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KJWinky · 05-15-2012, 10:57 PM

that sucks!!! If that be the case. then hell yeah get your money for your bumper from the guy and take the free session.... seems like the instructor just needed to test out your car to make sure you didnt have terrible suspension.... not if your car can handle 60mph around a hairpin turn.....

KJWinky · 05-15-2012, 11:00 PM

bullshit you cant ziptie stich it in pieces. thats why people do it....

mantas · 05-15-2012, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jacobzking

THE TRACK MANDATES THAT AN INSTRUCTOR DRIVE YOUR CAR AROUND FOR THE FIRST 1-2 LAPS.

I already knew the track and asked if we could skip before we got started and just let me drive, but the track made him drive it.

If thats the case they need to pony up the other $200. Thats bullsheit!

jacobzking · 05-15-2012, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by KJWinky

that sucks!!! If that be the case. then hell yeah get your money for your bumper from the guy and take the free session.... seems like the instructor just needed to test out your car to make sure you didnt have terrible suspension.... not if your car can handle 60mph around a hairpin turn.....

when you go to track day, they split you in to 4 categories based on track experience, and based on your experience on that track. if you're in blue or green (first 2 levels), they have the instructor drive you around the track. its mandatory.

i was JUST on that exact same track just about 3 weeks prior. my car was the same. my instructor was the same. i knew the track since i had just been there... that's why i asked if i could just drive the whole time.

i even explained to him that the Star Spec tires are very poor tires for wet tracks about 30 seconds before he put the car in the grass.

he was just driving a car that he wasn't familiar with too aggressively. it wasn't a race; there was no reason for him to be driving that hard, on a car with that much torque and dry racing tires.

Banana_Cute · 05-15-2012, 11:05 PM

If it wasnt your choice to have an instructor, then they should cover it. I'd understand if you wanted an instructor.

After all, they are instructor, they should know the track like the back of their hands. then again, shit does happen. Maybe if you guys can go half on the cost.. or even 70-30 if that.

jacobzking · 05-15-2012, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Banana_Cute

If it wasnt your choice to have an instructor, then they should cover it. I'd understand if you wanted an instructor.

After all, they are instructor, they should know the track like the back of their hands. then again, shit does happen. Maybe if you guys can go half on the cost.. or even 70-30 if that.

yeah, i just messaged the guy and told him i'd split the difference with him. i think thats more than fair. that way he's only out of pocket $150 and same for me... $150

slider2828 · 05-16-2012, 12:50 AM

That is a dumbass track rule. It should be the instructor driving you in his own car. Then the instructor sits with you.... But whatever....

The instructor was stupid. I go to the track a lot and my seats are bolted straight down to the frame. It would be nice if he chipped in, but I wouldn't expect him to.

Like someone said its a trackday, track shit happens....

jamg · 05-16-2012, 01:05 AM

buy the bumper, and have your instructor get it painted.

and take those free track days.

*hOngsterr* · 05-16-2012, 01:17 AM

weird, usually when you have to follow instructors cars, not let them drive your car.

i guess TX and CA are different.

andisan · 05-16-2012, 01:23 AM

I dont think the instructor has to pay for anything, only because it sounds like he is an employe of the track, and an employe of a buisness should be covered by the buisness insurance, and the track giving you "track time" is a way of them telling you that they where at fault, so I would have them cover more than "track time".

I wouldnt let anyone drive my car anyways, i dont care if those are the rules, I dont trust anyone but me, that way if anything happens I blame myself, and skip all the BS

jacobzking · 05-16-2012, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by andisan

I dont think the instructor has to pay for anything, only because it sounds like he is an employe of the track, and an employe of a buisness should be covered by the buisness insurance, and the track giving you "track time" is a way of them telling you that they where at fault, so I would have them cover more than "track time".

I wouldnt let anyone drive my car anyways, i dont care if those are the rules, I dont trust anyone but me, that way if anything happens I blame myself, and skip all the BS

thats how i feel about it. but thats not the case. anyhow, i talked to the instructor last night and told him that the track was giving me the 2 free sessions that would cover the cost of the bumper by itself and that I'm out about $300 total. I offered to split the $300 and here's what he said:

"OK man that sounds pretty generous of you and of Maggie [the track coordinator] so if it's cool and it's your final decision let's do that
I will call Maggie and let her know what we decided on and she'll know that she should be expecting you for free twice"

I think that was the most fair resolve to everyone (short of the track just covering it since it was their policy and their instructor).

S-Nation S13 · 05-16-2012, 08:45 AM

Eh? Why bring your trophy car to the track. Knowing your not pro shit is bound to happen. You instructor ripped the front bumper off he had "skill" as for you you might of just fucked more shit up other than the front bumper. Just take the track days, be balla as fuck in drifting.end of the fucking story. Why do people ask for advice on here like shit really matters. It's your fucking car deal with it, quick asking for opinions from others. That's like asking shit there a bomb ass chick right there should I smash or not..come on guys tell me what to do..

jacobzking · 05-16-2012, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by S-Nation S13

Eh? Why bring your trophy car to the track. Knowing your not pro shit is bound to happen. You instructor ripped the front bumper off he had "skill" as for you you might of just fucked more shit up other than the front bumper. Just take the track days, be balla as fuck in drifting.end of the fucking story. Why do people ask for advice on here like shit really matters. It's your fucking car deal with it, quick asking for opinions from others. That's like asking shit there a bomb ass chick right there should I smash or not..come on guys tell me what to do..

i bring my car to track days for exactly what it is on track day; high performance driving experience...not a race... not a drifting competition.

i was asking for other suggestions to see if anyone had other ideas or perspectives. and again, it wasn't a drifting event. READ THE THREAD i'm not saying i have more skill, because i definitely do not, but i managed 20 laps that day without a single spin out or loss of controlled grip. he wrecked on turn 5 out of 11 on the first lap (less than halfway through just one lap on the course).

*hOngsterr* · 05-16-2012, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by andisan

I dont think the instructor has to pay for anything, only because it sounds like he is an employe of the track, and an employe of a buisness should be covered by the buisness insurance, and the track giving you "track time" is a way of them telling you that they where at fault, so I would have them cover more than "track time".

I wouldnt let anyone drive my car anyways, i dont care if those are the rules, I dont trust anyone but me, that way if anything happens I blame myself, and skip all the BS

dude, instructors dont get paid, they just get noticed or they ask to be instructors and get the free track day, learn how to spell business too, jesus.

Track doesn't give you time, the person who host's the event at the track gives you the free event. Just by offering the free track events was nice enough.

I don't believe you have ever been in a event before to speak your mind, if you have i apologize.

to OP live and learn.
also your front bumpers fiberglass?

jacobzking · 05-16-2012, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by hOngsterr

dTrack doesn't give you time, the person who host's the event at the track gives you the free event. Just by offering the free track events was nice enough.

to OP live and learn.
also your front bumpers fiberglass?

this track is a little different in that it actually IS the track that does the track day (not a 3rd party driving school) so that makes it a little easier on them to give me free track time since they own the track. so they're not out any money (other than giving up 1 spot for free).

yeah... fiberglass.

*hOngsterr* · 05-16-2012, 10:08 AM

y u no get jdm oem lol

TrustS13 · 05-16-2012, 10:09 AM

Buy an OEM JDM kouki bumper that's plastic.. and the lip, and never break them again.

S-Nation S13 · 05-16-2012, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jacobzking

i bring my car to track days for exactly what it is on track day; high performance driving experience...not a race... not a drifting competition.

i was asking for other suggestions to see if anyone had other ideas or perspectives. and again, it wasn't a drifting event. READ THE THREAD i'm not saying i have more skill, because i definitely do not, but i managed 20 laps that day without a single spin out or loss of controlled grip. he wrecked on turn 5 out of 11 on the first lap (less than halfway through just one lap on the course).

Doesn't matter one way or the other .. Either your we're gonna fuck up or he was...it's bound to happen no one perfect.. Drifting or not you can still eff up your car.. What the fuck do you want to say.."so I went to track today guys, my teacher effed up my car, so what do I do guys ?" threads fucking stupid, this is exactly why zilvia's gone to shit, your a grown ass man do what you think is right. End of story. End of thread.

jacobzking · 05-16-2012, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by S-Nation S13

Doesn't matter one way or the other .. Either your we're gonna fuck up or he was...it's bound to happen no one perfect.. Drifting or not you can still eff up your car.. What the fuck do you want to say.."so I went to track today guys, my teacher effed up my car, so what do I do guys ?" threads fucking stupid, this is exactly why zilvia's gone to shit, your a grown ass man do what you think is right. End of story. End of thread.

its very narrow minded to think that i shouldn't explore all my options.

and just because i track the car, does NOT mean that I'm eventually going to destroy the bumper. i could have gone the rest of the year without destroying it. and maybe by then I'm ready to sell the car... so why should I have to sell it without a bumper?

i just came here to get opinions from other people with track experience.

its people like you that have no useful input on this thread, that just create posts to get bigger thread counts, that make forums go to shit.

slammed04tsx · 05-16-2012, 10:26 AM

Do what you think is right is what i gotta say if you want him to pay ask him if you don't thats your call noone is gonna hate you for doing it or not doing it all just a personal choice

Matej · 05-16-2012, 10:49 AM

Have your insurance company total the car.

Jaketenpointo · 05-16-2012, 11:04 AM

Its unrelated to the conversation, but I like the way it looks without the bumper.

That said, I think a couple track days is a reasonable exchange. Not saying that you don't take care of your car, but s*** happens at the track, and sometimes things break. BUT, if you feel like he was taking unnecessary risk with your car then maybe he should pay.

Schwiegz · 05-16-2012, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jacobzking

you can't zip tie it when its broken in to pieces

You obviously havent driven a Nissan for long...

OP, its tough. Personally, Id take the 2 track days and call it a day. You can zip tie the hell outta the front bumper FOR NOW. While your in the process of disregarding females, and acquiring currency, you can drive it and enjoy the "battle" styled look lol. Than, when youve saved up the 500 bones, you can get the shit fixed no problem AND you got 2 free track days.

Sucks for the time being in your mind because it doesnt look clean, but I wouldnt mind it like that lol. Not to mention you've already waited to get the car. Couple more weeks couldnt possibly hurt

*hOngsterr* · 05-16-2012, 11:18 AM

jacob this isnt a forum really for racing lol.

try nissanroadracing.com

VNG704 · 05-16-2012, 11:32 AM

If you plan on going back to the track again after the two free days, just take the two days and be happy. If he offers to pay and you really want some cash from him, tell him it was an expensive accident but still just an accident so you'll let him decide how much to offer you. It'll be in your favor to not sound like a pissed off dick even though you're probably in the right to ask for compensation. Really though, you should expect accidents, even though you haven't had one at the track yet.

Black R · 05-16-2012, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jacobzking

THE TRACK MANDATES THAT AN INSTRUCTOR DRIVE YOUR CAR AROUND FOR THE FIRST 1-2 LAPS.

I already knew the track and asked if we could skip before we got started and just let me drive, but the track made him drive it.

Then he should pay.

End of story.

Davidmic747 · 05-16-2012, 01:25 PM

poop nuggets, next before you let someone else drive it tell them "you wreck it, you fix it"

jacobzking · 05-16-2012, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Schwiegz

You obviously havent driven a Nissan for long...

i did my first SR swap in 1999

0wn3r · 05-16-2012, 02:22 PM

This thread is full of "Zilvia" and I think the only logical poster besides the OP has been hOngsterr.

If you want real world advice: The track or club that you race with typically makes you sign a form that does not make them liable for any damage that happens while you're out there. By signing those forms and allowing the instructor to drive makes them liable for nothing (generally speaking). Not only is the instructor and track not liable, but this also applies to YOU coming into contact with SOMEONE ELSE and SOMEONE ELSE coming into contact with YOU.

At the club I've raced with, I've always preferred to drive myself and let them sit in the passenger seat after a lesson learned during auto-x where someone did not listen to me when I said the car does not have ABS and will lock up. That way I avoid any of this mess and if it's my fault then it's my fault.

I think 2 free track days is better than nothing, which I'm guessing would happen if it was a club instructor rather than a track-employed instructor. It's good that it seems like you emailed him without sounding like a raging Zilvia teenager. He could have said no to you in this situation and there would have obviously just been bad blood between you two. I'm actually very surprised he is splitting the difference with you and that's very generous of him. For that matter, even the track didn't need to give you anything...and $200 is fairly cheap. (Lowest I've seen by me is $425 for two days or $225 for one.)

From what I've read, Star Specs actually handle quite well in wet conditions.

Rag · 05-16-2012, 02:27 PM

ALL drivers that participate in motorsports MUST be well aware of the risks to you and your vehicle.

Suck it it because you need to pay to play in any motorsport.

05-15-2012, 11:05 PM	#35
Banana_Cute Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Irvine, So. Cal. Posts: 1,338 Trader Rating: (16) Feedback Score: 16 reviews	If it wasnt your choice to have an instructor, then they should cover it. I'd understand if you wanted an instructor. After all, they are instructor, they should know the track like the back of their hands. then again, shit does happen. Maybe if you guys can go half on the cost.. or even 70-30 if that. __________________ Simplicity is the key to brilliance

05-16-2012, 12:50 AM	#37
slider2828 Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 5,998 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	That is a dumbass track rule. It should be the instructor driving you in his own car. Then the instructor sits with you.... But whatever.... The instructor was stupid. I go to the track a lot and my seats are bolted straight down to the frame. It would be nice if he chipped in, but I wouldn't expect him to. Like someone said its a trackday, track shit happens.... __________________ Turn and Burn!

05-16-2012, 01:23 AM	#40
andisan Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lompoc CA 805!!!! Age: 40 Posts: 2,063 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	I dont think the instructor has to pay for anything, only because it sounds like he is an employe of the track, and an employe of a buisness should be covered by the buisness insurance, and the track giving you "track time" is a way of them telling you that they where at fault, so I would have them cover more than "track time". I wouldnt let anyone drive my car anyways, i dont care if those are the rules, I dont trust anyone but me, that way if anything happens I blame myself, and skip all the BS __________________

05-16-2012, 10:26 AM	#50
slammed04tsx Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: knoxville tn Age: 33 Posts: 206 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Do what you think is right is what i gotta say if you want him to pay ask him if you don't thats your call noone is gonna hate you for doing it or not doing it all just a personal choice __________________ 1991 NSX/ 1995 240sx RB25 Drift missle

05-16-2012, 02:22 PM	#59
0wn3r Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: CT Posts: 676 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	This thread is full of "Zilvia" and I think the only logical poster besides the OP has been hOngsterr. If you want real world advice: The track or club that you race with typically makes you sign a form that does not make them liable for any damage that happens while you're out there. By signing those forms and allowing the instructor to drive makes them liable for nothing (generally speaking). Not only is the instructor and track not liable, but this also applies to YOU coming into contact with SOMEONE ELSE and SOMEONE ELSE coming into contact with YOU. At the club I've raced with, I've always preferred to drive myself and let them sit in the passenger seat after a lesson learned during auto-x where someone did not listen to me when I said the car does not have ABS and will lock up. That way I avoid any of this mess and if it's my fault then it's my fault. I think 2 free track days is better than nothing, which I'm guessing would happen if it was a club instructor rather than a track-employed instructor. It's good that it seems like you emailed him without sounding like a raging Zilvia teenager. He could have said no to you in this situation and there would have obviously just been bad blood between you two. I'm actually very surprised he is splitting the difference with you and that's very generous of him. For that matter, even the track didn't need to give you anything...and $200 is fairly cheap. (Lowest I've seen by me is $425 for two days or $225 for one.) From what I've read, Star Specs actually handle quite well in wet conditions. __________________ 97 240sx se

05-15-2012, 10:57 PM	#31
KJWinky Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: 847 Posts: 35 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	that sucks!!! If that be the case. then hell yeah get your money for your bumper from the guy and take the free session.... seems like the instructor just needed to test out your car to make sure you didnt have terrible suspension.... not if your car can handle 60mph around a hairpin turn.....

05-15-2012, 11:00 PM	#32
KJWinky Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: 847 Posts: 35 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	bullshit you cant ziptie stich it in pieces. thats why people do it....

05-16-2012, 01:05 AM	#38
jamg Nissanaholic! Join Date: May 2009 Location: GA Posts: 2,106 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	buy the bumper, and have your instructor get it painted. and take those free track days.

05-16-2012, 08:45 AM	#42
S-Nation S13 Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: LAND of the LOST Posts: 4,083 Trader Rating: (92) Feedback Score: 92 reviews	Eh? Why bring your trophy car to the track. Knowing your not pro shit is bound to happen. You instructor ripped the front bumper off he had "skill" as for you you might of just fucked more shit up other than the front bumper. Just take the track days, be balla as fuck in drifting.end of the fucking story. Why do people ask for advice on here like shit really matters. It's your fucking car deal with it, quick asking for opinions from others. That's like asking shit there a bomb ass chick right there should I smash or not..come on guys tell me what to do..

05-16-2012, 10:09 AM	#47
TrustS13 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Greensboro, NC Age: 36 Posts: 631 Trader Rating: (16) Feedback Score: 16 reviews	Buy an OEM JDM kouki bumper that's plastic.. and the lip, and never break them again.

05-16-2012, 10:49 AM	#51
Matej Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 9,423 Trader Rating: (39) Feedback Score: 39 reviews	Have your insurance company total the car.

05-16-2012, 11:04 AM	#52
Jaketenpointo Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chico, Ca Age: 36 Posts: 491 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Its unrelated to the conversation, but I like the way it looks without the bumper. That said, I think a couple track days is a reasonable exchange. Not saying that you don't take care of your car, but s*** happens at the track, and sometimes things break. BUT, if you feel like he was taking unnecessary risk with your car then maybe he should pay.

05-16-2012, 11:32 AM	#55
VNG704 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,575 Trader Rating: (17) Feedback Score: 17 reviews	If you plan on going back to the track again after the two free days, just take the two days and be happy. If he offers to pay and you really want some cash from him, tell him it was an expensive accident but still just an accident so you'll let him decide how much to offer you. It'll be in your favor to not sound like a pissed off dick even though you're probably in the right to ask for compensation. Really though, you should expect accidents, even though you haven't had one at the track yet.

05-16-2012, 01:25 PM	#57
Davidmic747 Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Riverside Age: 32 Posts: 207 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	poop nuggets, next before you let someone else drive it tell them "you wreck it, you fix it"

05-16-2012, 02:27 PM	#60
Rag Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 171 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	ALL drivers that participate in motorsports MUST be well aware of the risks to you and your vehicle. Suck it it because you need to pay to play in any motorsport.