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Carlwill · 05-02-2005, 04:54 AM

I decided to change the oil in my Redtop SR20DET. I drain the oil and everything is fine untill I realize where the damn oil filter is .

I then think this will be easier perhaps if I get under the car and try and grab the filter...wrong. The oil filter is mounted in the dumbest spot and almost impossible to get to and then for some small miracle you do get the oil filter lose, oil is now dripping all off my engine.

Is this just because I have no clue what I am doing? I have never seen a oil filter in a more annoying place and who the hell mounts their oil filter horizontal to the motor?

Any tips for getting this done w/o making a mess?

***S14DB*** · 05-02-2005, 07:38 AM

Remove the intake brace from the bottom of the intake to the block. This is right next to the filter and makes changes a bitch. You can also get a greddy intake to make more room.

If it's really a pain get a relocation kit.

wakdady · 05-02-2005, 07:53 AM

get a long ass screw driver and hammer it through, then turn it as much as possible. Keep trying, eventually, you'll get it.

Taking off the manifold is for pussies! Once you get it off, be sure not to overtighten the new one.

zenkiticks · 05-02-2005, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Carlwill

Is this just because I have no clue what I am doing?

to early to determine that...

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Originally Posted by Carlwill

Any tips for getting this done w/o making a mess?

try to not dump all the oil that is in the filter all over the side of the engine bay. basically as soon as you unscrew it, turn it up so you do not to spill anything.

Carlwill · 05-02-2005, 09:03 AM

Ok, I have a Greddy intake manifold on the way so I hope this will make a big difference.

Thanks for the info.

420sx · 05-02-2005, 09:17 AM

^dont forget u gonna need to mod a few things with the intake mani. its gonna be painful.

Carlwill · 05-02-2005, 09:54 AM

I did not forget, I just don't know. What exactly needs to be modified to get the Greddy manifold to work? Every thread I searched in said nothing about modification at all.

Flybert · 05-02-2005, 04:39 PM

This is the most backwards thinking I have seen in a while. You have trouble getting an oil filter off so you decide to buy a $400 intake mani that will be much more of a pain in the ass to install than replacing an oil filter.

Also, you complain that it's going to leak on your engine but the greddy intake mani you ordered isn't going to help in that respect. You are still going to leak oil all over your engine mounts when you change your oil in the future. You should have just ordered a oil filter relocation kit for $150.

S13_SX · 05-02-2005, 04:39 PM

I honestly don't see the problem with the SR oil filter. I have 0 problems changing my oil. Am I missing something or do all of you have fat ass arms?

Carlwill · 05-02-2005, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Flybert

This is the most backwards thinking I have seen in a while. You have trouble getting an oil filter off so you decide to buy a $400 intake mani that will be much more of a pain in the ass to install than replacing an oil filter.

Also, you complain that it's going to leak on your engine but the greddy intake mani you ordered isn't going to help in that respect. You are still going to leak oil all over your engine mounts when you change your oil in the future. You should have just ordered a oil filter relocation kit for $150.

You did not calculate eveything all at once ...

I was simply stating that the oil filter is bound to leak when you losen it as it is mounted horizontally. So because the oil filter is in a hard to reach spot, I should never upgarde my manifold? The fact is the oil is changed and it can be done w/o wasting $150 on a relocation kit.

socal -1

NZO · 05-02-2005, 04:58 PM

Youre not the only one who is annoyed by this. Oil filter relocation is very high on my list.

Flybert · 05-02-2005, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Carlwill

You did not calculate eveything all at once ...

I was simply stating that the oil filter is bound to leak when you losen it as it is mounted horizontally.

No shit. I'd say most of us on here know that already seeing as we own 240sx's.

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Originally Posted by Carlwill

So because the oil filter is in a hard to reach spot, I should never upgarde my manifold?

I don't remember ever saying that. However, I do believe I said that you shouldn't spend $400 on an intake manifold just to make oil changes easier.

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Originally Posted by Carlwill

The fact is the oil is changed and it can be done w/o wasting $150 on a relocation kit.

But that kit would keep you from spilling oil on your engine mounts which seems to be a big problem for you.

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Originally Posted by Carlwill

socal -1

Carlwill -91875210347502345 for making the most retarded newb thread topics on zilvia and for buying a CA powered silvia just to throw in an SR.

As somebody said before, take off the stupid intake manifold bracket, get a filter wrench adapter from autozone or wherever, and simple green the area that you spilled oil.

wootwoot · 05-02-2005, 06:17 PM

How about you just get some brake clean and rags? They usually work pretty well.

***S14DB*** · 05-02-2005, 07:46 PM

Powder coating the block will make it easyier to clean too.

sr240mike · 05-02-2005, 08:16 PM

Put some cheap ass oil in, go to oil change place, pay the $19.99 and make it their problem.

Blues13 · 05-03-2005, 01:54 AM

The thing to remember is to not overtighten the filter. It becomes much easier once you start doing it yourself and not some mechanic who insists on using a wrench to permantly affix the filter to the block. Having it just snug enough to stay on will alleviate most of your headaches.

Carlwill · 05-03-2005, 04:54 AM

Yes, sprayed down the block with brake cleaner and looks nice and clean for the time being. Now the manofold is off and I was able to get to the mess I made much easier.

The trick for me is getting the filter loose and then quickly tiping the oil filter up so nothing else spills out. I have never seen a side mounted oil filter or I guess I am just to use to the 3SGTE motor.

Anyways, I am sure by my 3rd oil change I will be a champ. I just have a lot more shit on that side of the car than people realize since it is RHD. Power steering pump and res plus all lines and housings are right there, no to mention the huge alternator does not help.

Thanks for the info.

sepulchral · 05-03-2005, 06:43 AM

yeah you figured it out. nothing too it, a little oil on the block just means you're more hardcore

wutangben · 05-03-2005, 08:19 AM

The GReddy intake manifold will require a throttle wheel off an S14 SR motor (which jspec carries) as well as a custom throttle bracket, I think some bending w/ the fuel rail, and possibly a few other things I am forgetting. It's definitely no picnic to install...

SirWarrior · 05-03-2005, 01:18 PM

last time I checked OFRK from summit was about 50bux.
What are you paying the extra 100 for???

ZK · 05-03-2005, 03:44 PM

To take the filter off, use one of those cap-type oil filter things that attach to a rachet and a long extension.. easily found at any auto parts place. As far as spilling oil all over the place taking out the filter, not much you can do about that. I just place a lot of newspapers underneath and go in and spray and wipe everything with a degreaser when I'm done.

wootwoot · 05-03-2005, 04:50 PM

^^^^ yeah those things are the best. Once again this is about having the right tools! You can have oil filter grips, the slip rings, or the ratchet deals which I dont know the right name of but are definitely my favorite for most situations. The correct tools and some brakeclean and the whole spiel is a breeze. Reguarding never seeing filters mounted in such a manner, you havent done to many oil changes then. Some manufactuers put the filter in the most ridiculous places ever. Ford Taurus for example. Oil filter is placed on front of the block above the catalytic converter and directly next to the starter. Anyone know how hot a catalytic converter operates at?

dunno · 05-03-2005, 05:03 PM

Someone mentioned hammering a screwdriver into the filter and turning it that way. Pops it right out.

-Matt

wootwoot · 05-03-2005, 05:50 PM

or you can not be ghetto and get the right tools....

krustindumm · 05-03-2005, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carlwill

who the hell mounts their oil filter horizontal to the motor?

Honda, basically anything with a 4-cylinder since forever, and currently. Get over it, it's not that big of a deal. Honda does have one special tool (that I can't find a picture of) that has a magnet to stick to the oil pan, and directs the oil draining from the filter away from a x-member (to prevent oil from getting inside it, looks like an oil leak to customers).

Just spray the block down with some brake clean, and lube the seal good before instalation. Don't overtighten the filter, contact plus a turn is just fine.

And rule number one for ANY engine swap:

If you dont remove the filter before you install the engine, it is going to be stuck VERY well and be VERY hard to reach. So remove it while you can reach it easy!!

sciamop · 05-04-2005, 01:10 PM

Hopefully, you replaced the mad tite JDM oil filter before you installed the engine. If not, it is a PITA to get a tool in there to loosen it.

Otherwise, it should be easy to loosen by hand. If it's tough, you need to work on your kung-fu grip. Once mastered, you will be able to use your palm to remove the most stubborn oil filter. FRAM is a good beginner oil filter to practice with; it has a bedliner/grip-tape-like substance that will allow you to get a firm hold on it.

Spillage, alas, is a fact of life. Deal with it.

GL,
Todd
93 Coupe (needs oil change)
91 SE-R (needs oil change)

dunno · 05-04-2005, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by wootwoot

or you can not be ghetto and get the right tools....

My ass. This is a 240 we're talking about.

-Matt

05-02-2005, 04:54 AM	#1
Carlwill Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Orlando, FL Age: 44 Posts: 238 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	1st SR oil change I decided to change the oil in my Redtop SR20DET. I drain the oil and everything is fine untill I realize where the damn oil filter is . I then think this will be easier perhaps if I get under the car and try and grab the filter...wrong. The oil filter is mounted in the dumbest spot and almost impossible to get to and then for some small miracle you do get the oil filter lose, oil is now dripping all off my engine. Is this just because I have no clue what I am doing? I have never seen a oil filter in a more annoying place and who the hell mounts their oil filter horizontal to the motor? Any tips for getting this done w/o making a mess? __________________ Linux System Administrator rm -Vfr /etc/nix* "Love is a fist"

05-02-2005, 09:03 AM	#5
Carlwill Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Orlando, FL Age: 44 Posts: 238 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Ok, I have a Greddy intake manifold on the way so I hope this will make a big difference. Thanks for the info. __________________ Linux System Administrator rm -Vfr /etc/nix* "Love is a fist"

05-02-2005, 09:17 AM	#6
420sx Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Age: 41 Posts: 3,960 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: 420sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^dont forget u gonna need to mod a few things with the intake mani. its gonna be painful. __________________ hydropgrahics! ls1......

05-02-2005, 09:54 AM	#7
Carlwill Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Orlando, FL Age: 44 Posts: 238 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I did not forget, I just don't know. What exactly needs to be modified to get the Greddy manifold to work? Every thread I searched in said nothing about modification at all. __________________ Linux System Administrator rm -Vfr /etc/nix* "Love is a fist"

05-02-2005, 04:58 PM	#11
NZO Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Reno, NV Age: 41 Posts: 1,424 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: NZO Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Youre not the only one who is annoyed by this. Oil filter relocation is very high on my list. __________________ sentinelguild.com/nzo/PFCDB/

05-02-2005, 07:38 AM	#2
*S14DB* AFC #1 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 昨晩あなたのお母さんの家 Posts: 20,181 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Remove the intake brace from the bottom of the intake to the block. This is right next to the filter and makes changes a bitch. You can also get a greddy intake to make more room. If it's really a pain get a relocation kit.

05-02-2005, 07:53 AM	#3
wakdady Leaky Injector Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 93 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	get a long ass screw driver and hammer it through, then turn it as much as possible. Keep trying, eventually, you'll get it. Taking off the manifold is for pussies! Once you get it off, be sure not to overtighten the new one.

05-02-2005, 04:39 PM	#8
Flybert Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: none Posts: 3,862 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	This is the most backwards thinking I have seen in a while. You have trouble getting an oil filter off so you decide to buy a $400 intake mani that will be much more of a pain in the ass to install than replacing an oil filter. Also, you complain that it's going to leak on your engine but the greddy intake mani you ordered isn't going to help in that respect. You are still going to leak oil all over your engine mounts when you change your oil in the future. You should have just ordered a oil filter relocation kit for $150.

05-02-2005, 04:39 PM	#9
S13_SX Leaky Injector Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: cincy Posts: 61 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I honestly don't see the problem with the SR oil filter. I have 0 problems changing my oil. Am I missing something or do all of you have fat ass arms?

05-02-2005, 06:17 PM	#13
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 38 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	How about you just get some brake clean and rags? They usually work pretty well. __________________ I'm from Florida so I'm probably a bit more strange than you

05-02-2005, 07:46 PM	#14
*S14DB* AFC #1 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 昨晩あなたのお母さんの家 Posts: 20,181 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Powder coating the block will make it easyier to clean too.

05-02-2005, 08:16 PM	#15
sr240mike Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: California, Norcal biiaatch Posts: 1,185 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Put some cheap ass oil in, go to oil change place, pay the $19.99 and make it their problem. __________________ TWO IN THE COOT, ONE IN THE POOT

05-03-2005, 01:54 AM	#16
Blues13 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: OC Posts: 435 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	The thing to remember is to not overtighten the filter. It becomes much easier once you start doing it yourself and not some mechanic who insists on using a wrench to permantly affix the filter to the block. Having it just snug enough to stay on will alleviate most of your headaches.

05-03-2005, 04:54 AM	#17
Carlwill Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Orlando, FL Age: 44 Posts: 238 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yes, sprayed down the block with brake cleaner and looks nice and clean for the time being. Now the manofold is off and I was able to get to the mess I made much easier. The trick for me is getting the filter loose and then quickly tiping the oil filter up so nothing else spills out. I have never seen a side mounted oil filter or I guess I am just to use to the 3SGTE motor. Anyways, I am sure by my 3rd oil change I will be a champ. I just have a lot more shit on that side of the car than people realize since it is RHD. Power steering pump and res plus all lines and housings are right there, no to mention the huge alternator does not help. Thanks for the info. __________________ Linux System Administrator rm -Vfr /etc/nix* "Love is a fist"

05-03-2005, 06:43 AM	#18
sepulchral BANNED Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Midlothian. VA Posts: 2,050 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yeah you figured it out. nothing too it, a little oil on the block just means you're more hardcore

05-03-2005, 08:19 AM	#19
wutangben Zilvia Addict Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: IL Age: 42 Posts: 739 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	The GReddy intake manifold will require a throttle wheel off an S14 SR motor (which jspec carries) as well as a custom throttle bracket, I think some bending w/ the fuel rail, and possibly a few other things I am forgetting. It's definitely no picnic to install...

05-03-2005, 01:18 PM	#20
SirWarrior Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2004 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 762 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	last time I checked OFRK from summit was about 50bux. What are you paying the extra 100 for??? __________________ 92 FastBack - Project 98 SE - Daily Driver

05-03-2005, 03:44 PM	#21
ZK Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2003 Location: North Cal Posts: 1,068 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	To take the filter off, use one of those cap-type oil filter things that attach to a rachet and a long extension.. easily found at any auto parts place. As far as spilling oil all over the place taking out the filter, not much you can do about that. I just place a lot of newspapers underneath and go in and spray and wipe everything with a degreaser when I'm done.

05-03-2005, 04:50 PM	#22
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 38 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^^^^ yeah those things are the best. Once again this is about having the right tools! You can have oil filter grips, the slip rings, or the ratchet deals which I dont know the right name of but are definitely my favorite for most situations. The correct tools and some brakeclean and the whole spiel is a breeze. Reguarding never seeing filters mounted in such a manner, you havent done to many oil changes then. Some manufactuers put the filter in the most ridiculous places ever. Ford Taurus for example. Oil filter is placed on front of the block above the catalytic converter and directly next to the starter. Anyone know how hot a catalytic converter operates at? __________________ I'm from Florida so I'm probably a bit more strange than you

05-03-2005, 05:03 PM	#23
dunno Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Beaverton, OR Posts: 135 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Someone mentioned hammering a screwdriver into the filter and turning it that way. Pops it right out. -Matt

05-03-2005, 05:50 PM	#24
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 38 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	or you can not be ghetto and get the right tools.... __________________ I'm from Florida so I'm probably a bit more strange than you

05-04-2005, 01:10 PM	#26
sciamop Zilvia Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Posts: 217 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Hopefully, you replaced the mad tite JDM oil filter before you installed the engine. If not, it is a PITA to get a tool in there to loosen it. Otherwise, it should be easy to loosen by hand. If it's tough, you need to work on your kung-fu grip. Once mastered, you will be able to use your palm to remove the most stubborn oil filter. FRAM is a good beginner oil filter to practice with; it has a bedliner/grip-tape-like substance that will allow you to get a firm hold on it. Spillage, alas, is a fact of life. Deal with it. GL, Todd 93 Coupe (needs oil change) 91 SE-R (needs oil change)