Tein Coilover GB

[Rcs476]

So is the dampening on the Type flex's adjustable with out the Edfc or do you need the Edfc to adjust this? I like the idea of being able to adjust them from inside the car. But these "modules", do the connect to the body of the shock, or do the connect somewhere where they won't be exposed therefore reducing the possibility of corrosion. The most important question is the first, but if you can answer both, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

[Takumi]

It would suck hardcore if those $400 little boxes that enables you to adjust your dampening electronically fails after a few hard runs at the track and after some daily driving.  We'd wanna pay for a dependable module that's guaranteed not to fail.  I sure hope they've tested this little buggers on their cars to make sure they aren't prone to failure in the future.

[DrDubbleB]

Yes, all is adjustable w/o the EDFC.  The purpose of the EDFC is just to make life a little bit easier.  Personally, if I were going to get the Type Flex though, I don't think that I would get the EDFC right away because it is still in testing, they are also testing to see if it will be able to be used on their other types of coilovers.  I don't know how long they would last, but I'm sure that some kind of warantee would come with them.
I know that they would be located on the coilover itself, but since they are made out of corrosion resistent material, weather shouldn't be a problem.

[Takumi]

For future references, this might sound like a silly question, but how do you adjust the dampening?  Is there a knob somewhere on top of the shock or something or what?

[lostprojects]

I have personally never dealt with Tien's, but I have had other shocks that were adjustable. To adjust the dampening, it's just a knob on the shock itself.

As for the credit card statement, well, I am breaking the law. I am sorry that I have to charge the 3%, but if you think about it, if I don't I will actually loose money. I guess I am here not to only provide better prices for this GB, but also here to loose money after it's all said and done? Think about it.

The 400 dollar box is just for convienence, like DrD said. I don't think the EDFC is a high tech device, rather a simple electronic part that sends a simple message to the suspension, letting it know what setting the driver demands. I think the only difference between the coilovers are just that the Flex responds to both a simple turn of the knob, and also a electronic signal. Anyone with knowledge of electronics, I think will be able to figure something out without spending the extra $300.

Ian

[sil80]

Does anyone have a good link to read up on the features of each Tein CO.

[sil80]

Here is the info incase anyone else wants to read it.

S13
HA - 977.50
(contents of damper kit)
Damper (4), Main Spring (4)
Helper Spring (4), Lower spring seat (4)
Seat lock (4), Spacer spring seat (4)
Thrust washer (4), Bump rubber (4)
Height measuring gage, Instruction manual
Hook Spaner(2)
*Upper spring seat comes included for strut type model
In addition to the basic function of the Type HR Damper, we have added damping level adjustments. The variety of so much different damping effect is able to cover all setting range needed from soft (a degree of your vehicle's original damper) to hard (stiff as the N1 endurance race car) in 16 levels
Type HA can be disassembled so that dampers can be overhauled and settings changed. A different spring rate for the HA damper is also available on request with recommendatery spec
All dampers fit directly into the original upper mount. However, we offer an up grade upper mount kit which replaces the rubber bush with a pillow ball (spherical bearing).

HE - 1156
Full length Adjustable shock absorber x4
Main spring x4, Lower spring Seat x4,Spring Seat lock x8
Bump rubber x4, Dust cover x4, Pillow ball upper mount x4
Hook spanner x2, Instruction manual
Amazing damper for drift (side way) drivers.
At last,TEIN has released a special damper for drift(side way). This high performance damper is reasonably priced and makes it possible to set, which attaches importance to drift(side way) control. Get it now!

RA - 1564
Set Details
Adjustable Damper X 4, Main spring X 4
Sub spring X 4, Lower spring seat X 4
Spacer spring seat X 4, Thrust washer X 4
Bump rubber X 4, Duster boots X 4, Pillow upper mount X 4
Height measuring gauge, Instruction manual
Damping effect adjusting tool
This product has adopted into its package, the specifications used in the rally field such as the World Rally Championship. We have constructed a footwork for you which puts priority into its function
A high grade specification which gives you a unique driving feeling
Introduction of specifications used at competition levels
Adopted a single rod structure for better reception between driver and road surface.
A linear damping effect which catches even the smallest road surface information by adopting the single rod structure
Seamless tube using a drawing method. Processing technology which enables a high level of precision up to 1/100mm of the inner diameter. Inner surface precision up to 3.2S (inner surface bumps within +/- 1.6 micrometer)
Use of ultra light and strong aluminum - A7050 which is also used in airplanes
A I.D.45 piston which is maximum for marketed cars' shock absorber
A different diameter multi-level valve structure which enables damping effect and specifications adjustment.
The damping effect adjustment structure uses a evolved version of the special shaped needle valve which has already been proven in the HA/NA dampers.

RE - 1870
Full length Adjustable shock absorber x4, Main spring x4
Lower spring Seat x4,Spring Seat lock x8
Bump rubber x4, Dust cover x4, Pillow ball upper mount x4
Hook spanner x2, Instruction manual
Ride height is adjustable without chaging the preload of the spring,which is a special feature of the full-length adjustable system with threads on the lower bracket
For circuit racing,Type RA damper with an added full-length adjustment system.
The damping force is adjustable up to 16 levels.

RS - 2218.50
Individual Comp/Rebump Adjustable shock absorber x4
Main spring x4, Lower spring Seat x4,Spring Seat lock x4
Bump rubber x4, Dust cover x4, Pillow ball upper mount x4
Hook spanner x2, Instruction manual
Wishbone suspension and multi-link suspension have a reserve oil tank for larger oil capasity. Compression and rebound damping force is adjustable separetely by an additional base valve on reserve oil tank. An inverted type is adapted on strut type suspensions for more horizontal stability.
For advanced circuit racing
Compression and rebound damping force is adjustable separately(16 levels x 16 levels

Flex - 1326
Adjustable shock absorber x4, Main spring x4
Lower spring Seat x4,Spring Seat lock x12
Bump rubber x4, Dust cover x4
Hook spanner x2, Instruction manual
*Strut suspension comes with upper spring seat.


******Do they makes these for the 240sx?*******

PILLOW BALL TENSION ROD
The rubber bush of the tension rod has been replaced with pillow balls (spherical bearing) in all TEIN's Pillow Ball Tension Rod to eliminate tow change through compliance on acceleration or deceleration and allow only for vertical movement by the lower - arms. It also reduces the roll at corners and creates quicker steering response.
In addition, the wheel alignment (caster angle) can be set through adjustments.

[DrDubbleB]

Thanks for contributing Sil80, that was good information that you provided.  As far as the Pillowball Tension Rod is concerned, yes, they do make them for the 240sx.  The MSRP is $220 for both S13 and S14 models.

[sil80]

DrD, how many people are doing this group buy? Do we have to hit a certain number for this to happen?
Also what do you think is better - HE vs Flex? Im torn..... The HE are so-called ment for drifting, and well that is what I do. But does the Flex have the same damper ability as the HE.

Thanks for putting this all together!

Lostprojects, Thanks for taking a big hit for us. There are some of us that appreciate what your doing.

Edited for grammer

[lostprojects]

Just spoke to Tein today, the EDFC should be out in two weeks.  

Just thought you all might want to know.

Thanks

[DrDubbleB]

Nevermind, I guess I kind of misread what West meant when we lost a days worth of posts.  If anybody needs me to reanswer any questions, let me know, and I will.  If you want to wait it out until we find out if the old posts will be brought back, that's fine too.

[tigerbucks]

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> Anyone heard of the Super Street Dampers? &nbsp;Any GB prices on those?

[DrDubbleB]

I feel stupid...I went to Tein's site, and the Super Street Dampers are indeed a Tein product. &nbsp;They don't make them for the 240 though.

[Chokudori]

So how do I get in on the GB? Do I e-mail someone? I might be interested in the T/C rods

[DrDubbleB]

To get in on the GB, you can e-mail me, and then I can get you in touch with Ian, or you can wait until I re-post the topic with all of the necessary information on how to go about payment and all of that kind of stuff. &nbsp;That topic will be posted about a month from now, since the GB is going to happen around May 20th.

[HKrpS13]

I got a question,
What do you do if the shocks die out?
Do you have to replace the whole thing or is there something?

[DSC]

Good price on the T/c rods. I'm definately in for those.

Dr, be sure to put another post up in chat when the new post is up, otherwise I probably won't see it. &nbsp;Would I just send Ian a check or is it COD or what?

BTW, about the credit card, companies get charged a fee for getting money through the credit card if they don't use it a certian ammount. &nbsp;Like huge companies like amazon wouldn't get charged a fee but someone who sells less through credit cards would get charged a fee. &nbsp;So there is no way he could possably give us a GB this good and not pass the credit card fee on to the buyer.

[adey]

T/C rods? two questions: firstly what are they (i hear them a lot but don't know what they are... what do t and c stand for?) and also, is this included in the GB? I thought this was for Tein coilovers ONLY.

[DrDubbleB]

HKrpS13, I personally am not sure about the question you are asking. &nbsp;I imagine you would have to replace the entire coilover package. &nbsp;If you like, I could e-mail Tein with this question to be certain.

DSC, I will definitely post in chat whenever I get the new topic up in here, that's when I planned on having the payment information included, but for now, unless Ian says otherwise, I'm assuming that you would have to send him a check (otherwise we would be talking a lot of money for him to put out on the line when people might not come through).

adey, the T/C (Pillowball Tension Rods) rods are included in the GB. &nbsp;Straight from Tein's website, here's what they do:

"The rubber bush of the tension rod has been replaced with pillow balls (spherical bearing) in all TEIN's Pillow Ball Tension Rod to eliminate tow change through compliance on acceleration or deceleration and allow only for vertical movement by the lower - arms. It also reduces the roll at corners and creates quicker steering response.
In addition, the wheel alignment (caster angle) can be set through adjustments.
Rod End & Pillow Boots
By adopting NMB's 3 piece rod end - HRT16E -, we have achieved outstanding endurance for the products. We have added protective boots for better weather resistance with the safety regulations.

Tension Rod
Machine structured carbon steel - S45C - has been adopted for the material.

Serration Bolt
High tension material SCM435 has been used for the bolt. As it is already pressed in the rod, installation time has been reduced.

Pillow Collar
Machine structured carbon steel - S45C - has been adopted for the material with high anti - corrode nickel - plated.

Lock Nut
There is 10mm adjustment width on the lock nut. The original setting is at the center, so adjustment can be made on the range of +/- 5mm (+/- 15mm for those with turn buckle)"

[nrcooled]

This is definately an awsome deal if I can get the money together I am definately in. Thanks to Lostprojects and DrD for the opportunity to save a ton of money <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

Will I have to purchace anything else to make the coilovers go on my car or does the HA kit come with everything I need to install those bad boys <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

[DrDubbleB]

The HA kit comes with everything you need to install. &nbsp;The only thing that the HA kit does not come with, I believe, are Upper Pillowball mounts (which do come in some of Tein's other packages). &nbsp;They are not necessary, but will improve your handling characteristics quite noticeably, but at the same time, they will make for a bit harsher ride.

nrcooled, I think that you posted earlier that you wanted to get into drifting right? &nbsp;Tein makes a special coilover for drifting, the Type HE's...just a heads up if you want to get serious. &nbsp;More information can be found here... &nbsp;www.tein.com

[adey]

ttt


TC rods are $220 @ MSRP, I assume there's the 15% on these as well...? making it 187 per set.

What are shipping prices going to be like? I assume Lostprojects are based in florida (seeing the Florida plates on the 240 on their page....?)
I'm looking at both coilovers and the TC rods but since I'm in CA, shipping prices may well negate any savings on the GB price. . .

Also flipping through the previous pages, I can't find a confimred end date on these-- is it going to end on the 15th, or start on May 15th? Can we order, pay and have our stuff shipped out BEFORE then? I think a lot of us need more concrete info before getting in on this.

Thanks and <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'> &nbsp;to DrB and lostprojects for getting this together! I'd love to give you my business provided the final (read: shipped) prices are reasonable.

[DrDubbleB]

I will have to ask about the thought of purchasing before the end date, which will be May 20th, I am unsure if that will be allowed or not.

As for the shipping prices, that's something that I have yet to ask as well. &nbsp;I will see if he wants me to get everyone in touch with him, or if that's something that will be addressed in the next posting of this topic (which will be in the beginning of May), but as for where Lost Projects is located, you got it right, it's in Tampa Bay, FL.

Yes, the Pillowball Tension Rods are included in the GB.

I'll keep everyone informed.

[DrDubbleB]

Ok, I talked to Ian about the shipping. &nbsp;He said it would be a $20 flat rate for the GB. &nbsp;That means if you live in Georgia and you are going to order Pillowball Tension Rods, then shipping will be $20. &nbsp;On the other hand if you live in Washington state and you order Coilovers and Pillowball Tension Rods, shipping will also be $20. &nbsp;For most people it's going to be a good deal though because Coilovers are not light.

Any questions...you know where to reach me. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'>

[adey]

Any new info on this? Can we pre-order? When does it start and are we already taking names? Can we get it pre-delivered (errr)?
I'm looking forward to this (provided cash finds me)...

[DrDubbleB]

I will post a new post on everything when the date gets closer. &nbsp;It's not going to just be a one-day thing, it will probably be for at least a week or two. &nbsp;If you want to order now though, it does not count towards the GB. &nbsp;I'll post everything at the beginning of May, I'll let everyone know when it's up by posting a topic in the General Forum. &nbsp;Until then, if you have anymore questions, feel free to ask.

[adey]

Excellent. Thanks for organizing this, and I look forward to May!

[95silvia]

DrDubbleB

i sent you an email for my need

95 base with na z wheels for FLEX dampers....

got a ? for you?

was wondering what springs to get if the car is 90% daily street driving....and 10% meets/drag.....

i heard that FLEX springs are soft as compared to HA's....
just wondering what u recommend?

ROB

[DrDubbleB]

Since you have an S14 the type flex are softer than the HA's. &nbsp;If you aren't going to drag much then the springs that come with should be fine, just adjust the damping when needed to a stiffer setting in the back (you won't need much stiffer in the front). &nbsp;You can either adjust it manually or you can adjust it w/ the EDFC (which are being released soon).

I don't want to turn you off or anything, but I will tell you this much. &nbsp;Some sort of spring/shock combo will be much cheaper then coilovers if you only want them for drag racing. &nbsp;That's just my .02 about that (just tryin' to save you money if you are going the drag race route).

If you still want to go w/ coilovers though, then the Type Flex is probably the best for daily driving, but can be used for both track use and drag racing alike, there's really no need to change the springs.

[sil80]

Just a question - Would lost projects be willing to give deals on other products? Example I planned on getting the front & rear sway bars from whitelines. Will he give me a deal on those? What about a camber correction kit for the people that get the HA's. Since the HE's have the upper pillowball mounts we wont need to get a camber correction kit, is that correct?
This is just a question not a demand, just trying to give more business to lostprojects. You all ready know im a in for the HE's and TC rods.