Official old grumpy assholes of zilvia thread

[MiamiGrinch240]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

My beef is the wheels I want don't even seem to come up for sale in Japan. I've been searching for over a year for two sets of wheels.

As of right now, I have three wheels total.

So many people got in the wheel reselling business that you basically have to buy what you want from a third party these days if you want used stuff. IMO, wheel prices should be tied to quality first, then their rarity. For example, as nice as TE’s are, & I do think they are a great versatile wheel, with so many sets in so many variations I just don’t get how the used market stays so high with them.

[dizzariot]

Originally Posted by MiamiGrinch240

So many people got in the wheel reselling business that you basically have to buy what you want from a third party these days if you want used stuff. IMO, wheel prices should be tied to quality first, then their rarity. For example, as nice as TE’s are, & I do think they are a great versatile wheel, with so many sets in so many variations I just don’t get how the used market stays so high with them.

Dickriders.

If you've ever owned a set of OG finish, ANODIZED TEs (or LMs) you know it fucking sucks. Cleaning them sucks, everything eats away at the finish, and they get hazy over time...oh and Rays still keeps the paint code secret so there's virtually no saving them unless you get them fully redone. This is why Bulletproof Automotive is going to make a killing refinishing wheels in their version of the OG finish.

[MiamiGrinch240]

Originally Posted by dizzariot

Dickriders.

If you've ever owned a set of OG finish, ANODIZED TEs (or LMs) you know it fucking sucks. Cleaning them sucks, everything eats away at the finish, and they get hazy over time...oh and Rays still keeps the paint code secret so there's virtually no saving them unless you get them fully redone. This is why Bulletproof Automotive is going to make a killing refinishing wheels in their version of the OG finish.

Never owned a set of TE’s but I do have a set of WORK Equip 01’s in the 18” Five Star pattern so I know what a PITA it is to keep their finish in good shape. I try my best to keep them clean.

[Juucso]

Sometimes it feels funny sharing your shitbox to the world when people get annoyed that you spend your money on expensive quality products. I feel like the people are always comparing (example) either how much $$$$$ their custom wheels costed or how cheap their "just as good" steering wheel was. You are allowed to spend 10K on wheels, but not 600usd on a steering wheel.


Shit like that makes me so annoyed. Who cares how much one spends?
I bought all GKtech parts for my suspension and I'm a moron because of I spent shitloads of money on quality parts that I don't really need. Seems like the chinese 600$ arm set would have been better option for me. After all that, it's still wrong to get wheels that cost under 3.5K. This is what I do not understand. Can someone explain?

I'm, not old and grumpy. I'm young and stupid...

[dizzariot]

Originally Posted by Juucso

Sometimes it feels funny sharing your shitbox to the world when people get annoyed that you spend your money on expensive quality products. I feel like the people are always comparing (example) either how much $$$$$ their custom wheels costed or how cheap their "just as good" steering wheel was. You are allowed to spend 10K on wheels, but not 600usd on a steering wheel.


Shit like that makes me so annoyed. Who cares how much one spends?
I bought all GKtech parts for my suspension and I'm a moron because of I spent shitloads of money on quality parts that I don't really need. Seems like the chinese 600$ arm set would have been better option for me. After all that, it's still wrong to get wheels that cost under 3.5K. This is what I do not understand. Can someone explain?

I'm, not old and grumpy. I'm young and stupid...

...who the fuck has ever spent $10k on wheels?

I've never paid over $3.5k for wheels and I've got typical fuckboy wheels like TEs and LMs.

GKTech makes good products. Do you need over-engineered parts for your stance car? No.

It depends on what your goals are, I think. There are plenty of rich kids that build stance cars and have the whole catalog of *insert over-engineered arms maker* parts on a car that seldom gets driven. That, at least to me, is a waste of money.

Ikeya Formula is a good example. Do you want to know why they cost so much? It's because they pass JAPANESE inspection. Most aftermarket stuff isn't approved to pass and you need documents. Ikeya Formula has said documents...but why do people in other countries pay the mark up if it means nothing to them? Bragging points.

I guess my point is this: don't buy top-tier shit for areas you don't need top-tier shit in. Everyone can tell you're just a glory whore at that point.

[merlz]

Originally Posted by dizzariot

...who the fuck has ever spent $10k on wheels?

Ikeya Formula is a good example. Do you want to know why they cost so much? It's because they pass JAPANESE inspection. Most aftermarket stuff isn't approved to pass and you need documents. Ikeya Formula has said documents...but why do people in other countries pay the mark up if it means nothing to them? Bragging points.

I have seen people pay that amount for custom wheels. I can't believe they do. But yes it happens. Look at the Avant Garde wheel brand. I've seen these wheels on Civics and 86's.

In regards to the Ikeya Formula comment. I wish i knew that 8+ years ago when i bought all my shit. I noticed there wasn't much difference visually compared to the generic arms. I got all my ikeya stuff coz i was a huge Koguchi fan boy. But to be fair i had put all that stuff to good use and i'm glad i had em because they've stood the test of time.

[dizzariot]

Originally Posted by merlz

In regards to the Ikeya Formula comment. I wish i knew that 8+ years ago when i bought all my shit. I noticed there wasn't much difference visually compared to the generic arms. I got all my ikeya stuff coz i was a huge Koguchi fan boy. But to be fair i had put all that stuff to good use and i'm glad i had em because they've stood the test of time.

Yeah it's safe to say that a lot of us know what Ikeya Formula is because of Koguchi. I just don't see the point in buying them when Cusco is cheaper, has the same pedigree, and also comes with the inspection documents. The topic now is dudes who would still pay the mark up just to say 'top shelf'.

I wouldn't criticize anyone that bought them because Koguchi had the arms on his car...I get that. I understand the ideal they're chasing.

I'd totally talk shit on a car that was lacking in other areas but had said parts because they know Ikeya is a buzzword.

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

There's nothing wrong with wanting the best.

Just don't tell someone else they're stupid for not wasting money on things they don't need.

inb4 someone quotes me for calling knockoff wheels dumb. Knockoffs of all things are lame, support people who make cool things. Sincerely, guy who buys authentic furniture

Yeah you're totally right. It doesn't negate the fact that we can see through these people, though.

There's a guy on base with a suuuuuuper clean S13 Silvia. I got to talk to him when I first showed up and it was like a triggered a dialogue box from a video game. He just ran me down the list of top-tier parts he had. Again, super friendly guy, liked cars in his own way...but he's just a name brand hunter. There's no real 'soul' behind any of it. This is all my opinion, though.

Originally Posted by Juucso

I paid around 3.5k for my wheels. Custom size S1 3P meisters brand new. They’re not cheap, but sometimes I see people talking shit because some spent usenr 2k for one piece wheels. I don’t know what is wrong with it.

And what comes what you really need and what you don’t need is stupid thing to compare. If one wants top notch quality parts to replace old crusty ones, why is it wrong?

Maybe things are different where you live. Where I'm from, it's better to have some RPF1s (sub ~$1000) than any type of 'fake' wheel. People who base ANYTHING off cost involved alone are probably just twats like ya boi BSpliner or Hubeny.

[Juucso]

Originally Posted by dizzariot

Maybe things are different where you live. Where I'm from, it's better to have some RPF1s (sub ~$1000) than any type of 'fake' wheel. People who base ANYTHING off cost involved alone are probably just twats like ya boi BSpliner or Hubeny.

Thank you!!

I can say it, I’m a brand whore, but the cost for the product doesn’t make a one. I just happen to like products that are good quality. What makes me cringe is that people buy shit, because they’re expensive, not because they might be top notch. PBM arms could have been more expensive and more ”brand” friendly name, but after doing some research and asking people they recommended GKtech. That’s what I went for.

In my opinion it’s not stupid to spend money on high quality parts, but it is stupid to spend the money to something that is expensive, but not better than some other brand.

When it comes to exterior and wheels it’s a different story tho. If you like the look of some 8k wheels and you have the money for them, why not? You can not get them anywhere else and that’s the price you need to pay to get them.

When I first saw the V2 Bunny kit, I fell in love with it. It really is not a ”distinguished” kit on the s-chassis community like BN and Spirit Rei seem to be. The kit costed what it costed, but I had to pay to get it. I did not want the V1 kit that would have been the same style, but less expensive.

Can anyone understand where I’m going with this?

[collegekid]

Originally Posted by dizzariot

...who the fuck has ever spent $10k on wheels?



I've never paid over $3.5k for wheels and I've got typical fuckboy wheels like TEs and LMs.



GKTech makes good products. Do you need over-engineered parts for your stance car? No.



I guess my point is this: don't buy top-tier shit for areas you don't need top-tier shit in. Everyone can tell you're just a glory whore at that point.

There are a lot of brands out there with some serious engineering behind them and a big ass markup too.
When I couldn’t find my advans, I found a company in Florida or Cali called adv.1 that has model 5 looking wheels.
8400 for a set of 4, no center caps.

I did not respond to that email lol.

I didn’t know about ikeya formula and their approved parts.

I ended up buying spl since I read good reviews. I probably won’t need them since I don’t plan on driving the car around too much. I personally just thought that if I crash my car due to some cheap crappy part(s) then I would hate myself for it. I put in a lot of work to save money and buy stuff, so to cheap out on such a small scale would end up costing me a lot.

I choose to have a higher factor of safety aka overkill my build. I know I can get away with using 2 gauge wire for a battery relocation. Imma be pissed if that causes me problems or a fire, so I went with 1/0 gauge with padding/insulation and extra fuses. My cost wasn’t under $50 like all those write ups.

Another thing is, if you ever went to sell your car the price would change drastically if you use top dollar well known parts vs the absolute bare minimum bottom of the barrel brand.



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[dizzariot]

Originally Posted by collegekid

There are a lot of brands out there with some serious engineering behind them and a big ass markup too.
When I couldn’t find my advans, I found a company in Florida or Cali called adv.1 that has model 5 looking wheels.
8400 for a set of 4, no center caps.

I did not respond to that email lol.

I didn’t know about ikeya formula and their approved parts.

I ended up buying spl since I read good reviews. I probably won’t need them since I don’t plan on driving the car around too much. I personally just thought that if I crash my car due to some cheap crappy part(s) then I would hate myself for it. I put in a lot of work to save money and buy stuff, so to cheap out on such a small scale would end up costing me a lot.

I choose to have a higher factor of safety aka overkill my build. I know I can get away with using 2 gauge wire for a battery relocation. Imma be pissed if that causes me problems or a fire, so I went with 1/0 gauge with padding/insulation and extra fuses. My cost wasn’t under $50 like all those write ups.

Another thing is, if you ever went to sell your car the price would change drastically if you use top dollar well known parts vs the absolute bare minimum bottom of the barrel brand.

yeah but that's the marketing ploy: you're not going to 'crash your car' because you don't use SPL. A shop I use in my hometown made a good point when talking about SPL: why spend all that money on a street driven car? The arms would literally 'rip' off your car in an accident.

I've thought about it ever since, and I try to base my purchases off the degree to which my cars will be used. Cusco fits the bill for Japan. Battle Version fits the bill for the US.

The battery relocation thing makes more sense than the arms, in my opinion. Stuff like that should always be 'overdone' because shit like that would ruin your car (if done incorrectly) long before your RUCA would 'cause an accident'.

...yeah I don't know what the fuck is up with American companies that make forged wheels. Brada, HRE, ADV.1...does it really cost so much in the US that the prices have to be exponentially more than a set of BNIB, 'store-priced' Volks from your local vendor? I honestly don't know. If it's all mark-up that's pretty lame.

[Farzam]

Originally Posted by dizzariot

...yeah I don't know what the fuck is up with American companies that make forged wheels. Brada, HRE, ADV.1...does it really cost so much in the US that the prices have to be exponentially more than a set of BNIB, 'store-priced' Volks from your local vendor? I honestly don't know. If it's all mark-up that's pretty lame.

It's funny you mention those brands, cause one of the companies you mentioned might as well be Chinese if you catch my drift.

Well, for one thing. A good amount of Japanese wheels aren't forged, they're cast. Most of the higher end companies in the US multipiece market are forged. Some aren't and sort of ride the wave and get away with charging stupid prices bc Americans are easily fooled by marketing. I'll get to that.

Then, there's concave forged multipiece wheels like someone mentioned earlier being exorbinantly priced. A concave face requires more metal and tooling time. Then there are intricate face designs which require extra tooling time. Most wheels are made by a third party. You usually pay a flat fee per set with a set amount of tooling time but then pay $x.xx/min thereafter. So that is usually factored into the price. A lot of popular Japanese wheels are relative simple from a CAD standpoint.

Finishes are also a major factor. Most people ordering fancy US wheels from me usually opt for premium finishes whereas I sell pretty much all my JDM wheels in standard finishes. Maybe upgraded hardware on occasion. Even if I offer someone a standard finish 90% similar to what they want, they want want to go the whole 9. A lot of these companies outsource their finishing (you'd be suprised, some of these companies literally don't even physically touch their wheels lol) so if they outsource, that company is marking it up, now the wheel company is too.

Back to marketing. People start a lot of these companies as of late because the market is expanding and although we don't necessarily see it reflected on zilvia so much, more people are willing to drop $5k+ on a set of wheels than 20 years ago. Very few companies want to spend $2k+ per set to just sell them for $3k. The companies that do own their own equipment OR probably get their faces cut overseas. At that point why not just get the rim halves there too if they aren't already? Lol. Just offer premium finishes as standard and have some pretty designs and nobody will be the wiser.


So...sometimes it's markup, sometimes it's legitimate, and sometimes it's a legitimate markup. I'd go more in depth but 1. my friend just got here and 2. I don't want to burn any bridges lol

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

It is all mark-up. US forged wheels aren't any stronger or lighter than Ray's

It's not so much strength, it's the cost to manufacture.

[borkfly]

Originally Posted by dizzariot

I guess my point is this: don't buy top-tier shit for areas you don't need top-tier shit in. Everyone can tell you're just a glory whore at that point.

Ok, but you realize this is the exact type of thinking that perpetuates "modern" day gender debates. "This is how I feel, why doesn't anyone conform to MY standards??!?!?!??! ME ME ME ME" I always see you complaining about and mocking millennials, yet you host a millennial mentality, and are completely ignorant to it. WOW!

Who are you to tell someone how to spend their money?

The car scene is over saturated with people doing the same thing. Carbon copies of carbon copies. To have an expectation that everybody in the scene should be the same, or as equally shitty as you are, is boring as hell. Its human nature to be different from the rest, its what makes us humans. You are going to scold people for trying being different?

Exclusivity is expensive. Just because you can't afford to be different, doesn't mean other people can't either. Quit complaining, you sound like such a hypocrite talking about spending money un-necessarily, and "glory whores", but you yourself own an schassis. In no way, is owning an schassis a smart way to spend money, there are far better performing, cheaper cars out there.

Maybe take a second to think before you blurb off next time, what it means to you, and to others to be a car enthusiast. Not everyone has the same goal, visions, passion, interests, or income as you.

[dizzariot]

Originally Posted by borkfly

Ok, but you realize this is the exact type of thinking that perpetuates "modern" day gender debates.

Originally Posted by borkfly

This is how I feel, why doesn't anyone conform to MY standards??!?!?!??! ME ME ME ME" I always see you complaining about and mocking millennials, yet you host a millennial mentality, and are completely ignorant to it. WOW!

Who are you to tell someone how to spend their money?

The topic was brought up by Juusco. He asked for our (and by extension, MY MY MY) thoughts on the matter. I love how you took the one instance where I didn't clearly type out 'this is my opinion' but it's implied here. A question was put forth and we chimed in. That's why all of the functioning adults in this thread are having a discord free of 'triggering' some millennial fuckboy like you. Your first and only post just on this forum HAD to be in THIS thread where EVERYONE BUT YOU is discussing.

Originally Posted by borkfly

The car scene is over saturated with people doing the same thing. Carbon copies of carbon copies. To have an expectation that everybody in the scene should be the same, or as equally shitty as you are, is boring as hell. Its human nature to be different from the rest, its what makes us humans. You are going to scold people for trying being different?

This sentence alone tells me everything I need to know about you.

No. I'm not going to 'scold' anyone. As stated even earlier, I unfollow them or I block them because I don't want to see it. Is this going to be a lesson in how I have to accept everyone? The same rhetoric that sates I need to be accepting never allows for me to disapprove. Where's my freedom of choice? Am I shitting on these guys in their IG comments? Nope. I'm unfollowing them.

Is that okay, mein fuhrer?

Originally Posted by borkfly

Exclusivity is expensive. Just because you can't afford to be different, doesn't mean other people can't either. Quit complaining, you sound like such a hypocrite talking about spending money un-necessarily, and "glory whores", but you yourself own an schassis. In no way, is owning an schassis a smart way to spend money, there are far better performing, cheaper cars out there.

No it's not. It's being made expensive buy cucks that buy cheap and sell high. The standard 'you can't afford it' comment is another weapon commonly found in the arsenal of morons like you.

There's a HUGE difference between ability and willingness. It's part of self-control...but most kids living at home, parking in their parents' garage don't have to worry about much in terms of outgoing funds. As much as you might say this is coming from a place of jealousy I can assure you it's not. My point is, and always has been, that if you can't see these people for what they are (mostly culture vultures spending their disposable income on RARE VINTAGE NISMO BY SJERIN) then you deserve to be 'pimped'.

Originally Posted by borkfly

Maybe take a second to think before you blurb off next time, what it means to you, and to others to be a car enthusiast. Not everyone has the same goal, visions, passion, interests, or income as you.

This is obvious, Mr. White Knight. I was having a civilized talk with Juusco who CLEARLY has a different idea of what it means to be an 'enthusiast' and he and i got along just fine.


Maybe YOU should think more about it before you come in here, try to paint me into a category that's easy to vilify, and attempt to take me down with some bullshit SJW logic that says that my freedom to state a negative opinion isn't equal to my freedom to state a positive opinion for being different.

Snowflake.

[borkfly]

Originally Posted by dizzariot

I love how you took the one instance where I didn't clearly type out 'this is my opinion' but it's implied here.

I can't bother picking apart every statement you make that is clearly propelled by envy, to me its a waste of time anyways, as you are one of these stubborn millennials that live in denial.

Originally Posted by dizzariot

No. I'm not going to 'scold' anyone.Is this going to be a lesson in how I have to accept everyone? The same rhetoric that sates I need to be accepting never allows for me to disapprove.

That's fine to have an opinion, yours is worth the same as mine, but to say somebody shouldn't spend their money on something they can afford is a bit silly, and well, closed minded. Do you go down to the pier and tell millionaires who spend 3 million on a yacht what they should be spending their money on instead? Do you also cry on Bugatti forums that you could build a much better performing, functional car for 1/8th the cost?

Originally Posted by dizzariot

There's a HUGE difference between ability and willingness. It's part of self-control...but most kids living at home, parking in their parents' garage don't have to worry about much in terms of outgoing funds.

I'm not sure you know or understand, or ever will understand the difference between having the money to buy something and being able to afford something. If you have to make a choice between a performance and an aesthetic upgrade, and complain about the price, then you are in the can't afford it boat dude.

Just because I have $1000 in my bank account doesn't mean I'm gonna go buy a $500 oil cap... Why? Because I CAN'T afford it.

Originally Posted by dizzariot

Maybe YOU should think more about it before you come in here, try to paint me into a category that's easy to vilify, and attempt to take me down with some bullshit SJW logic that says that my freedom to state a negative opinion isn't equal to my freedom to state a positive opinion for being different.

Its funny you label me an sjw, when you are reacting in exactly the same way every sjw reacts when they encounter Steven Crowder. Displaying a lack of critical thinking skills, and logic to come up with a valid reply or an answer to something, and are too proud to admit they may be in the wrong. Natural defense mechanism, resort to being offended, backpedaling, and going the ad hominem response route.

That being said, I'm not interested in your reply, and will not reply any more, but feel free to entertain the forums, and demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect.

[gbaby2089]

Originally Posted by SAKURA

Unsolicited advice but don't get married.

Dumb thing to say not knowing the situation.

Originally Posted by Juucso

Shit like that makes me so annoyed. Who cares how much one spends?

After all that, it's still wrong to get wheels that cost under 3.5K. This is what I do not understand. Can someone explain?

I'm, not old and grumpy. I'm young and stupid...

Dawg that's dumb.

I have 2.75 sets of wheels (I've been looking for a wheel to finish my third set for a year). COMBINED they cost less than $3500. All very desirable wheels (one set 17x9 TC005, one set 17x9 RGIII, one set 17x9.5 things that I want the world to forget exist until I find my fourth wheel)

[MiamiGrinch240]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

I have 2.75 sets of wheels (I've been looking for a wheel to finish my third set for a year). COMBINED they cost less than $3500. All very desirable wheels (one set 17x9 TC005, one set 17x9 RGIII, one set 17x9.5 things that I want the world to forget exist until I find my fourth wheel)

Hey, I’ll help you find your 4th wheel if you’re interested. I’m that random type of person who just enjoys the hunt even if it’s not for me. DM me color, specs, etc.

[SAKURA]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

Dumb thing to say not knowing the situation.

In today's world, with the way society has gone regarding marriage and divorce, and how screwed a man gets when his wife all of a sudden doesn't love him anymore and gets cash and prizes for it, there is no upside for a man to get married.

Unless you marry a chick just to immigrate to another country. That is the only reason a man would get married in today's social climate. Just my opinion though.

[gbaby2089]

Originally Posted by SAKURA

In today's world, with the way society has gone regarding marriage and divorce, and how screwed a man gets when his wife all of a sudden doesn't love him anymore and gets cash and prizes for it, there is no upside for a man to get married.

Unless you marry a chick just to immigrate to another country. That is the only reason a man would get married in today's social climate. Just my opinion though.

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[Juucso]

I paid around 3.5k for my wheels. Custom size S1 3P meisters brand new. They’re not cheap, but sometimes I see people talking shit because some spent usenr 2k for one piece wheels. I don’t know what is wrong with it.

And what comes what you really need and what you don’t need is stupid thing to compare. If one wants top notch quality parts to replace old crusty ones, why is it wrong?

[gbaby2089]

Originally Posted by Juucso

I paid around 3.5k for my wheels. Custom size S1 3P meisters brand new. They’re not cheap, but sometimes I see people talking shit because some spent usenr 2k for one piece wheels. I don’t know what is wrong with it.

And what comes what you really need and what you don’t need is stupid thing to compare. If one wants top notch quality parts to replace old crusty ones, why is it wrong?

There's nothing wrong with wanting the best.

Just don't tell someone else they're stupid for not wasting money on things they don't need.

inb4 someone quotes me for calling knockoff wheels dumb. Knockoffs of all things are lame, support people who make cool things. Sincerely, guy who buys authentic furniture

[gbaby2089]

It is all mark-up. US forged wheels aren't any stronger or lighter than Ray's

[Juucso]

Here's the story.

I have a huge amount of respect for Dizzariot. I like his style and what matters the most to me, his attitude is what I like. He has a lot of good points and I like to discuss with him since he accepts the fact that we're different type of enthusiast. This gives me a opportunity to see a small peak how they see things. I'm 100% sure that Dizzariot does not like my S13, but I'm completely fine with it and still can be internet friends with him.

We can share opinions without shitting on each other and discuss about it. This is how I want to have conversations with people. I absolutely hate when somebodies don't accept you if you disagree on some things. This does not mean that I should just swallow everything that is being said to me or what I see. I still can have my opinion, but usually I try to keep it to myself or tell about it in a nice way. Expect we're talking about shitty JPfiberglass parts. <3

When talking about jealously, I do not see it much in here Zilvia. If someone calls your car shit, it does NOT mean that they're jealous. They just don't like it. I don't need to like it, you don't need either.

[gbaby2089]

lmao how was dizzariot jealous of anyone, he gave a totally fair opinion & juucso took it in a completely reasonable way. Love this dude managing to make this dude make himself look as big a dickhead as possible in his first ever post.

[da_crew10]

I still think someone here should get in a damn fight. Enough talk, more action!

[deolio]

fuck juucso.

[Juucso]

Originally Posted by deolio

fuck juucso.

I’m waiting for you!

[deolio]

Originally Posted by Juucso

I’m waiting for you!

damn, still can't get a rise out of you! more of the "younger generation" could learn a thing or two from you. such fragile egos.

[dizzariot]

Originally Posted by deolio

fuck juucso.

Originally Posted by Juucso

I’m waiting for you!

THiS iS ThE KiNd oF CaNcEr RUiNiNg tHe CaR ComMuNitY ! ! !

Originally Posted by tuzzio

I really think "just because you can, doesn't always mean you should, or have too" is really a better wording of what dizza is trying to say. Some people appreciate braggers rights / brand whoring. Some don't.

Happy new years, cunts.

Yeah that's a simplified version. I'd take it once step further and note that everyone can tell when you're the brand whoring guy and not the normal guy buying top-tier for a desired area of their car.

Happy New Year, Grumpy Asshole.

Originally Posted by Memberofthe600hpkaclub

Interesting thread

Yeah it started weird but it's be going well. Feel free to chime in.

[tuzzio]

I really think "just because you can, doesn't always mean you should, or have too" is really a better wording of what dizza is trying to say. Some people appreciate braggers rights / brand whoring. Some don't.

Happy new years, cunts.

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Interesting thread