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03-25-2012, 07:48 PM | #31 | |
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Both are US Citizen btw, so does that mean if you leave the US the Government can kill you for whatever reason they want? Anwar al-Awlaki’s family speaks out against his, son’s deaths - The Washington Post With Death of Anwar al-Awlaki, Has U.S. Launched New Era of Killing U.S. Citizens Without Charge? I'm all for killing terrorists and what not - but this does not sit well with me. I better shut up though, who knows, next time I go to Canada they might drone me for complaining to much. |
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hey turds thanks for changing the topic towards a hate obama thread.
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03-26-2012, 12:24 PM | #36 | |
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Second, the sources of your information are questionable and agenda driven. Example: you state Zimmy called the police 11 times in 3 months - as if it shows he is bad. Ever think this shows he is just doing his "job" as the watchmen? Maybe this is why he ignored the request to break off pursuit. Maybe that's how it always goes "okay we'll look into it" and they never do, thus he now feels its up to him. If he's had so much contact with him, and there are complaints, why are the cops not looking into this "loose cannon"? Lastly, none of this answers what the kid was doing there in the first place. As my old man always says "nothing good happens after midnight". |
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And I like how the media describes these 2 individuals to paint a picture of Zimmerman being the "man" and Martin being the "boy". The picture they're trying to paint is clear, a man saw a boy as a threat. How can a "boy" be a threat? Of course no one mentions this "boy" is 6'3" and the "man" is 5'9".
He was an athlete. According to Zimmerman's account, he gave chase but gave up and was returning to the truck when he was attacked. What's more plausible? He got cornered and had to fight back or he doubled-backed after out running his overweight pursuer to instigate an attack? He could have ran away, he obviously faster! He wanted to get even with Zimmerman and he got a Nineto the chest for his effort. Case closed. Oh and I like how they bring up a charge that was drop as if it means anything. Anyone whoever has a run in with a power-tripping cop will know they can trump up charges at a whim. Getting cuffed and pulling away = resisting arrest. Bumping into a cop = battery. If they had a case then why was the charges dropped? |
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Perception or not when someone is shot to death a proper investigation should be carried out. The fact that the police dept. decided to drug test the dead black kid instead of the man that murdered him tells me something. The fact that the police dept. decided to run a background check on the dead black kid instead of the man that murdered him tells me more. The fact that the police don't even arrest the man tells me all I need to know.
If their ethnic background were reversed is there ANYONE in this thread that has any doubt that dude would have been locked up by that police dept. from the start? Anyone? Trevor Dooley tried that bullshit and didn't get away without a fucking trial....funny how that works... |
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well people want an example made out of this,, because right now it is looking like this guy killed a black teen and got away with it by claiming his right to self defense when he picked the fight in the first place.
I like how people are saying Martin was no angel, just read he was suspended from school for being found with an empty bag of weed, still whatever actions he done as a teenager (as most teenagers do these days) does not warrant being murdered imo.
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Yeah dude. TOTALLY the same. :lol |
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Twin Trees Ln, Sanford, Seminole, Florida 32771 That's the alley way. No possible way for Zimmerman to "corner" Martin. According to Zimmerman he was attacked from behind. His avenue of escape from what he rightfully perceived as a stranger following him was clear. There was no way that Zimmerman could catch him. The only plausible explanation is for whatever reason, at that point it was Martin who initiated physical contact. He wasn't murdered. He wasn't killed because he got suspended for weed. He was killed because HE initiated force with someone who happened to be armed. Following someone isn't a crime nor does it imply hostility, or an act of aggression. Especially when you're volunteering to be neighborhood patrol. |
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He can claim anything he wants, the police determined otherwise based on eyewitness accounts. Because brandishing a gun doesn't imply force at all. Comparing someone who goes to a park with a gun, pulls it out first with no justified reason and then shoots the guy as he reacts to that. Following someone = starting a conflict. Laughable. :lol |
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hypertek is going off the principle of the matter so the details dont matter... he claimed self defense but still was arrested and put on trial and who the fuck calls the police on a 7-9 year old |
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I guess if a woman is being chased down a dark alley by a man, she shouldn't do anything until he begins to try and rape her right? |
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Yeah and it was his friend...The new facts are irrelevant to the case. They are character assassination techniques used to paint the situation as anything but black and white but the fact of the matter is, it actually "is" pretty black and white this time as far as the case goes. It doesn't matter what type of character Trayvon Martin is or was, what matters is the actions that lead up to the confrontation; in that light Zimmerman got out of his car after he was explicitly told not to (By the police!) and his resulting actions lead to the death of someone who had every right to be in that neighborhood and as far as we can see was doing nothing wrong. He is guilty of minimum manslaughter charges.
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Agreed, it's called "Observe and Report".
He should have just been writing down and even photographing what he saw. That way, if a car ends up being broken into the Cops can track down the perp with that information. What was Zimmerman's plan, to pin the kid down, call the cops and wait for them to arrive and arrest the kid for.... wrong place, wrong time? Sounds like Zimmerman would have been in more trouble with physically restraining someone. Like I've said before, I think the case is simple Manslaughter, the entire situation was created by Zimmerman and could have been avoided by him. I just get disgruntled at seeing the media try and turn this into a modern lynching with petitions and accusations of "hate crimes" and "premeditated murder" as well as attacks on self-defense laws and gun ownership. |
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And since you keep bring up idiotic arguments in regards to the black guy who shot the white guy. Here's the letter of the law and the sub-sections that pertain to why he was arrested and tried.
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Stop this silly argument:
"As the prime sponsor of this legislation in the Florida House, I'd like to clarify that this law does not seem to be applicable to the tragedy that happened in Sanford. There is nothing in the castle doctrine as found in Florida statutes that authenticates or provides for the opportunity to pursue and confront individuals, it simply protects those who would be potential victims by allowing for force to be used in self-defense." "Mr. Zimmerman's unnecessary pursuit and confrontation of Trayvon Martin elevated the prospect of a violent episode and does not seem to be an act of self-defense as defined by the castle doctrine. There is no protection in the "Stand Your Ground" law for anyone who pursues and confronts people." - Rep. Dennis Baxley was the author of Florida's law Castle Doctrine. You can't provoke and shoot people then claim self defense. Why is this arguable.. |
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if this was your kid would you be OK with the outcome so far? |
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Anyways... Chapter 776 JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE - Florida Statutes with special attention here: 776.041 Use of force by aggressor.No way he will get to claim self-defense in a trial. No way in hell. Justified use of force defense will NOT be available to him. Every reasonable means would have been: -Not to approach him in the first place -Don't enter into physical range if you wanted to speak to him -Don't get out of your car -Withdraw when the conversation got heated. -Obey the 911 operator to NOT follow him. |
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I honestly think Zimmerman was trying to be a hero by trying to confront Trayvon, it got physical, Zimmerman got a ass whooping and tried to get away. Trayvon than ran after Zimmerman, Zimmerman pulled the gun out and both men started fighting over gun, gun was fired killing Trayvon, end of story. As for the police ignoring the investigation show me some proof. Law enforcement officers have a duty to report anything that they confront.
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According to local "news sources" martin had zimmerman flat out on the ground and was pounding his face in. At which point zimmerman drew his pistol and shot martin. You'll never be able to prove who initiated contact. If you've got any other evidence other than a witness that "heard" someone scream for help. That sounds like textbook self defense. A girlfriend on a phone, not in the same county, isn't a stellar unbiased eye witness to anything. All zimmerman did was ask "hey, what are you doing here?" A fairly reasonable question for a kid that was new to this complex walking around at night dressed suspiciously. (To be honest, I wouldn't wear a ski mask into a bank and then claim to be profiled as a bank robber. Go around looking like a hood rat, get mistaken for one)
No one ever asks "Why didn't martin (who was obviously concerned) call the police?" Why didn't he call and say "Man there's a suspicious person following me, I need a cop out here asap". Could he have had a reason not to call the police? Why was he wearing a hoodie and jeans? It wasn't even cold enough for that. The high was 85 that day. This is florida, not chicago. It's warm in feb. Alas, the black man can make no mistakes in the eyes of blacks. If anything here, it's blacks that are being racist. Hispanics are now "white people". Black groups offering 10k bounties for the death of zimmerman or members of his family. Forming a lynchmob and demanding someones arrest when the case is anything but cut and dry and yet the cops can't be trusted because they side on the white guy every time. Sounds like 1960 all over again except from the other side. So now what? Gonna drag your dead son visage up to capitol hill to demand that they arrest someone without any eye witnesses and no hard evidence? Make it part of the "Keeping them honest" campaign. Who's "them" anyway? White america? If we're going to assume all this stuff about zimmerman such as he aggressively hunted him because he was black because he hated blacks. (which is, legally, a long distance from a neighborhood watch guy running into a kid twice in one complex) Can we not assume some stuff about martin then. Maybe going to the store was really about buying some drugs. Maybe he tossed it in the bushes while running from zimmerman. Wouldn't be the first time and would be a great reason for not calling the police. I can't imagine watching basketball till almost midnight then going upto the store just for skittles and tea. Especially if you had to get up early for school in the morning. Oh thats right, Martin was serving a 10 day suspension for being a model "A" student in a low performing ghetto school. Ever think there might be more to this story than the keenly cookie cutter media story? If the 17-24 black male no longer wants to be racially profiled. The 17-24 year old black male should clean up their act as a societal whole. 1.6% of the population in the state doing 60% of the violent crime in the state. It's not racist, it's statistics. Dear black america. Quit playing the race card, It's more played out than "hella flush". If you don't start nothing, there won't be nothing.
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Whatever your guys beliefs are, i respect that.. We will find out after trail what really happened.
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03-27-2012, 09:54 AM | #59 | |
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Had Zimmerman listened to the police and just gone home none of this would have happened. |
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go listen to the lawernce o'donnell interview of zimmermans lawyer who was too scared to face o'donnell and left the studio before the interview even started...
everything said in that interview could break the "case" the zimmerman team is trying to make....put that black guy in a hoody and jeans and he would be so super suspicious of a crime |
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