2012 Presidential Election Thread! Let's kick it off early!

[1 88 U]

I'm still waiting for Corbic to explain to me what is keeping the black man down. Last I check it was the War on Drugs, Prision Industrial System, lack of substantial education and aide, racial targeting by police and predatory lenders, but apparently it is due to too much government help?

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

I'm still waiting for Corbic to explain to me what is keeping the black man down. Last I check it was the War on Drugs, Prision Industrial System, lack of substantial education and aide, racial targeting by police and predatory lenders, but apparently it is due to too much government help?

So are you saying that only black people do drugs? Hence why they are more likely to be convicted?

Are you saying prisons only target black people? Sounds racist... why didn't the raging racists of the 1950's do that then?

Are you saying judges are rigging these statistics?


Bureau of Justice Statistics Homicide trends in the U.S.: Trends by race

Here is the deal homie... You grow up to be your parents.

Check this book out.
Rereading America: Cultural Contexts for Critical Thinking and Writing: Gary Colombo,Robert Cullen,Bonnie Lisle: 9780312405540: Amazon.com: Books



Basically, if you are born in the Ghetto, your mom had you at 16, your dad is in prison and you live off welfare.... you will likely grow up to knock a girl up at 16, live off welfare and end up in prison.

This is the life you know, this is the way you where raised...why should anyone except you do be anything different? Its not about "race". Your not genitally coded one way or the other. It's culture. "Inner city ghetto culture" raises inner city ghetto americans... not wealthy wall-street bankers, not hollywood douche-bags and not middle-class suburbanites.

This is ingrained at every step of your life. From the opportunities you see, to the opportunities you really have. If everyone in your life is all about "fuck school, fuck the man, respect me" - where are you going to learn anything different? School? Please, ever notice how all inner city schools are the same? Keep passing the kids till they get into HS, then blame the HS that 9th grade kids read on a 4th grade level.Then the kid drops out... gets arrest and teachers demand a raise because its hard working 9 months a year.

So to answer your question about Government handouts - yes, they give you just enough to de-centivize you from trying to take that next step. It propitiates the culture of reliance, of "you owe me". Look at the polls, half of America pays no taxes. Surprisingly enough, that same half doesn't give a shit the country is going bankrupt. They are not contributing members to the system, so why should they care if the system is failing?

Further more, how about this... as for causation... 40 years of welfare programs have done nothing to lift up the poor, so even if it's not hurting, it's obviously its not working.

My personal opinion is if you believe in equality you need to transcend race and see things as a form of culture. Culture is learned and taught, its not in our genetic make up. There is bad culture, there is unproductive culture and there is successful culture.

I truly feel special privileges and exceptions should be removed across the board to almost the extent that we stop recording racial data. You'll never get beyond the idea that "He's White" or "I'm Black" if every 15 minutes we are thinking about how many white kids graduated and what do hispanic baseball players make compared to asians ones...

Until you can honestly say everyones rights are important, and not just have special intrest groups focusing one "their group" (like League of United Latin American Citizens) then you are always going to have a divide.

[1 88 U]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Check this book out.
Rereading America: Cultural Contexts for Critical Thinking and Writing: Gary Colombo,Robert Cullen,Bonnie Lisle: 9780312405540: Amazon.com: Books

Did you just read the conservative essays and ignore Sam Harris and Michael Moore?

The Ice Cube song is dope but you are missing the point. Once people make the decision to shed themselves of the behaviors that perpetuate poverty, there must be institutions in place to allow them to rise out of it. Plenty of people have used public assistance and education aide to rise out of poverty. You are advocating throwing the baby out with the bath water which I find deplorable.