Minister Jones

[bb4_96]

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama is exhorting a Florida minister to "listen to those better angels" and call off his plan to engage in a Quran-burning protest this weekend.
Obama told ABC's "Good Morning America" in an interview aired Thursday that he hopes the Rev. Terry Jones of Florida listens to the pleas of people who have asked him to call off the plan. The president called it a "stunt."
"If he's listening, I hope he understands that what he's proposing to do is completely contrary to our values as Americans," Obama said. "That this country has been built on the notion of freedom and religious tolerance."
"And as a very practical matter, I just want him to understand that this stunt that he is talking about pulling could greatly endanger our young men and women who are in uniform," the president added.
Said Obama: "Look, this is a recruitment bonanza for Al Qaida. You could have serious violence in places like Pakistan and Afghanistan." The president also said Jones' plan, if carried out, could serve as an incentive for terrorist-minded individuals "to blow themselves up" to kill others.
"I hope he listens to those better angels and understands that this is a destructive act that he's engaging in," the president said of Jones.

I don't think the minister in question is very widely followed but he most definitely is a jackass for threatening to pull this stunt. And all this right before I go to Bagram? Just what i need... to get shelled a little harder, i guess.

[Phlip]

I blogged about this yesterday...

The guy has a 50-member congregation is apparently playing the "no publicity is bad publicity" card, and is being egregiously disrespectful in doing so.

[GabeS14]

Wouldn't it be funny if him and his congregation got
Jumped by a larger group right before they started that nonsense?

It's kinda like the small group of idiots that go to riots just to start the violence or the looting!

That kind of shit
Pisses me off.

The worst thing is that it ends up attracting weak minded and oportunists that join in on the "fun" without thinking about the consequences.

I wonder if there isn't a military base near that area? If I was in that area I would definitley put a group together to sabotage their plan, Lock them
Inside the church. Lol board it up!!
Lmao
Or just soak their Korans in water so they couldn't burn them.,.,


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[kingkilburn]

Call in the national guard to put down the "riot".

Better yet arrest them all for domestic terrorism.

[HalveBlue]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

Call in the national guard to put down the "riot".

Better yet arrest them all for domestic terrorism.

Why?

While I don't agree with what this group is doing, I do feel that they are within their rights to do so.

[yokotas13]

guy is an idiot
but he has the right to do what he is doing.
however, doesnt mean its right to do so.

i hope he catches on fire when he does it

[kingkilburn]

They are within their rights to say they don't like Islam but public burning of the Koran is a hate crime(because of the message they attach with the burning) with the goal of inducing fear.

Sounds like terrorism to me.

[s13bert]

+1 on him catching on fire, but this dude is tripping out, he is commiting a hate crime....

[yokotas13]

its spelled Qur'an ....jesus

[ESmorz]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

They are within their rights to say they don't like Islam but public burning of the Koran is a hate crime(because of the message they attach with the burning) with the goal of inducing fear.

Sounds like terrorism to me.

So if I burn Justin Bieber dolls while yelling you suck with a few friends, is that a hate crime?

Or does that book get special treatment?

[JAtl]

^^they have been burning flags for a while, i'll give you that one...but as Americans, we are supposed to be the bigger person, not stoop down to the depths of our enemies tactics. I can only imagine what type of reaction and consequences the American society will have to endure if this minister goes through with his plans, not only from Muslim/Islamic people, but our Allied Nations as well. I'm currently deployed in the Middle East, and the people whom practice that religion also occupy this base. They serve our food, clean our buildings, have an active military along with their pos jets...they are everywhere. There is not a day when i'm walking home that I don't see a host country national. Hopefully he will listen to the pleads of our President, many Generals, and the majority of the American people and stop the madness.

[5pecialist]

Why is Obama getting involved in such a minor issue? What a douche.

[JAtl]

Originally Posted by ESmorz

So if I burn Justin Bieber dolls while yelling you suck with a few friends, is that a hate crime?

Or does that book get special treatment?

WTF?!?! how does Justin Bieber compare to the Qur'an. Of course the book gets special treatment...its their equvilant to the Bible...so that is in turn 'hating' on a certain religion

[GabeS14]

It's ok to spell Koran or Kuran.
Those are the common accepted ways to
Translate it around the world.
It's even in wikipidia


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[JAtl]

Originally Posted by 5pecialist

Why is Obama getting involved in such a minor issue? What a douche.

you call this minor? I'll call you ignorant then, watch the news and read up on this issue some more. You'll see what kind of unrest this 'minor issue' has caused in Afganistan.

[kingkilburn]

Originally Posted by yokotas13

its spelled Qur'an ....jesus

Given that Arabic does not use the same alphabet as English there are many different ways to spell most words from it in English.

[S14DB]

They just canceled it.

Now pastor Jones is going to NYC to talk with the people about the center being built near ground zero...

[kingkilburn]

Originally Posted by ESmorz

So if I burn Justin Bieber dolls while yelling you suck with a few friends, is that a hate crime?

Or does that book get special treatment?

Justin Bieber is one person. You can say what you want about the guy in public, within reason(lest you be sued for slander/defamation).


The Koran is a physical manifestation of a religion, culture, and people.

[yokotas13]

Originally Posted by GabeS14

It's ok to spell Koran or Kuran.
Those are the common accepted ways to
Translate it around the world.
It's even in wikipidia


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tell that to a saudi, pakistani, or anyone in the area

ill take what a native says over wikipedia. i work with them everyday lol

[kingkilburn]

That may be the accepted spelling there but there is no "proper" spelling of the word. It's like Maoh Se Tung or Ghengis Khan.

[Brian]

Originally Posted by 5pecialist

Why is Obama getting involved in such a minor issue? What a douche.

Because the media made it into something huge and now it's a serious problem. You know damn well they will have a lot to report on and a lot of ratings if somebody gets hurt over this.

[smellslikecurry]

You guys are both sort of right. Us, Muslims prefer to spell it as "Quran" but Koran is acceptable as well. We just never spell it that way.

[GabeS14]

Originally Posted by yokotas13

tell that to a saudi, pakistani, or anyone in the area

ill take what a native says over wikipedia. i work with them everyday lol

so its easier just to use the translation word..
Everytime I read about it, in american books it was spelled Koran.
example:

[ESmorz]

Originally Posted by JAtl

WTF?!?! how does Justin Bieber compare to the Qur'an. Of course the book gets special treatment...its their equvilant to the Bible...so that is in turn 'hating' on a certain religion

But why is hating that book any worse than hating Justin Bieber? Just because there are more of them? There are scores of young girls who know more about him and in a sense love him more than their lord and savior.

Religion... special treatment... blah blah. Burn some Justin Bieber booklets.

I know this is an argument I can't win.

[Otto347]

Originally Posted by ESmorz

Or does that book get special treatment?

Bingo, people burn shit like this all the time. What makes this so different?

Only logical thing I can think of is the extremists that are involved in this would do something about it or use this for propaganda videos to help fuel the fire for hate against the US.

Either way I could give a fuck what this guy does, hoooray to you sir for having the balls to carry this out.

Originally Posted by Brian

Because the media made it into something huge and now it's a serious problem.

This too, if the media would have left this alone no one would have cared except the 16 people that go to this guys church.

[GabeS14]

Originally Posted by Otto347

Bingo, people burn shit like this all the time. What makes this so different?.

because yes, it could mean more deaths of american soldiers, trust me I always thought of burning the Iraq flag and other country's when they would do it, but in this case we are ocupying their country now so it puts our fellow soldiers at a greater risk.

[TheWolf]

Originally Posted by S14DB

They just canceled it.

Now pastor Jones is going to NYC to talk with the people about the center being built near ground zero...

No the muslims "lied" to him. They agreed to "talk" but didn't agree to "move"


Our actions are what determine how we're perceived. Our actions are how we're measured. Words have become frivolous.


"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire

Ok being that we're like 40 minutes from this dude, I've got to say people are seriously taking this to far and it's getting like 24/7 incessant news coverage locally. Some local civil rights waste of resources is going to "citizens arrest" him. Liberals are going to run in there with fire extinguishers. It has the ability to turn into a real shit storm/ kent campus event.

Here's the thing. According to the website which is now down for reasons I'll say later, this is the nut of it according to him.

"We are a private church, on private land, burning books bought with our own money in a private service." -Jones

This is america and personally while I don't agree with what he is doing, I think it's his god given right to do whatever he wants and action wise; that is all that is happening. 50 guys are going to burn some books. It's not that they're tar and feathering muslims or burning crosses in their yards or talking about killing them all and driving their nation into the sea like iran does. There's no "The only good muslim is a dead one" hate speech going on. What is going on? Some christian extremists are burning books to get back on the holy war declared by muslim extremists. That's all. It's a protest. maybe they'll storm mosques next and do "sit in's" like 60's hippies.

Now rackspace has pulled their websites off line as "burning the koran" is "hatespeech" and doesn't fit their TOS. Meh. I've seen worse "hatespeech" on here then that. I think it's poor business to censor ones page on the internet by claiming a stretched view of the truth.

So now the real question is where do all the violent actions come from?

THE MUSLIMS!

Tolerance is a two way street. If you've seen the reports, they're the ones already starting trouble over just the "threat" of this event. If anyone needs a case of STFU it's them. How one idiot in florida with 50 friends burning some books can "incite a nation" is beyond me. If they're that easily baitable then every US soldier needs a koran and a box of matches. Find the militant by lighting one. If anything, maybe it'd help win that stupid ass ridiculous war they are pretending to fight over there.

Needless, they are the intolerant ones. They are the ones who want the world to get sensitivity training by pretending to be victims of their own violence. Be polite, no cartoons of mohammed, no burnt korans, society to conform to their dress code. etc etc. and if you don't then they'll riot, kill, break stuff and in general act like retarded savages. Tolerance is something they need to figure out and get over it if they want to share this planet with other people. Live and let live. If you disrupt that balance then it becomes kill or be killed and it seems that the muslim extremists, well that's all they want.

Personally, I'm tired of the whole muslim thing. It's played out worse "hella flush". There's always something whether it's a southpark episode, a cartoon, a book, a news story, etc etc that goes against "insert dumb religious excuse" that we feel it's ok to kill/mame/blow up the person/company who did it. It's not just a select few, it's nations of people. Screw it. Welcome to earth, we all don't get along. Sorry Rodney King. So we have to put up with things we don't like but I think the planet has had enough of all this not sensitive to muslim bullshit. Call us when your balls drop mohammed till then quit your bitchen and STFU.

[S14DB]

Originally Posted by TheWolf

No the muslims "lied" to him. They agreed to "talk" but didn't agree to "move"

The Imam came out first and said they were going to NY to talk to the people in charge of the community center. The pastor came out later and said they were going to talk about moving the center. Then he said that they were going to move it or cancel it. The Imam still says that he said they were just going to talk.

Originally Posted by TheWolf

"We are a private church, on private land, burning books bought with our own money in a private service." -Jones

Communities still have laws on open burns. They are only zoned for dry wood campfires. Book/paper burning is not permitted.

Originally Posted by TheWolf

50 guys are going to burn some books.

It's actually only the 5 pastors/assistant pastors. The 50 comes from their tax forms where they list their size as <50.


I still think this is a move to build their flock and get donations. Their beliefs seem to be flexible.

[BustedS13]

I can only hope National Burn-A-Bible Day happens because of this

[smellslikecurry]

Last time i checked Muslims in AMERICA (the place in question), aren't rioting, killing, acting like savages over anything. I don't know what kind of news you guys are getting in the rest of the country but its the Non-Muslims going nuts over here in NY.

A Bengali Muslims cab driver got stabbed in an attempted murder couple of weeks ago.

A drunk dude came into a mosque that I personally go to and urinated on our prayer mats while yelling derogatory remarks.

A drunk dude came into the mosque while I myself was praying and started pushing the Imam. We lock the doors to our mosque now when we start praying and it sucks because now people that want to pray have trouble getting in being in the mosque itself went from a peaceful experience to an extremely stressful one.

Now did you see ANY sort of retaliation? Did the Muslims praying in the mosque drop their prayer to beat the shit out of the guy desecrating their house of worship? Did a group of Muslims go out and urinate or go around stabbing Non-Muslims? Were not going around burning flags/torahs/bibles here in America. We live in this country and have just as much pride in it as the rest of you. Muslims, especially AMERICAN Muslims are EXTREMELY peaceful people and people need to be educated on what Islam really is and what a true Muslim is/does.

Please don't let a bunch of extremist assholes ruin your perception on Muslims as a whole. And don't believe anything you see on Fox.