2011-2012 NBA Season Thread

[SimpleS14]

Old documentary, but I just saw it on Netflix and thought it was pretty good. Anyone else see this?

[Riq]

Chris Sheridan ex-Espn insider writer wrote on his blog that the Nba met yesturday and will be meeting today and tomorrow. He also said that they are much closer to a deal than most have reported. He said that they are roughly $173m away from a deal as well as the hard cap situation being figured out. Owners want a hard cap to go into effect in the next 3 years but if that happens the Miami Heat (the reason the nba did so well this year) would have to break up the big 3 as well as teams like Dallas, L.A, NY etc. On top of that the players would have to retroactively pay back an absurd amount of money back. The players are 100% against this so this would have to be worked out. Other than that I see the NBA season starting on time . Oh and there may be a third round in the NBA draft in the new cba. The way it will work is that the 15 lotto teams will get 2 picks each in the first round while the other teams start picking in the second round. This should help terribad teams like the Cav's and Wolves since they would get 2 chances to get it right in the first roumd without needing to trade for the picks.

[Phlip]

I think a third round in the draft is a bad idea… Seriously, look at how many players in the FIRST round wind up not panning out in 3-5 seasons. All a third round would do is create more underclassmen entering the league, damning the overall talent levels with the ones that make it in for a couple years and damning the overall talent levels in college for the sheer number that leave.

[Riq]

Originally Posted by Phlip

I think a third round in the draft is a bad idea… Seriously, look at how many players in the FIRST round wind up not panning out in 3-5 seasons. All a third round would do is create more underclassmen entering the league, damning the overall talent levels with the ones that make it in for a couple years and damning the overall talent levels in college for the sheer number that leave.

I agree 100% but I guess this is a way to help the mismanaged teams get better. If you look at it, the elite teams dont count on the draft to be competitive. I'm almost 100% sure that if there is a 3rd round 90% of those players dont make a roster. I see it as a small step towards shutting the mouths of the owners that brought this lockout in the first place dew to their terrible team management and bad contracts. If they can't make money picking up the best players in the draft they will have no one to blame but themselves.

[Gnnr]

I don't see there being any NBA 'till 2012.

[Riq]

Trust there will be Gnnr, the NBA had a huge year last season and the owners know that fans can quickly boycot the league all together. If that happens, no one makes money. Plus like I said they're not far away from a deal. I feel a deal will be reached by October 1st, commen sense will take control of this pissing contest with the owners and players

[Gnnr]

Yes, but I have no faith in the parties involved. I really do think they are that stupid.

[revat619]

Originally Posted by Riq

Trust there will be Gnnr, the NBA had a huge year last season and the owners know that fans can quickly boycot the league all together. If that happens, no one makes money. Plus like I said they're not far away from a deal. I feel a deal will be reached by October 1st, commen sense will take control of this pissing contest with the owners and players

I REALLY want to 100% agree with you on this, but....

Originally Posted by Gnnr

Yes, but I have no faith in the parties involved. I really do think they are that stupid.

part of me cant shake those same sentiments....

Why?


Stern.

[Riq]

Originally Posted by revat619

I REALLY want to 100% agree with you on this, but....



part of me cant shake those same sentiments....

Why?


Stern.

I agree that Stern is a tool much like Roger Godell for the NFL. My faith is in the fact that the owners are business men that understand they're playing with fire. Although both sides are keeping it hush hush it did get out that the players went into yesturdays meeting pleeding with the NBA and asking them what can be done to end this nonsense. At this point from what I have read, the owners undetstand that they can't have it 100% their way. Next Tuesday will be huge, the union will update the players as well as show them the proposed deal and the NBA will do the same with the owners. We can use next week as a good indicator for what is to come but even if nothing happens, as long as a deal is reached by october 1st, we will have 1 week of training camp, maybe a 2 game presseason and a 82 game season. This is why I still have hope, if a deal isn't reached on time, the 20 teams that claim to be losing money will lose alot more for years to come and that would make this whole process pointless.

[Riq]

Very happy to see that sports Illustrated reported that over the weekend Derrick Fisher had been texting players to be inshape and ready to start the season on time. Looks like the owners new proposal is much better than their first but we wont know that until thursday.

[enkei2k]

Ron Artest is now officially Metta World Peace...

in other news, I really think the NBA should do something about their D-League. Either use it well like in the MLB or just close it up altogether. When was the last time you heard some really hyped up player get called up to the NBA? MLB you hear about them almost every day. If the owners want to save money, disband the D-League altogether.

[revat619]

Originally Posted by enkei2k

Ron Artest is now officially Metta World Peace...

in other news, I really think the NBA should do something about their D-League. Either use it well like in the MLB or just close it up altogether. When was the last time you heard some really hyped up player get called up to the NBA? MLB you hear about them almost every day. If the owners want to save money, disband the D-League altogether.

I am officially tired of ARTEST and his antics....

and good point about the D-league. They definitely need to take a lesson from MLB. As of right now, it's absolutely retarded.

[Gnnr]

For you Miami ppl, there will be a celebrity exhibition game with Wade and Lebron tonight on CBS4 at 7:30pm, then the broadcast will switch to My33 at 8:00PM.

[Riq]

Yep, the wife and I can't wait to see it. As far as the lockout goes, it's not 11:59pm on Monday yet so we may still have a full season.

[Riq]

OVERTIME! This game is turning out to be pretty epic. Lbj showing his post game and DWade blocking his shot. Melo looking pretty clutch with the 3 to send it to overtime.

[Riq]

As of 6pm eastern tonight the owners and players are back at a meeting. Here is to hoping they get it done tonight. That game lastnight only made me miss the NBA more...

[Gnnr]

I actually missed it and the DVR was set wrong. Watching the online stream.

All Star Classic « CBS Miami

Edit: Also found a youtube link

[enkei2k]

first two weeks are gone.

NBA cancels season's first two weeks - NBA News | FOX Sports on MSN

dumb ass owners and players. they should just give 100% of the BRI to the fans LOL

[Riq]

Originally Posted by enkei2k

first two weeks are gone.

NBA cancels season's first two weeks - NBA News | FOX Sports on MSN

dumb ass owners and players. they should just give 100% of the BRI to the fans LOL

Dumb owners not players. It's the owners that locked them out, its also the owners that are asking the players for everything including saving badly managed teams. The players have actually given the owners alot of what they want but the owners want more. Greed= fuck the fans, sadly enough. The owners claim a $300m loss, for each % point of BRI the players give up from their current 57%= $20m. The players have given up 4points= $80m and they were willing to give up one more to get it done. that would give the owners $100m of the claimed $300m loss (which by the way there is no proof of because the owners refuse to open the books). I'm angry because I remember how much it sucked during the strike in 98' but the players are truely not at fault on this one. It's all David Stern and the bunch of greed driven dicks that he has allowed to buy these franchises. It's not about winning like the owners claim, it's only about money and they feel like the fans are going to rush back as soon as they decide they should.

[lucky7]

Originally Posted by enkei2k

first two weeks are gone.

NBA cancels season's first two weeks - NBA News | FOX Sports on MSN

dumb ass owners and players. they should just give 100% of the BRI to the fans LOL

it's perfect. if the NBA never resumes, that would be more than fine.

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by lucky7

it's perfect. if the NBA never resumes, that would be more than fine.

Please relegate yourself to threads on topics that interest you instead of dropping in on ones that don't just to fling shit, thank you.

Back to the topic at hand...

Amar'e Stoudemire believes NBA players will form own league if season is canceled - NBA News | FOX Sports on MSN

Amar'e should PROBABLY shut the fuck up.
"man, if we don't have a league for 2-3 years and we want to play ball against top level talent, we're gonna have to start our own league"
That is laughable.

[ALTRNTV]

Originally Posted by lucky7

it's perfect. if the NBA never resumes, that would be more than fine.

You again? Go back to your hockey thread.

[lucky7]

the entire thing is a joke. why is it so necessary that guys that bounce a ball around be paid so much? all sports are the same. our society has its priorities severely mixed up. love or hate the sport, everyone is acting like a douche at current time.

[ALTRNTV]

Originally Posted by lucky7

the entire thing is a joke. why is it so necessary that guys that bounce a ball around be paid so much? all sports are the same. our society has its priorities severely mixed up. love or hate the sport, everyone is acting like a douche at current time.

In their defense, they are the majority reason on why the owners bring in all that money.

[lucky7]

i'm not singling out the players, i feel they're all to blame. i just think it's a big joke. when baseball, football and hockey did it, i felt exactly the same way.

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by AkademikONE

You again? Go back to your hockey thread.

You know hockey has had the most work stoppages of all major sports?

Originally Posted by lucky7

the entire thing is a joke. why is it so necessary that guys that bounce a ball around be paid so much? all sports are the same. our society has its priorities severely mixed up. love or hate the sport, everyone is acting like a douche at current time.

Profit sharing...
If the sport generates BILLIONS of dollars in revenue for tickets, advertising, merchandise and the likes, then it is ONLY FUCKING FAIR that the people bearing 100% of the physical risk be compensated in line with the money they generate. Sure, there are some that present a bit of fiduciary risk by not performing, but even THAT player generates more revenue for which he should be compensated than, say... a civil service job.
Using the standard "they make too much anyway" argument, the ones to bear the blame are NOT the players who make the money or the owners in position to share the profit, but the consumers who pay their money to see it.

[Gnnr]

Originally Posted by lucky7

the entire thing is a joke. why is it so necessary that guys that bounce a ball around be paid so much? all sports are the same. our society has its priorities severely mixed up.

This makes no sense.

Sure being a brain surgeon, paramedic, armed forces, firefighter, police etc etc are careers that are more beneficial to society, but they do not operate in a setting where people pay admission to see their work.

Heck, if anything those things are actually freely available to see with the advent of reality TV and open heart surgeries being performed live over the internet and all.

[lucky7]

Originally Posted by Phlip

Using the standard "they make too much anyway" argument, the ones to bear the blame are NOT the players who make the money or the owners in position to share the profit, but the consumers who pay their money to see it.

i left out the fans because i didn't want to come back here. plain and simple, it's everyones fault, but mostly the fans for allowing the sport to get as big as it has. with the inception of all the major pro sports in the US, something got severely fucked along the way. you're right, it's a triple-edged sword at this point. if anything, i would likely side with the owners of the teams - profit sharing? go buy your own fucking team. i don't know all the details, but the basics are there.

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by lucky7

i left out the fans because i didn't want to come back here. plain and simple, it's everyones fault, but mostly the fans for allowing the sport to get as big as it has. with the inception of all the major pro sports in the US, something got severely fucked along the way. you're right, it's a triple-edged sword at this point. if anything, i would likely side with the owners of the teams - profit sharing? go buy your own fucking team. i don't know all the details, but the basics are there.

That same logic could be used to tell the owner s to go PLAY in their own league. Or other still, to ATTEMPT to try to sell a very fickle American public “professional” sports with anything less than the best product possible. The owners and players need one another, and the fact remains that the exorbitant salaries are (mostly) warranted and sometimes even UNDER played, based upon individual values to the team and league at large.
[explanation of that last sentence]
I am convinced that the owners crying about losing money are lying as well.

[Riq]

Originally Posted by lucky7

i left out the fans because i didn't want to come back here. plain and simple, it's everyones fault, but mostly the fans for allowing the sport to get as big as it has. with the inception of all the major pro sports in the US, something got severely fucked along the way. you're right, it's a triple-edged sword at this point. if anything, i would likely side with the owners of the teams - profit sharing? go buy your own fucking team. i don't know all the details, but the basics are there.

I'm starting to think you're a troll much like what espn's forums is filled with. Surely no American can possibly be this clueless and making such an ass of themselves on a sports thread. Please stick to what you know and let the big boys talk basketball. Fyi "BRI"=player salary, so if the owners take 100% of the profit the players play for FREE... ofcourse you would side with the owners, you have no clue how the sports economic system works, please educate yourself....