The Future Automotive Thread

[Future240]

I wonder if that turbo 4 will find its way into th baby z.....

[K_style]

I am not really digging the new IS. Especially front nose part.






Lexus IS Luxury Performance Sedan | 2014 | lexus.com

[SimpleS14]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Here's a breakdown of the new Infiniti nomenclature. Basically everything will be a Q going forward and the SUV's will be QX's. So it'll just be a Q37 or Q25 or whatever it is. I'm hoping though that the smaller displacement Q's are actually a smaller car then the Q replacing the G. Not holding my breath though.

Oh I know about that part (Q and QX), my curiosity was around the nameplate for the drivetrain included.

For example, would the Q50 with a diesel be called "Q50d" and the turbo 4 labeled "Q50 2.0t"? It appears they are not relating the number to actual displacement anymore. The president came from Audi and he was also the guy behind the A4, A6, A8 etc. nomenclature.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by SimpleS14

I wonder how they will labeled the car to differentiate the engine. Merc engines in a Nissan just sounds odd.

Really? Then you don't know much about Nissan engine history. LOL Fact is the L Series was an engine line that NIssan bought from Mercedes in the Early Sixties because they had issues with it and decided not to pursue it. Nissan actually ironed out the Issues and made a very robust line of Engines. Among some of the engine lines that are direct descendant of the L Series are NapsZ aka LZ, KA, RB and CA. So this is not as odd as you think. Its actually full circle.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by SimpleS14

Oh I know about that part (Q and QX), my curiosity was around the nameplate for the drivetrain included.

For example, would the Q50 with a diesel be called "Q50d" and the turbo 4 labeled "Q50 2.0t"? It appears they are not relating the number to actual displacement anymore. The president came from Audi and he was also the guy behind the A4, A6, A8 etc. nomenclature.

No, they are. There is an article about the Q37.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Really? Then you don't know much about Nissan engine history. LOL Fact is the L Series was an engine line that NIssan bought from Mercedes in the Early Sixties because they had issues with it and decided not to pursue it. Nissan actually ironed out the Issues and made a very robust line of Engines. Among some of the engine lines that are direct descendant of the L Series are NapsZ aka LZ, KA, RB and CA. So this is not as odd as you think. Its actually full circle.

Meh.... kinda.

Some people think the L-series is an MB mill, but it's not. It was just based off some MB design features from that time.

Nissan/Datsun L Series Engines

[SimpleS14]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

No, they are. There is an article about the Q37.

Link?


Infiniti has just confused me now lol

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Meh.... kinda.

Some people think the L-series is an MB mill, but it's not. It was just based off some MB design features from that time.

Nissan/Datsun L Series Engines

It came from the MB mil, being based off it even proves it in your own words above. In fact if you look at Mercedes 4 cylinder engine from the 1960 model it looks nearly identical to the L series. You post a page written by a a guy in 2007. God only knows how old he is.
It does have quite a bit of correct info but he does not really cover the original design origin of the L series. When you have 30 plus years Nissan experience you can start arguing with me about this. I have it straight from Nissan techs that taught me.


Please don't try to start proving me wrong on the vintage stuff Corbic I was into these cars before you were even born.

Ya you went and made me pull the age card!

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

It came from the MB mil,l being based off it even proves it in your own words above. In fact if you look at Mercedes 4 cylinder engine from the 1960 model it looks nearly identical to the L series. You post a page written by a a guy in 2007. God only knows how old he is. When you have 30 plus years Nissan experience you can start arguing with me about this. I have it straight from Nissan techs that taught me.


Please don't try to start proving me wrong on the vintage stuff Corbic I was into these cars before you were even born.

Ya you went and made me pull the age card!

Not arguing with you, just pointing out that Nissan was licensed at one time to build the MB engine and the L20 was an in house effort, not simply a straight up copy.

To many people say the L24 was a Mercedes engine, to the point that I should expect to pop the hood and see the Benz star on it.

Buick 350 and Chevy 350 look almost identical... but their not.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Not arguing with you, just pointing out that Nissan was licensed at one time to build the MB engine and the L20 was an in house effort, not simply a straight up copy.

To many people say the L24 was a Mercedes engine, to the point that I should expect to pop the hood and see the Benz star on it.

Buick 350 and Chevy 350 look almost identical... but their not.

But you are arguing. Fact is the L20B and A were designed after the L16.

[Dutchmalmiss]

That IS' taillights look like someone click-dragged too long on the lower corner while designing it. Like he sneezed or some shit before he let go.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by SimpleS14

Link?


Infiniti has just confused me now lol

I just tried searching for it (on autoblog which has the worst search) and didn't find it. I either read an article about it or saw a placard at the Detroit Auto Show that said it. I can't remember now.

[Dutchmalmiss]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

I just tried searching for it (on autoblog which has the worst search) and didn't find it. I either read an article about it or saw a placard at the Detroit Auto Show that said it. I can't remember now.

I don't like this new naming system. I think of Audi when Q comes to mind.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by Dutchmalmiss

I don't like this new naming system. I think of Audi when Q comes to mind.

Same here.

[ONYX S-13]

Originally Posted by Dutchmalmiss

That IS' taillights look like someone click-dragged too long on the lower corner while designing it. Like he sneezed or some shit before he let go.

Ha ha ha ha. Yeah right when I saw that I was thinking the same thing. Way too long.

I can live with the rest of the car though.

[SimpleS14]

Saw the new IS in person at the auto show. DAMN that front end is horrendous. I have no idea wtf Toyota was thinking when they designed it.

[tqstarburst]

Just saw this S3K rendering.....YUUUUMM!!
I'd def buy it.

[K_style]

Originally Posted by tqstarburst

Just saw this S3K rendering.....YUUUUMM!!
I'd def buy it.

S3K? Is it coming out on year 3000? LOL..

I guess they are putting V6?

[future]

So they put a yellow Honda sign on a edited lotus

[kingkilburn]

I'll never like seeing the beautiful Essence bastardized into a bloated midsize 4 door.

Nissan and Infiniti would both be miles ahead of the segment if they had just built it.

They show us the Essence, everyone and their dog loves it but its just a design study. Then they show us the Juke, we hear a unanimous meh the world over and seemingly the next day they are in showrooms.

[ONYX S-13]

Originally Posted by Bambi

keep this up and you're gonna get me in trouble. I just blurted out the loudest laugh ever that it startled some people (I'm at work).

[Future240]

We Hear: Toyota Planning Rear-Drive Four-Door Hatch with $20,000 Price - WOT on Motor Trend

This could have the potential to be epic. Though a little sadden at 150HP engine. Even the KA has more.
What's most important thought is it's RWD. Toyota has learned RWD will sell which could (hopefully) send a clear message to the rest of the auto makers.

Edit: The rumor first came in 2010
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/08/10/r...morate-naruse/

[Future240]

I know the comments he makes are old now, but did anyone catch where Nico was having a huge debate basically about the same thing that we are now and Andy Palmer made an account and posted? It's 3 posts in all. Page 6 and 7.

Why Nissan NEEDS an Affordable RWD Sports Car : General Chat - Page 6

[19kouki98]

Originally Posted by Dutchmalmiss

That IS' taillights look like someone click-dragged too long on the lower corner while designing it. Like he sneezed or some shit before he let go.

Think this says it best haha. Honestly don't know what Lexus was thinking. Looks like they're just trying to hard.

[Corbic]

I was totally pumped about the CLA - $29k, gorgeous looking and available turbo 2.0!?! WHAT

Then I heard it was FWD and threw up. Overpriced Passat CC.

[Dutchmalmiss]

I'm offended that he went to NICO and not here, haha. Nonetheless, cruising through those comments, we've covered long before they have. Therefore, we are smarter.

Still cool of him to actually do that though.

Originally Posted by Future240

I know the comments he makes are old now, but did anyone catch where Nico was having a huge debate basically about the same thing that we are now and Andy Palmer made an account and posted? It's 3 posts in all. Page 6 and 7.

Why Nissan NEEDS an Affordable RWD Sports Car : General Chat - Page 6

[K_style]

Originally Posted by Corbic

I was totally pumped about the CLA - $29k, gorgeous looking and available turbo 2.0!?! WHAT

Then I heard it was FWD and threw up. Overpriced Passat CC.

FWD? I didn't know Benz knew how to make FWD vehicles...

None of their vehicles are FWD that I know of till now... WTF..

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by K_style

FWD? I didn't know Benz knew how to make FWD vehicles...

None of their vehicles are FWD that I know of till now... WTF..

Mercedes has done a good job hiding these abortions from US Consumers.

While MB is the corner stone of luxury in America, in the rest of the world you can get 1.2l diesels pulling 4,000lb cars with no A/C and cloth seats that runs taxi duty.

Same is true for BMW.

The CLA is based off the A-class platform. Rumor is the next BMW-1 will be FWD/Mini based as well.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by Corbic

I was totally pumped about the CLA - $29k, gorgeous looking and available turbo 2.0!?! WHAT

Then I heard it was FWD and threw up. Overpriced Passat CC.

Ah, lame. I was excited for it too. Mane that sucks.

Originally Posted by Future240

We Hear: Toyota Planning Rear-Drive Four-Door Hatch with $20,000 Price - WOT on Motor Trend

This could have the potential to be epic. Though a little sadden at 150HP engine. Even the KA has more.
What's most important thought is it's RWD. Toyota has learned RWD will sell which could (hopefully) send a clear message to the rest of the auto makers.

Edit: The rumor first came in 2010
Report: Toyota considering RWD hatch to commemorate Naruse

The HP doesn't sound accurate for a sporty RWD sedan, but that's the segment that Ive been waiting for.

[K_style]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Mercedes has done a good job hiding these abortions from US Consumers.

While MB is the corner stone of luxury in America, in the rest of the world you can get 1.2l diesels pulling 4,000lb cars with no A/C and cloth seats that runs taxi duty.

Same is true for BMW.

The CLA is based off the A-class platform. Rumor is the next BMW-1 will be FWD/Mini based as well.

Oh.. NVMD I remember seeing hideous A class in Canada which is FWD also..