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S14_Kouki · 08-26-2009, 06:26 PM

So this is the perfect place for this thread. Ok this has everything to do with hotly debated political controversial things. Im not starting this thread with the thought of just talkin about getting stoned. What this thread is about, what government figures are for or against marijuana, What marijuana can do to help or hurt our country, What taxes, money, jobs, ect ect marijuana can do for america. This thread is here for everyone to give there opinion on what is going to happen in our future. So with that being said how do you feel, what info do you have to share??

ESmorz · 08-26-2009, 06:35 PM

Dooooooooomed

S14_Kouki · 08-26-2009, 06:47 PM

^ lol I figured that but I thought I could try this is the place for this article of discussion and it is a very big thing happening in america at this time.

BustedS13 · 08-26-2009, 06:56 PM

it should be legalized, it's as harmful as the legal drugs we already have.

that said, people who can't stop talking about pot and pot laws and blah dee blah are fucking annoying.

inb4 "IT'S JUST A PLANT MAN MOTHER NATURE HERBS DUR DUR DURR"

los_inc · 08-26-2009, 07:05 PM

legalizing pot and taxing the piss out of it
is better then keeping it a black market item.
i'm sure selling legal pot would take a major chunk
out of that 9 trillion dollar deficit were going to have
<33
-los

S14_Kouki · 08-26-2009, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BustedS13

it should be legalized, it's as harmful as the legal drugs we already have.

that said, people who can't stop talking about pot and pot laws and blah dee blah are fucking annoying.

inb4 "IT'S JUST A PLANT MAN MOTHER NATURE HERBS DUR DUR DURR"

excellent, this section of the forums needs help now there are more things ppl can express the views on in the political world

DreamN · 08-26-2009, 07:10 PM

^^ we might as well legalize a lot of the other drugs as well if it's to benefit the economy lol.

I'm cool with marijuana being legal. Tax it heavily. Get some cool brand names out there. Put an age limit on it.
Treat it like a mix of cigarette and alcohol laws. You can smoke in public, but not in doors. Can't operate any vehicles.
Bring on some heavy fines when people are caught driving under the influence. Milk it as much as possible.

S14_Kouki · 08-26-2009, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by los_inc

legalizing pot and taxing the piss out of it
is better then keeping it a black market item.
i'm sure selling legal pot would take a major chunk
out of that 9 trillion dollar deficit were going to have
<33
-los

and u r 100% right its 1 Big way to make the government money they r passing up a great thing knocking at there door. I have heard one reason for it to still be illegal is because there is no way to test how high u r say driving like u can drinking and driving.

aNskY · 08-26-2009, 07:12 PM

Thats the thing.. if it were legal, they would tax the shit out of it. So instead of paying taxes out the ass, people would just grow their own. If you can grow a tomatoe you can grow some weed... thus no more tax money...

also the alcohol and pharmaceutical companies that the gov't has in their ass lobby hardcore against legalization because they think it will take some of their business. agreed on all fronts.

i smoke and i dont mind it being illegal, because i am responsible about it. also its only a violation (like a speeding ticket; not even a misdemeaner) and under $100 fine for posession of less than 28g in NY

if you drive around with quantities, blazin L's with the windows down, you deserve to get busted.

ronmcdon · 08-26-2009, 07:20 PM

Well the taxing would have to be done in moderation.
I think black markets would be inevitable even without tax.
ppl would always want more of whatever is avail (such as an even higher thc content product).

Overall, I am for it, but I do think there has to be some level of regulation of use.
At the very least, you can NOT have drivers who are hallucinating driving,
just as you would discourage likewise unsafe drunk drivers.

It can't be taken to the extreme and be a 'free for all' affair.

DreamN · 08-26-2009, 07:25 PM

we need cigarettes back in vending machines. do the same with marijuana.

aNskY · 08-26-2009, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronmcdon

Well the taxing would have to be done in moderation.
I think black markets would be inevitable even without tax.
ppl would always want more of whatever is avail (such as an even higher thc content product).

Overall, I am for it, but I do think there has to be some level of regulation of use.
At the very least, you can NOT have drivers who are hallucinating driving,
just as you would discourage likewise unsafe drunk drivers.

Kouki is correct too in what he said above me ^^ , a cop cannot prove that you are DWI on weed, so that is probably a big issue with federal legalization

Quote:

Originally Posted by DreamN

we need cigarettes back in vending machines. do the same with marijuana.

man, those were the good ol days. cigarette machines were everywhere!!

S14_Kouki · 08-26-2009, 07:37 PM

aNsKY
I dont mind it being illegal as well if I had the NY laws in FL, down here u get busted with weed you go to jail. Like u say if your smart and dont do stupid ass things u will be just fine. Ppl will grow ether way, what is stopping you or anyone from making there own alcohol or growing there own hops for the beer??

ronmcdon
I as well think it would be taxed in moderation. Ppl do always want more even if it illegal or legal pot is just going to keep getting better/stronger with advances in technology there is no stopping that.

Has anyone seen Marijuana Nation on Discovery channel or Marijuana on CNBC??

Touge Noob S13 · 08-26-2009, 07:57 PM

Marijuana is trashy, dont do it.

jorge1190 · 08-26-2009, 08:10 PM

I also think that in the current situation the government really could benefit from something like this. My dad and I got in an extensive convo on this and he agrees because its short term effects are not as bad as alcohol i dont think. You've never heard of anyone getting poy poisoning. Testing if caught under suspicion would be as simple as passing or failing a sobrierity test. In VA even if under legal limit if you fail a field sobrierity test you can be booked for DUI.

aNskY · 08-26-2009, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S14_Kouki

aNsKY
I dont mind it being illegal as well if I had the NY laws in FL, down here u get busted with weed you go to jail. Like u say if your smart and dont do stupid ass things u will be just fine. Ppl will grow ether way, what is stopping you or anyone from making there own alcohol or growing there own hops for the beer??

Has anyone seen Marijuana Nation on Discovery channel or Marijuana on CNBC??

Because it's a lot easier to go buy a 12 pack. It depends on how heavily taxed it is i guess, but if cigarette taxes are any indication, it would be OUTRAGEOUS.

are you talking about the documentary about nor-cal? i watched that a couple times lol

obsolete · 08-26-2009, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aNskY

Thats the thing.. if it were legal, they would tax the shit out of it. So instead of paying taxes out the ass, people would just grow their own. If you can grow a tomatoe you can grow some weed... thus no more tax money...

also the alcohol and pharmaceutical companies that the gov't has in their ass lobby hardcore against legalization because they think it will take some of their business. agreed on all fronts.

i smoke and i dont mind it being illegal, because i am responsible about it. also its only a violation (like a speeding ticket; not even a misdemeaner) and under $100 fine for posession of less than 28g in NY

if you drive around with quantities, blazin L's with the windows down, you deserve to get busted.

are the laws really that lax now? cause 28g is a good amount of bud.

I don't care what anyone says, driving while high does not compare in any way to driving while drunk.

S14_Kouki · 08-26-2009, 08:56 PM

aNsKY
yes it is alot alot more easier to buy a 12 pack. But maybe if u know, it does cost alot to grow great plants. You just dont plant it and you have the best shit on the street. So if ppl want good stuff they will pay or take it in your own hands and do it right just like building a car. And yes the documentary it is great and answers alot of questions. But from what I have heard Oakland, CA has started taxing and the crime rate has gone down alot.

obsolete
You r 5000000% right that driving high does not compare to driving drunk

BTW Chuck Norris is never late Your just early

*ManoNegra* · 08-26-2009, 09:01 PM

legalize it
tax it
use money to pay for universal health care

in the words of placebo:
"a friend in need is a friend indeed, a friend with weed is better..."

S14_Kouki · 08-26-2009, 09:25 PM

could not of been said any better

SlideWell · 08-26-2009, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S14_Kouki

and u r 100% right its 1 Big way to make the government money they r passing up a great thing knocking at there door. I have heard one reason for it to still be illegal is because there is no way to test how high u r say driving like u can drinking and driving.

blood test at the police station, just like they pull samples from drivers who dont want to or are unable to blow. take a better peek into sobriety test consent as breifly put on your driver license. you dont have to blow, you can always consent to a blood sample at the station, and that would be a test required by law to determine if you are under the influence of drugs.
at any rate, im pro legalization. its unfortunate how socially unaccepted marijuana is across the globe. people can be pretty dumb smoking weed, but dumber when drinking IMO. ive made some really shitty choices after drinking alcohol that i would have never made while smoking some pot, other than eating too much food

LongGrain · 08-26-2009, 09:36 PM

i think marijuana laws should be harsher

i also think cigarettes should be outlawed..

SexPanda · 08-26-2009, 09:49 PM

This is America. The legality of marijuana should be left up to the states. That whole deligated rights thing in the constitution that has been conveniently forgotten by the federal government.

But I believe marijuana should be treated the exact same as alcohol. 50% tax, strict oversight, and a minimum smoking age. I don't smoke anymore, because it just isn't fun to me. I like being in control of my body. and I don't exactly need to be having cravings for a big mac without a job right now lol.

S14_Kouki · 08-26-2009, 09:58 PM

SlideWall
Yes they could take a blood sample but that would not show how high u are at the time. It would just show you smoked within the past couple weeks. Since it stays in your system for awhile. Here is what i found and I quote "Alcohol is metabolized at the rate of .015 of blood alcohol concentration (BAC) every hour. 1 Thus a person with a very high BAC of .15 will have no measurable alcohol in the bloodstream after ten hours (.15 divided by .015 = 10).

LongGrain
Just wondering Why do you feel this way??

S14_Kouki · 08-26-2009, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SexPanda

This is America. The legality status of marijuana should be left up to the states. That whole deligated rights thing in the constitution that has been conveniently forgotten by the federal government.

But I believe marijuana should be treated the exact same as alcohol. 50% tax, strict oversight, and a minimum smoking age. I don't smoke anymore, because it just isn't fun to me. I like being in control of my body. and I don't exactly need to be having cravings for a big mac without a job right now lol.

ahahahahahahahahahahahah I dont have a job ether (just laid off)

I cry myself to sleep

its should be treated the same as alcohol

reflexdb · 08-26-2009, 10:05 PM

That's exactly the problem with America, too many state rights. It screws up so much shit without any benefit. For instance, look at emissions requirements for vehicles. Is there any reason that other states don't have the same strict emissions requirements that CA has? No. Just that the other states are either too ignorant or lazy to act.

And to get back on topic...marijuana should be legal. There should be NO drinking age so people learn from the start not to overuse alcohol. And cigarettes should be legal too - they are the most addictive of the 3, so we can tax the hell out of them.

Problem solved.

SexPanda · 08-26-2009, 10:06 PM

Yep... Me too. I have bills to pay and no means to pay them. sucks sooo bad.

in lighter news, Im watching James Bond right now and the asian woman he was sleeping with just trapped him behind a fold down bed and shot it up with a machine gun lol.

Uookaa · 08-26-2009, 10:06 PM

Legalize it.
Tax it heavily, along with tobacco and alcohol.

And if that's the case and you smoke weed...
Grow your own.

DONE!

SexPanda · 08-26-2009, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reflexdb

That's exactly the problem with America, too many state rights. It screws up so much shit without any benefit. For instance, look at emissions requirements for vehicles. Is there any reason that other states don't have the same strict emissions requirements that CA has? No. Just that the other states are either too ignorant or lazy to act.

And to get back on topic...marijuana should be legal. There should be NO drinking age so people learn from the start not to overuse alcohol. And cigarettes should be legal too - they are the most addictive of the 3, so we can tax the hell out of them.

Problem solved.

too many states rights? This is a UNION, not just 1 giant country. The UNITED STATES, not AMERICA.

While I do agree California, and every state, has some stupid laws... They are there for a reason. Usually because some dicks abused the system, so they had to make a law to punish those people.

S14_Kouki · 08-26-2009, 10:31 PM

reflexdb
ummm im pretty sure that pot is less addictive out of the 3. And I disagree with u on drinking, I think kids these days r fucking stupid and they would all die someway if there was no age law on drinking, just because they dont know responsibility, I thought when I was younger that there should be no age limit but now im older they should wait for there own safety. And do you mean ciggs should be illegal because they r already legal. unless you meant that differently.

SexPanda
Im with you man I right now have $1200 a month in bill from school and loans, with no job cause I keep getting laid off WTF mang lol.

Im watch Chuck Norris maybe he can help, HELP us Chuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

08-26-2009, 06:26 PM	#1
S14_Kouki Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 1,947 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	The BIG marijuana discussion So this is the perfect place for this thread. Ok this has everything to do with hotly debated political controversial things. Im not starting this thread with the thought of just talkin about getting stoned. What this thread is about, what government figures are for or against marijuana, What marijuana can do to help or hurt our country, What taxes, money, jobs, ect ect marijuana can do for america. This thread is here for everyone to give there opinion on what is going to happen in our future. So with that being said how do you feel, what info do you have to share??

08-26-2009, 06:35 PM	#2
ESmorz Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: It Looks Like A Dong Posts: 6,902 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Dooooooooomed __________________

08-26-2009, 06:56 PM	#4
BustedS13 Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Phoenix AZ Age: 39 Posts: 10,287 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	it should be legalized, it's as harmful as the legal drugs we already have. that said, people who can't stop talking about pot and pot laws and blah dee blah are fucking annoying. inb4 "IT'S JUST A PLANT MAN MOTHER NATURE HERBS DUR DUR DURR" __________________

08-26-2009, 07:05 PM	#5
los_inc Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New Joisey Bro. Age: 39 Posts: 826 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	legalizing pot and taxing the piss out of it is better then keeping it a black market item. i'm sure selling legal pot would take a major chunk out of that 9 trillion dollar deficit were going to have <33 -los __________________

08-26-2009, 09:49 PM	#23
SexPanda Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Where ever there is free beer Posts: 3,239 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	This is America. The legality of marijuana should be left up to the states. That whole deligated rights thing in the constitution that has been conveniently forgotten by the federal government. But I believe marijuana should be treated the exact same as alcohol. 50% tax, strict oversight, and a minimum smoking age. I don't smoke anymore, because it just isn't fun to me. I like being in control of my body. and I don't exactly need to be having cravings for a big mac without a job right now lol. __________________ BRAND NEW GReddy PRofec E-01 EBC for sale, Cheap!

08-26-2009, 06:47 PM	#3
S14_Kouki Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 1,947 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	^ lol I figured that but I thought I could try this is the place for this article of discussion and it is a very big thing happening in america at this time.

08-26-2009, 07:10 PM	#7
DreamN Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: SoCal - 818 Age: 39 Posts: 10,692 Trader Rating: (54) Rides Gallery: DreamN Feedback Score: 54 reviews	^^ we might as well legalize a lot of the other drugs as well if it's to benefit the economy lol. I'm cool with marijuana being legal. Tax it heavily. Get some cool brand names out there. Put an age limit on it. Treat it like a mix of cigarette and alcohol laws. You can smoke in public, but not in doors. Can't operate any vehicles. Bring on some heavy fines when people are caught driving under the influence. Milk it as much as possible.

08-26-2009, 07:12 PM	#9
aNskY Nissanaholic! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NY Age: 40 Posts: 1,604 Trader Rating: (10) Feedback Score: 10 reviews	Thats the thing.. if it were legal, they would tax the shit out of it. So instead of paying taxes out the ass, people would just grow their own. If you can grow a tomatoe you can grow some weed... thus no more tax money... also the alcohol and pharmaceutical companies that the gov't has in their ass lobby hardcore against legalization because they think it will take some of their business. agreed on all fronts. i smoke and i dont mind it being illegal, because i am responsible about it. also its only a violation (like a speeding ticket; not even a misdemeaner) and under $100 fine for posession of less than 28g in NY if you drive around with quantities, blazin L's with the windows down, you deserve to get busted.

08-26-2009, 07:20 PM	#10
ronmcdon Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: beverly hills Age: 89 Posts: 4,260 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	Well the taxing would have to be done in moderation. I think black markets would be inevitable even without tax. ppl would always want more of whatever is avail (such as an even higher thc content product). Overall, I am for it, but I do think there has to be some level of regulation of use. At the very least, you can NOT have drivers who are hallucinating driving, just as you would discourage likewise unsafe drunk drivers. It can't be taken to the extreme and be a 'free for all' affair.

08-26-2009, 07:25 PM	#11
DreamN Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: SoCal - 818 Age: 39 Posts: 10,692 Trader Rating: (54) Rides Gallery: DreamN Feedback Score: 54 reviews	we need cigarettes back in vending machines. do the same with marijuana.

08-26-2009, 07:37 PM	#13
S14_Kouki Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 1,947 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	aNsKY I dont mind it being illegal as well if I had the NY laws in FL, down here u get busted with weed you go to jail. Like u say if your smart and dont do stupid ass things u will be just fine. Ppl will grow ether way, what is stopping you or anyone from making there own alcohol or growing there own hops for the beer?? ronmcdon I as well think it would be taxed in moderation. Ppl do always want more even if it illegal or legal pot is just going to keep getting better/stronger with advances in technology there is no stopping that. Has anyone seen Marijuana Nation on Discovery channel or Marijuana on CNBC??

08-26-2009, 08:10 PM	#15
jorge1190 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Culpeper, Va Age: 33 Posts: 593 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	I also think that in the current situation the government really could benefit from something like this. My dad and I got in an extensive convo on this and he agrees because its short term effects are not as bad as alcohol i dont think. You've never heard of anyone getting poy poisoning. Testing if caught under suspicion would be as simple as passing or failing a sobrierity test. In VA even if under legal limit if you fail a field sobrierity test you can be booked for DUI.

08-26-2009, 08:56 PM	#18
S14_Kouki Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 1,947 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	aNsKY yes it is alot alot more easier to buy a 12 pack. But maybe if u know, it does cost alot to grow great plants. You just dont plant it and you have the best shit on the street. So if ppl want good stuff they will pay or take it in your own hands and do it right just like building a car. And yes the documentary it is great and answers alot of questions. But from what I have heard Oakland, CA has started taxing and the crime rate has gone down alot. obsolete You r 5000000% right that driving high does not compare to driving drunk BTW Chuck Norris is never late Your just early

08-26-2009, 09:01 PM	#19
ManoNegra Guild of Skullduggerous Intent Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Socal Posts: 7,841 Trader Rating: (48) Feedback Score: 48 reviews	legalize it tax it use money to pay for universal health care in the words of placebo: "a friend in need is a friend indeed, a friend with weed is better..."

08-26-2009, 09:25 PM	#20
S14_Kouki Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 1,947 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	could not of been said any better

08-26-2009, 09:36 PM	#22
LongGrain Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Midwest Posts: 2,741 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	i think marijuana laws should be harsher i also think cigarettes should be outlawed..

08-26-2009, 09:58 PM	#24
S14_Kouki Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 1,947 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	SlideWall Yes they could take a blood sample but that would not show how high u are at the time. It would just show you smoked within the past couple weeks. Since it stays in your system for awhile. Here is what i found and I quote "Alcohol is metabolized at the rate of .015 of blood alcohol concentration (BAC) every hour. 1 Thus a person with a very high BAC of .15 will have no measurable alcohol in the bloodstream after ten hours (.15 divided by .015 = 10). LongGrain Just wondering Why do you feel this way??

08-26-2009, 10:05 PM	#26
reflexdb Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Denver, CO Age: 39 Posts: 381 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	That's exactly the problem with America, too many state rights. It screws up so much shit without any benefit. For instance, look at emissions requirements for vehicles. Is there any reason that other states don't have the same strict emissions requirements that CA has? No. Just that the other states are either too ignorant or lazy to act. And to get back on topic...marijuana should be legal. There should be NO drinking age so people learn from the start not to overuse alcohol. And cigarettes should be legal too - they are the most addictive of the 3, so we can tax the hell out of them. Problem solved. __________________

08-26-2009, 10:06 PM	#27
SexPanda Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Where ever there is free beer Posts: 3,239 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yep... Me too. I have bills to pay and no means to pay them. sucks sooo bad. in lighter news, Im watching James Bond right now and the asian woman he was sleeping with just trapped him behind a fold down bed and shot it up with a machine gun lol. __________________ BRAND NEW GReddy PRofec E-01 EBC for sale, Cheap!

08-26-2009, 10:06 PM	#28
Uookaa Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Pasadena, CA Posts: 25 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Legalize it. Tax it heavily, along with tobacco and alcohol. And if that's the case and you smoke weed... Grow your own. DONE!

08-26-2009, 10:31 PM	#30
S14_Kouki Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 1,947 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	reflexdb ummm im pretty sure that pot is less addictive out of the 3. And I disagree with u on drinking, I think kids these days r fucking stupid and they would all die someway if there was no age law on drinking, just because they dont know responsibility, I thought when I was younger that there should be no age limit but now im older they should wait for there own safety. And do you mean ciggs should be illegal because they r already legal. unless you meant that differently. SexPanda Im with you man I right now have $1200 a month in bill from school and loans, with no job cause I keep getting laid off WTF mang lol. Im watch Chuck Norris maybe he can help, HELP us Chuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!