Coronavirus disease (COVID-19) Thread

[zombiewolf513]

Kim Jong Un Executes Coronavirus Rule Breaker

It's all fun and games until someone gets shot at church

[ixfxi]

Originally Posted by mr.nismo.

I will not ever tell you what to do, but you can also kindly fuck off in trying to force me to do what y o u feel like we should do. Your situation may be cool for you to stay home for 3 months straight, but not everyone is in your situation. Keep the vulnerable protected, stay home if you're that worried about it, and let everyone else do their thing.

preach on!!!

I keep saying it: Life is for the living

If you want to barricade yourself home, more power to ya. I'm gonna hit the beach and enjoy my life. People say that its selfish. Well, I call it survival of the fittest.

[zombiewolf513]

You racist assholes always calling it "Chinese food" . THATS RACIST. YOURE RACIST.

[mr.nismo.]

The other side of the coin that's not talked about...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...amid-lockdowns

https://www.bioedge.org/mobile/view/...ockdowns/13626

https://www.losangelesblade.com/2020...dered-suicide/

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[KA24DESOneThree]

It's talked about, but ~3k people a day aren't dying of suicide so it's a lesser issue. If we have 2018 levels of suicide this year, suicide death numbers will be approximately 20% of COVID-related death numbers.

[mr.nismo.]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

It's talked about, but ~3k people a day aren't dying of suicide so it's a lesser issue. If we have 2018 levels of suicide this year, suicide death numbers will be approximately 20% of COVID-related death numbers.

No, it really isn't talked about. You get articles here and there, msm coverage is dry. Suicides are just a part of the other side of the coin btw...

I also would like to repoint out the JHU article in my last post in regard to deaths from covid.



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[!Zar!]

My company and many other have had a huge focus on mental health throughout this whole ordeal. I do feel at the county level, resources for mental health should have for all who need it.

Saying we should get rid of lockdown because of a related issue begins the argument of which is the lesser of two evils.

[mr.nismo.]

Originally Posted by !Zar!

My company and many other have had a huge focus on mental health throughout this whole ordeal. I do feel at the county level, resources for mental health should have for all who need it.

Saying we should get rid of lockdown because of a related issue begins the argument of which is the lesser of two evils.

I will also refer back to the last long post I made. No iteration of a lockdown with a large population has worked. We've seen the results of that. Not everyone has a company to support them with their mental health. There are resources here in CA that the governor touts in his briefings, but rates are still going up.

Edit// forgot to add it's not just A related issue, but a shit ton of issues: suicide, depression, job loss, business loss, crushing debt, evictions, domestic violence...

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[!Zar!]

Originally Posted by mr.nismo.

I will also refer back to the last long post I made. No iteration of a lockdown with a large population has worked. We've seen the results of that. Not everyone has a company to support them with their mental health. There are resources here in CA that the governor touts in his briefings, but rates are still going up.

Edit// forgot to add it's not just A related issue, but a shit ton of issues: suicide, depression, job loss, business loss, crushing debt, evictions, domestic violence...

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What would your proposed idea be to go about this?

[mr.nismo.]

Originally Posted by !Zar!

What would your proposed idea be to go about this?

Individual risk assessment. Protect the vulnerable population (elderly, co morbidities, etc). Open up economically while masking/social distancing. If your risk assessment is to stay home, it's your right to choose that. For those who asses they're okay with going out, can do so. Limit indoor capacities to 50% (including employees), while trying to take advantage of outdoor areas to try to get as close as possible to 100% of capacity income. Let the economy start to fix itself. With that, herd immunity will also set in. Both of which are going to take time. The first shut down already caused long term damage, but it can at least start to be relieved. I said in an earlier post (can't remember if it's here or presidential thread), shutting everything down and forcing people to stay home it's only for those who risk assessed that they're okay going out. You don't need a ordinance for people who risk asses to stay home, they'll do it themselves.

My fear living in CA is once we are on the other side of this, we are going to get taxed to death to recoup budget loss. Hopefully the French Laundry dinner Newsom had wasn't written off as a business expense.

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[KA24DESOneThree]

Individual risk assessment would work if individuals were fully aware of the risk.

They are not.

They have proven, time and time again, that they will not wear masks and do not fully believe in the veracity of studies and tests. They believe the government is feeding them lies, and that liars are feeding them truth. They believe what they want to believe, and they cannot adequately assess something they don't consider a risk at all.

What happens when an underinsured COVID-denier ends up with a million-dollar hospital bill? Who foots the cost of their stupidity?

Who pays the salary of someone who decided they're not okay to go out?

It's whose right to do what and when?

Ignorance cannot be fought with freedom. There's a friggin' bouncer at the door of a popular convenience store on Pala Reservation because too many people refused to wear masks.

Other countries are able to control the spread because their populace isn't chock full o' nuts.

[zombiewolf513]

Youre a special kind of authoritarian bitch boy, arent you?

[deolio]

Originally Posted by mr.nismo.

With that, herd immunity will also set in

Did you read that article on Sweden I shared or nah? I?m gonna guess nah. Heard immunity only works if you?re willing to sacrifice everyone and anyone. One person takes a risk, we all take the risk. That?s the problem with these half measures. Either whole-ass it or no-ass it, no half-assing will suffice.

[mr.nismo.]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Individual risk assessment would work if individuals were fully aware of the risk.

They are not.

They have proven, time and time again, that they will not wear masks and do not fully believe in the veracity of studies and tests. They believe the government is feeding them lies, and that liars are feeding them truth. They believe what they want to believe, and they cannot adequately assess something they don't consider a risk at all.

So your logic here is that people are too stupid/choose not to to understand, so lock everyone down for it? That definitely makes sense.. Would you like to remove everything that causes harm to other people that's actually preventable as well? Say cars for example, since there's thousands of preventable deaths from DUI/distracted/reckless driving? If no one has cars, those deaths can't happen anymore, right? And if you're trying to scale it in numbers, the concept doesn't change. And even then, again, the JHU study I posted about the Covid numbers to total US deaths.

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

What happens when an underinsured COVID-denier ends up with a million-dollar hospital bill? Who foots the cost of their stupidity?

Taxpayers, like how that already happens here in CA for undocumented immigrants? I don't know about the rest of the country, but uhh, that's already happening, so no large change there.

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Who pays the salary of someone who decided they're not okay to go out?

It's whose right to do what and when?

Government can help step in with that, along with employers. Set pay at current disability rates (I believe in CA it's 65% of your pay). That should be more than unemployment with the 300$ federal benefit that will expire as well. Then that would be much more than the unemployment alone. Like if you're declaring your risk assessment to your employer? Just like how you can claim long term leave of absence. That will be harder for "job" types of jobs than "career with benefits" jobs, but that would be an assessment with employers/employees and state laws (which are already in place for leave related to covid).

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Ignorance cannot be fought with freedom. There's a friggin' bouncer at the door of a popular convenience store on Pala Reservation because too many people refused to wear masks.

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This is true. But not everyone agrees with your mindset of "lock everyone down because of the stupidity of others making stupid choices".

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Other countries are able to control the spread because their populace isn't chock full o' nuts.

Why did the EU recently have another wave?

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[mr.nismo.]

Originally Posted by deolio

Did you read that article on Sweden I shared or nah? I?m gonna guess nah. Heard immunity only works if you?re willing to sacrifice everyone and anyone. One person takes a risk, we all take the risk. That?s the problem with these half measures. Either whole-ass it or no-ass it, no half-assing will suffice.

When did you post it?

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[KA24DESOneThree]

Originally Posted by mr.nismo.

So your logic here is that people are too stupid/choose not to to understand, so lock everyone down for it? That definitely makes sense.. Would you like to remove everything that causes harm to other people that's actually preventable as well? Say cars for example, since there's thousands of preventable deaths from DUI/distracted/reckless driving? If no one has cars, those deaths can't happen anymore, right? And if you're trying to scale it in numbers, the concept doesn't change. And even then, again, the JHU study I posted about the Covid numbers to total US deaths.

You're playing the "jumping to conclusions game." It's popular, I'll give you that. Tom Smykowski is just raking in the cash.

Originally Posted by mr.nismo.

Taxpayers, like how that already happens here in CA for undocumented immigrants? I don't know about the rest of the country, but uhh, that's already happening, so no large change there.

The difference is that it already happens and COVID-19 adds on top. Budgets are tight and with a contracting tax base, they're going to get tighter.

Originally Posted by mr.nismo.

Government can help step in with that, along with employers. Set pay at current disability rates (I believe in CA it's 65% of your pay). That should be more than unemployment with the 300$ federal benefit that will expire as well. Then that would be much more than the unemployment alone. Like if you're declaring your risk assessment to your employer? Just like how you can claim long term leave of absence. That will be harder for "job" types of jobs than "career with benefits" jobs, but that would be an assessment with employers/employees and state laws (which are already in place for leave related to covid).

States are running out of money. A divided congress doesn't want to release funds.

Originally Posted by mr.nismo.

This is true. But not everyone agrees with your mindset of "lock everyone down because of the stupidity of others making stupid choices".

Again, you're jumping to conclusions. What it seems that I'm saying and what I'm saying are two different things. Look through my posts in this thread and see what I've said and what I've advocated for.

Originally Posted by mr.nismo.

Why did the EU recently have another wave?

If you ease restrictions, you'll have another wave. The EU isn't like NZ; they can't just wholesale close the borders.

Every single thing needs to be laid out by people who are smarter than you or me and there needs to be a contingency for everything. Trump's White House is incapable of building a task force that is appropriately intelligent.

[deolio]

Originally Posted by mr.nismo.

When did you post it?

Page 18 in response to your previous mentioning of herd immunity.

Originally Posted by deolio

A good, albeit tedious read https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...ierce-backlash

The risk vs reward is very high. I surely wouldn't want to be the one responsible for people's death. In the end, to me, it boils down to life or money, but I realize I'm lucky enough to have the choice when may people do not.

Though, at this point, it seems like the herd immunity thing is going to happen whether we want it to or not. Shit is out of god damn control. Next 6 months are going to be rough.

[mr.nismo.]

Originally Posted by deolio

Page 18 in response to your previous mentioning of herd immunity.



Though, at this point, it seems like the herd immunity thing is going to happen whether we want it to or not. Shit is out of god damn control. Next 6 months are going to be rough.

We're going to get locked down anyways (at least here in CA). Not much of a point anymore. Albeit I'll read your article.

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[mr.nismo.]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

You're playing the "jumping to conclusions game." It's popular, I'll give you that. Tom Smykowski is just raking in the cash.

I mean.. you literally said "they can't assess something they don't consider a risk". To me, it sounds like you've grouped everyone that disagrees with lockdowns into that. That's not really jumping to a conclusion.

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

The difference is that it already happens and COVID-19 adds on top. Budgets are tight and with a contracting tax base, they're going to get tighter.






States are running out of money. A divided congress doesn't want to release funds.

Oh, okay.

https://www.sacbee.com/news/californ...247409345.html

Anyhow, congress is divided because just throwing gobs of money (specifically the hero's act amounts) is insane. Where will that money come from?

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Again, you're jumping to conclusions. What it seems that I'm saying and what I'm saying are two different things. Look through my posts in this thread and see what I've said and what I've advocated for.



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I'll have to read back I guess since all I've gotten so far is lock down everything.

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

If you ease restrictions, you'll have another wave. The EU isn't like NZ; they can't just wholesale close the borders.



Every single thing needs to be laid out by people who are smarter than you or me and there needs to be a contingency for everything. Trump's White House is incapable of building a task force that is appropriately intelligent.

So like I've asked more than a few times... You think that let up/lockdown merry go round is the way to do it?



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[zombiewolf513]

I still haven't seen anyone post proof that 'face coverings' are effective.

[deolio]

Originally Posted by zombiewolf513

I still haven't seen anyone post proof that 'face coverings' are effective.

Still a moot point. Just the right making up dumb bullshit to complain about for no reason.

Yet again the anti-choice "all lives matter"-yelling dimwits see no irony in their anti-mask bullshit.

[LEG1T]

N E W Z E. A L. A. N. D

America is what’s wrong, look at what’s right for answers^^^^

When you have a country of competent leadership, you get competent results.

[mrmephistopheles]

Originally Posted by LEG1T

When you have a country of competent leadership, you get competent results.

Not to be a contrarian, but those being led must be willing to put their selfish desires aside for the greater good. Such a thing is a hard ask in the US due to the very nature of our culture.

[LEG1T]

Originally Posted by mrmephistopheles

Not to be a contrarian, but those being led must be willing to put their selfish desires aside for the greater good. Such a thing is a hard ask in the US due to the very nature of our culture.

Exactly.. And when you have our leader doing the absolute opposite certainly we can both agree this only inflicts the wound.

Hence our numbers and where we are today.

[zombiewolf513]

Originally Posted by deolio

Still a moot point. Just the right making up dumb bullshit to complain about for no reason.

Yet again the anti-choice "all lives matter"-yelling dimwits see no irony in their anti-mask bullshit.

Still waiting on that evidence. My body my choice. Its okay to be white, and all lives matter. Prove me wrong.

[mrmephistopheles]

Originally Posted by zombiewolf513

all lives matter

Keep rooting for pedophiles, nazis, murderers, car thieves and so on.

[zombiewolf513]

Originally Posted by mrmephistopheles

Keep rooting for pedophiles, nazis, murderers, car thieves and so on.

is there something wrong with those things?

[deolio]

Originally Posted by zombiewolf513

Still waiting on that evidence. My body my choice. Its okay to be white, and all lives matter. Prove me wrong.

It should be self-evident that a covering over mouth and nose would be better than nothing. No proof or evidence is needed in common sense situations. You sound like a toddler who doesn?t want to eat their peas.

[zombiewolf513]

still waiting on that proof

[deolio]

Originally Posted by zombiewolf513

still waiting on that proof

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