58 PM

In Mass the scan your VIN number into the computer and everything like requirements comes up on the screen, there's no way around it because everyone who does emissions needs to use the same computer. Is there anyway this cert will help something like that?

tknbkthrsdy4anfg · 02-06-2007, 06:40 PM

Yes, with the certification a label is placed underhood that over rules what the computer says.
similar to this

But will instead say engine family SR20DET (or whatever the emissions technical name is)
emissions controls, AIV, CATALYST, O2 Sensor etc...
But it will also have the name of our shop and contact information if there is a problem, And obviously not be from Nissan.

Aoshi112 · 02-06-2007, 07:44 PM

I'd be willing to pay up to $500, maybe a bit more to have a smog legal SR powered S13.

02-01-2007, 10:21 PM	#62
cmcdougle Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Irvine, CA Posts: 1,361 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'd pay $400 to get mine legal. If my car were legal, that would be way more than enough to convince me not to sell it. __________________

02-04-2007, 04:40 PM	#74
HKsilvia Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: around the corners Age: 40 Posts: 354 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	to tknbkthrsdy4anfg (dang ur name is hard to spell...jk) : u are a hero that giving us SRdet owners light from the dark. thank you for doing such project no matter it will succeed or not. i can give you all my support available on achieving SR legal task, im using a S15 engine and im glad to use it to help u as a test subject. i even have the FSM available. and if you can really get SRs certified, i would definitely pay to certified it. im getting really sick of CA cops popping hood issue on all other zilvilians and such. i bet our SRs have better emittion than hot rod!! sry for my poor grammer just want to know i will give you my full support. pm me if u need help and keep us update!!! __________________ forum 101 - be supportive

02-04-2007, 08:32 PM	#75
!Zar! Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,579 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	Just make sure to do the sr20det's... And nothing gay like a sr20de. Even if emissions parts need to be made it would still be worth it. If you can come through with what you say you want to do my daily will be fun. __________________

02-06-2007, 03:58 PM	#88
98koukile Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Western Mass Age: 37 Posts: 949 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	In Mass the scan your VIN number into the computer and everything like requirements comes up on the screen, there's no way around it because everyone who does emissions needs to use the same computer. Is there anyway this cert will help something like that? __________________ Just talking about cars, one at a time Horsepower sells cars torque wins races -Shelby

02-01-2007, 10:33 PM	#63
rb25crazy Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: cali Age: 38 Posts: 1,024 Trader Rating: (14) Feedback Score: 14 reviews	man this is bad ass! how long is this gonna take before you can get the ball rolling with an actual certificate and the price for this incredible service? this is the only thing stopping me from going rb or sr also.

02-01-2007, 11:26 PM	#68
Wei240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: socal Posts: 1,778 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	you can find alot in sr fsm's in terms of exact numbers, i've only seen the one for s14 and s15, i don't think i've seen s13's in english..., obviously fwd sr's, you can get fsm readily available here

02-02-2007, 01:40 AM	#70
BOROSUN Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: two legit to quit Age: 43 Posts: 5,236 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	so, if i get my car cert. tested and now 2 yrs has passed, i need smog. do i just show the smog tech the cert. papers or is it already on the system, showing up as sr?

02-02-2007, 09:08 AM	#71
NISMO240SXSE1 Leaky Injector Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Bay Area Age: 50 Posts: 86 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I want to sr my car as well but the legal issues are stopping me,not money issues. This IS my daily driver so I'd hate to always be tripping about getting stopped. Fuck it if my ka project fails I'll probably swap it anyways.

02-04-2007, 03:58 PM	#73
delphis Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: antioch Age: 41 Posts: 312 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	well if you need a test subject for the sr20de jdm rwd version I have one in my car. I am currently running a slightly janky setup though, but soon I should be running it with all the stock ecu and everything that the car is suppose to run with. currently I am running the sr20de with the ka24e ecu and a janky wiring harness but I will be replacing it with the full stock sr20de setup in the next month or so. So I will be glad to be a test subject at your facility and I live in antioch and work in berkeley. I would love to get this dcone because I have to some how legally smog it by the end of feb.

02-05-2007, 06:22 PM	#83
McRussellPants Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Austin, Tx Posts: 2,168 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	SR passes TXs emmissons without a cat better than KAs with all the emmisions shit do. This thread makes me want to do laps around a national park on leaded gas and a 9:1 A/F. I can do laps around the police station open downpipe and cops don't care, enviroment can eat whatevers underneath the sink for all I care.

02-05-2007, 07:10 PM	#84
S13Disco Zilvia Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: RIALTO, CA Posts: 177 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Legal SR would be NICE!!!!!! I drive my car daily so yea i always have to change routes because of cops and them setting up their surprise smog stations on the side of the road!! I HATE THOSE!!!! I have and S13 Redtop. Ill pay!!!

02-06-2007, 07:44 PM	#90
Aoshi112 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Cali Posts: 620 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	I'd be willing to pay up to $500, maybe a bit more to have a smog legal SR powered S13.