2011 Nissan GT-R $84,060, Limited To Just 315 Units For U.S.? [New Cars]

[sirfallsalot243]

Originally Posted by ronmcdon

Well Nissan isn't just selling the GTR, now are they?

The GTR draws attention to potential buyers into the showroom who wouldn't otherwise be as interested.
They oogle at the GTR, and end up buying something like a Z, Altima, or whatever.
Those more modest models sell at far more volume, have profit margins, and are the real money makers

That is the general idea of a halo car.
Think of it as a form of advertising and a means for the company to flaunt it's technology.

Think about it, 315 GTRs will be sold in the US this year.
Whatever profit or losses from the sales alone are negligible to a company the size of Nissan.
They don't have to make money off the GTR to sustain themselves & they aren't going to be hurt bad if not a single GTR sells

Exactly. Same as the NSX from honda in the early 90's. Honda made a profit on the car, but barely. An all aluminum car isnt cheap to manufacture or design. But it made everyone else say "dayyyym, look what honda can do." Its not necessarily about THAT MODEL bringing in a profit, but more about bringing attention to the company. Kind of like a "look what we can do" mentality.

I cant wait for used GTR's to start going for 50k. By that time, 50k should be a feasible purchase. (aka, ill have made my millions by then )

[godrifttoday]

Key word Honda made a profit!!! Someone said gtr did not make any money

[sirfallsalot243]

Originally Posted by godrifttoday

Key word Honda made a profit!!! Someone said gtr did not make any money

Honda made A profit. Didnt say it was a big one, or one that was even worth their time.

Its almost like companies HAVE to make a supercar to be considered "legitimate." Just to prove what they can do, even if it wont rake in the big bucks.

[Future240]

Originally Posted by sirfallsalot243

Honda made A profit. Didnt say it was a big one, or one that was even worth their time.

Its almost like companies HAVE to make a supercar to be considered "legitimate." Just to prove what they can do, even if it wont rake in the big bucks.

Agreed. Plus all the technology developed that went into the GTR can and will trickle down to the other cars(albeit in watered down forms) which in a way saves them money on R&D and will improve their cars.

It is a known thing for companies to produce products that they will not make a profit on. It allows them to show the world what they are capable of.

[godrifttoday]

I understand what u guys are saying... All I'm saying no company would make something and sell it for less that what it cost to make... Makes no sense... Unless their is a big accountig error on allocating cost...Yes we can do a super car in this example gtr to show how advance it is and what not... Gtr went into production so even a break even or small profit it's ok but my Point being is that they can't lose cash, I mean that shoudnt be the idea to lose money to show off. Now one thing is to make a car that goes I to production and one that does not for example a a concept car. Never make it to the general public. And does what it was mention to do show off the technology

[brndck]

theres a kid out here in psl that has a new gtr. by his looks he can't be more than 20-21ish.
i'm jealous, but hating gets you nowhere.

[theog]

theyre trying to freeze the market

[jodett]

Originally Posted by godrifttoday

I bet none of u... And I mean no one... Would ever complain or bitch about driving a new skyline at the age of 18 at the expense of your parents money..... I only come to one conclusion .... Hate .... Hate... Hate.... I could allready see it " no daddy no, 500hp skyline is to much for me at such a young age, please daddy buy me something with less power" haha yeah right! Haters... It's the thruth que no?

obviously It's not the kids fault for having rich parents that love to spoil him. It's the parents fault for throwing their little precious child in a car that they should know is not suitable for a young inexperienced driver. It's risking your kids, and others lives, just to buy your childs love. Seems irresponsible to me.

[Future240]

Originally Posted by godrifttoday

I understand what u guys are saying... All I'm saying no company would make something and sell it for less that what it cost to make...

The PlayStation 3's initial production cost is estimated to have been US$805.85 for the 20 GB model and US$840.35 for the 60 GB model.[199] However, they were priced at US$499 and US$599 respectively,[200] meaning that every unit was sold at an estimated loss of $250,[199]

Yes they will, if they expect to make profits elsewhere. Make a super car, people buys cars made by other people of the super car. Sony makes a super system makes sales of licensing fees of said system.

[kingkilburn]

People should do research on economics before commenting.

It is a simple and wide spread philosophy.

[ronmcdon]

Or think of advertising.
It's an expense you have to pay for.
advertising almost never returns a profit.

You spend money to make an ad.
You spend money to have it in circulation (billboards, commercials, etc).
The advertisement isn't going to return profits AT ALL.

Why do companies invest in advertising/marketing?
because it will bring attention to their other products that DO make a profit.
Think of the GTR as more or less something similar.

Is that more coherent?
Business strategies aren't always a simple matter of profit or loss for everything.
Like I said prior, what matters is the company makes money overall.

Also, please don't say "I understand what you're saying" when you clearly do not.
If there is something you aren't clear with, please express it.
I'll be more than happy to elaborate.

[ronmcdon]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

People should do research on economics before commenting.

It is a simple and wide spread philosophy.

Economics should be be mandatory high school curriculum.
It is far more relevant than say science, history, and your typical worthless liberal arts classes today imo.

[kingkilburn]

It's all relevant, they just emphasize knowledge over wisdom in public school. I can throw facts at you all day but it wont make you smarter unless I also give you the tools to use those facts and find more info on your own.

You gotta be hungry for it or everyone's time is wasted.

/thread jack

[mattsauto95]

Originally Posted by ronmcdon

Economics should be be mandatory high school curriculum.
It is far more relevant than say science, history, and your typical worthless liberal arts classes today imo.

It already is in my high school.

[Geno750]

Originally Posted by ronmcdon

Economics should be be mandatory high school curriculum.
It is far more relevant than say science, history, and your typical worthless liberal arts classes today imo.

There should also be a simple economic quiz someone needs to pass in order to register to vote, but I digress.


I imagine the 315 cars is a result of their own sales figures and usually guys who can afford these cars are not tracking them. They just want a car that goes fast, is comfortable, and Nissan is tailoring their supply to meet that demand.

[ranger240]

anyone saying ''nah ronmcdon you're wrong'' just doesn't get it. because you don't understand what you're talking about, stop arguing. this isn't a debate, its a fact. the skyline is a halo car, why do you think the stupid lexus LFA costs 300-400 or something thousand dollars, because lexus is taking a hit on every one so they marked that sucker up so they wouldn't have to make as many. that also is a halo car. standard 'economic motivation of production' (pardon that made-up phrase) doesn't apply to a halo car or similar circumstance.


econ should be mandatory for high school graduation. its stupid that you're required by law (at least in ct) for a semester of American Gov and not econ which is arguably much more valuable information to have.

[project06tj]

Originally Posted by jodett

obviously It's not the kids fault for having rich parents that love to spoil him. It's the parents fault for throwing their little precious child in a car that they should know is not suitable for a young inexperienced driver. It's risking your kids, and others lives, just to buy your childs love. Seems irresponsible to me.

i'm sure joey logano's parents feel the same way.

[godrifttoday]

halo car or not, in my own personal opinion i would make someonething for profit first and then for it to be a so-called halo car, i would mark that thing up to make money. the limited amount of cars will only be available to those who can pay for it so, if they are not making a profit from it being 80k i would sell it for a higher price until i satisfy myself on how much we will make...

[kingkilburn]

You are missing the point of a halo car and fail at economics.

[chiboy002]

Originally Posted by SeattleRPS13

Yeah I see GT-R's at most all of the Nissan Dealerships. Kind of makes me mad cause I had some dude who barely looked 18 in a GT-R right next to me at the stop light. Freakin' kids and their parents money.

there are 2 kids at my school with gtr's. both automatic, and one has since been wrapped around a tree (no joke). The kid is 18, and has a r34 gtr in the bahama's which he paid a shop 10k to mod it, all his parents money. he infact, riced it out and tinted the front window! yep...

also, an AMS evo x at my school, bought not built because it just showed up one day. really ugly lol. another kid has a supra mxv that is automatic, built up i guess

fucking n00bs and their automatics. these kids ebrake pull as well, rather than clutch kick... FUCKING NOOBS

[brndck]

Originally Posted by godrifttoday

halo car or not, in my own personal opinion i would make someonething for profit first and then for it to be a so-called halo car, i would mark that thing up to make money. the limited amount of cars will only be available to those who can pay for it so, if they are not making a profit from it being 80k i would sell it for a higher price until i satisfy myself on how much we will make...

the whole point isnt to make a profit. its to garner attention. if the r35 cost 125k they couldn't rub it in porsches face that the r35 whoops the gt3whatever for $40k less. its marketing.

[kingkilburn]

Originally Posted by chiboy002

... FUCKING NOOBS

Sounds like you are da masta dorifta.

[Future240]

Originally Posted by godrifttoday

halo car or not, in my own personal opinion i would make someonething for profit first and then for it to be a so-called halo car, i would mark that thing up to make money. the limited amount of cars will only be available to those who can pay for it so, if they are not making a profit from it being 80k i would sell it for a higher price until i satisfy myself on how much we will make...

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

You are missing the point of a halo car and fail at economics.

Agreed with king.

Why can't people understand the concept of making something that isnt for profit and just shows the technical wonder of a company which in turn will make people want to buy other products made by said company?

[chiboy002]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

Sounds like you are da masta dorifta.

excruse me sir, but your a rir bit rong! i just feel that ebrake pulls is definitely not the way to approach drifting. yeah its quick and effective, but honestly if your going to start then at least try doing it right. i suck at drifting, i can barely get my car going sideways and thats because i suck at clutch kicking. but i never pull my ebrake cause its like cheating in a sense. this is all my opinion, don't get offended.


question: how tight should your ebrake be TO lock up the rears? i HAVE tried ebrake pulls 2 times, nothing happened. the car just slowed down a little but it didnt slide out or skid, they just spun like if i was applying light brake pressure... so how tight should it be?

[kingkilburn]

Zilvia is probably not the place for this. This thread certainly is not. You should do a couple of searches and maybe poke around the motor sports section.

[Cash]

Originally Posted by Blacksilvy

sometimes i think there should be regulation of what teenage drivers should be allowed to drive for safety reasons, i mean seriously who wants an 18 yr old brat driving around a 400+ hp car with no experience behind the wheel? not only is it not safe it can get people killed which it has in the past.

Originally Posted by ronmcdon

Economics should be be mandatory high school curriculum.
It is far more relevant than say science, history, and your typical worthless liberal arts classes today imo.

Economics class was mandatory to graduate high school in Georgia when I was in school. My econ teacher was a joke though...

Originally Posted by Geno750

There should also be a simple economic quiz someone needs to pass in order to register to vote, but I digress.

I agree, but then you'd have people crying "discrimination!" We unfortunately have to cater to the stupid due to "freedom and equality for all."

Originally Posted by chiboy002

excruse me sir, but your a rir bit rong! i just feel that ebrake pulls is definitely not the way to approach drifting. yeah its quick and effective, but honestly if your going to start then at least try doing it right. i suck at drifting, i can barely get my car going sideways and thats because i suck at clutch kicking. but i never pull my ebrake cause its like cheating in a sense. this is all my opinion, don't get offended.


question: how tight should your ebrake be TO lock up the rears? i HAVE tried ebrake pulls 2 times, nothing happened. the car just slowed down a little but it didnt slide out or skid, they just spun like if i was applying light brake pressure... so how tight should it be?

Using the e-brake is not wrong or cheating. Even pros use their e-brake. Some use it to initiate, some use to maintain angle, scrub speed, etc.

And when you tried pulling your e-brake, you pushed the clutch in, right? You're not gonna lock up the rear wheels if you're still in gear..