The 2020 Presidential Race

[lewisfk]

^^ teenagers are dying from using flavored vapes at an unprecedented number. Walking pneumonia is up and it's all linked to vaping. All vape products need to be regulated by the FDA before they're sold to the masses. With this said, if you're willing to trust shit made in third world countries God be with you. The American vape association sued the previous administration in 2010 to up the age of tobacco use and to better enforce tobacco laws. This organization saw the writing on the wall, Obama and all elected officials failed the American youth.

[rvns14]

Originally Posted by lewisfk

^^ teenagers are dying from using flavored vapes at an unprecedented number. Walking pneumonia is up and it's all linked to vaping. All vape products need to be regulated by the FDA before they're sold to the masses. With this said, if you're willing to trust shit made in third world countries God be with you. The American vape association sued the previous administration in 2010 to up the age of tobacco use and to better enforce tobacco laws. This organization saw the writing on the wall, Obama and all elected officials failed the American youth.

Enforcing tobacco laws already on the books would make tobacco use less common in the under aged and would increase the profit of vape companies, not protect them from third world products. And Boeing, Nissan, Apple all use components made in the third world.

[Future240]

Originally Posted by lewisfk

^^ teenagers are dying from using flavored vapes at an unprecedented number. Walking pneumonia is up and it's all linked to vaping. All vape products need to be regulated by the FDA before they're sold to the masses. With this said, if you're willing to trust shit made in third world countries God be with you. The American vape association sued the previous administration in 2010 to up the age of tobacco use and to better enforce tobacco laws. This organization saw the writing on the wall, Obama and all elected officials failed the American youth.

First off that is a blatant lie. There have been 6 vaping deaths in the country.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/09/10/hea....google.com%2F

Secondly keeping tobacco out of teens hands is a parent’s job not the governments.

I agree July should not market to kid or make false claims. That is far as the FDA should go.

The ATF should just enforce the laws that we already have. Also require a credit card for online purchases. That way you can help curb teens buying vapes online.

Wtf is with y’all being ok with this nanny state nonsense? Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

A teenager is smart enough to know they should not be vaping if they are taught right. If they still choose to (like so many did with cigs back in the day) then that is on them.

It is not the government’s job to babysit.


Let me also link this article
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/09/03/hea...gle.com%25252F

Health officials say it's unclear whether there's a connection between cases, whether vaping definitively caused these illnesses and what components or chemicals of e-cigarettes might be responsible.

"We don't yet know the exact cause of these illnesses -- whether they're caused by contaminants, ingredients in the liquid or something else, such as the device itself," Dr. Ann Thomas, public health physician at Oregon Health Authority's Public Health Division, said in a statement.

From the first link

"At this time, more information is needed to better understand whether there's a relationship between any specific products or substances and the reported illnesses. The illnesses under investigation involve the broader use of vaping products -- including those being used with substances like THC; e-cigarettes are considered one type of vaping product," the statement said in part.

So basically it is unknown what the actual issue with vapes are as the investigation is on going but to “protect the kids” el presidente decides to make a sweeping ban.

This is a right side example of feel good legislation.

Bad Trump.

[S14rebuild]

Originally Posted by lewisfk

^^ teenagers are dying from using flavored vapes at an unprecedented number. Walking pneumonia is up and it's all linked to vaping. All vape products need to be regulated by the FDA before they're sold to the masses. With this said, if you're willing to trust shit made in third world countries God be with you. The American vape association sued the previous administration in 2010 to up the age of tobacco use and to better enforce tobacco laws. This organization saw the writing on the wall, Obama and all elected officials failed the American youth.

Uhh...this guy just doesn't stop with the bs

[lewisfk]

^^ First off this is not b.s. Just because you do not like my post, doesn't make it fake or wrong.

[S14rebuild]

Hows to kool-aide today lewisfk?

[lewisfk]

Originally Posted by S14rebuild

Hows to kool-aide today lewisfk?

I was actually defending the Vape Association because they were proactive with the warnings and Congress failed to pass tougher laws. Currently adult vapers are being demonized for the actions of dumb children who are miss using the product.

[lewisfk]

Originally Posted by Future240

First off that is a blatant lie. There have been 6 vaping deaths in the country.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/09/10/hea....google.com%2F

Secondly keeping tobacco out of teens hands is a parent’s job not the governments.

I agree July should not market to kid or make false claims. That is far as the FDA should go.

The ATF should just enforce the laws that we already have. Also require a credit card for online purchases. That way you can help curb teens buying vapes online.


Wtf is with y’all being ok with this nanny state nonsense? Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

A teenager is smart enough to know they should not be vaping if they are taught right. If they still choose to (like so many did with cigs back in the day) then that is on them.

It is not the government’s job to babysit.


Let me also link this article
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/09/03/hea...gle.com%25252F




From the first link


So basically it is unknown what the actual issue with vapes are as the investigation is on going but to “protect the kids” el presidente decides to make a sweeping ban.

This is a right side example of feel good legislation.

Bad Trump.

There have been six confirmed deaths through the CDC, and 450 cases of severe lung disease. There are 15 cases in different states were the teenagers had significant breathing issues prior to death, but the State Corner office has not ruled the cause of death. The common factor is all teenagers vaped heavily. When all the findings are released the numbers will only grow.

[Future240]

Originally Posted by lewisfk

There have been six confirmed deaths through the CDC, and 450 cases of severe lung disease. There are 15 cases in different states were the teenagers had significant breathing issues prior to death, but the State Corner office has not ruled the cause of death. The common factor is all teenagers vaped heavily. When all the findings are released the numbers will only grow.

Source?

Let’s say it is 15 deaths

https://www.wsj.com/articles/youth-v...how-1537481424

There are millions of teenage vapers. 15 out of a single million is not “unprecedented”.

[exitspeed]

It’s not just the deaths though. There’s a lawsuit currently where a dude basically has the lungs of a 70 year old smoker. One report said 7 in 10 middle school kids are vaping or have vaped. That makes cigarettes stats from the 60’s look sad. Shit is not good.

One of the premises of being a libertarian is one of the few functions of the government is to to use resources to protect US citizens against things they can’t protect them serves against, hence the military. In this case, this shit is so unregulated, highly highly addictive and a major health risk I do believe this is an situation where the government should act in SOME way. However I don’t believe it should be a an outright ban. Although that may be necessary considering the amount of this stuff in the market. Ban it. Force the FDA to regulate it (like any other controlled substance) and then lift the ban when it’s safe.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

It’s not just the deaths though. There’s a lawsuit currently where a dude basically has the lungs of a 70 year old smoker.

Some how I think he was abusing the shit out it. All the deaths and injuries are related to modified Chinese Vape Sticks and mixing your own super juice. Shock, smoking the equivalent of 10 packs of cigarettes and a case of Redbull a day from a boosted vaporizer is unhealthy.

Originally Posted by exitspeed;6357465One

report said 7 in 10 middle school kids are vaping or have vaped. That makes cigarettes stats from the 60’s look sad. Shit is not good.

I call bullshit.

Originally Posted by exitspeed;6357465One

One of the premises of being a libertarian is one of the few functions of the government is to to use resources to protect US citizens against things they can’t protect them serves against, hence the military.

Oh this twisted logic will be good....

Originally Posted by exitspeed;6357465One

In this case, this shit is so unregulated, highly highly addictive and a major health risk I do believe this is an situation where the government should act in SOME way.

Yet all y'all calling for vape regulstions are likely the same assholes demanding legalization of pot.

Originally Posted by exitspeed;6357465One

However I don’t believe it should be a an outright ban. Although that may be necessary considering the amount of this stuff in the market. Ban it. Force the FDA to regulate it (like any other controlled substance) and then lift the ban when it’s safe.

This is the exact same bullshit "think of the childern" reactionary garbage is what has turned us into the craptastic over regulated borderline communist police state we've become.


One asshole backs over his kid and now backup cameras are MANDATORY.

If your so worried about the childern why don't you go after the real enemy.. Mother Fucking Domino's Sugar.




As far as kids vaping, that's a parental issue.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by Future240

Source?

Let’s say it is 15 deaths

https://www.wsj.com/articles/youth-v...how-1537481424

There are millions of teenage vapers. 15 out of a single million is not “unprecedented”.

Exactly and I've seen more articles about flesh eating bacteria, alligator attacks and brain eating amoebas killing kids this year alone.

Ironic, 15 kids die over almost 20 years and it's an "epidemic".

20 people die BEA and it's "so incredibly rare" that it's considered statistical improbable and treatments simply don't exist because of its rarity deposited a 97% lethality rate.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/...-kills/594964/

[KA24DESOneThree]

Originally Posted by lewisfk

if you want to understand how militias work in the modern era, google Iraq. Militias are no different than mercenaries killing for power and money. (MODERN ERA)

If you don't think militaries kill for power and money, you're deluding yourself. Anyone wearing a uniform might have nothing but the best intentions in mind, but the people sending them to fight don't.

We need a third, and fourth, and fifth party. But that's not going to happen. The US will continue its slide into being a shell of what it once could have been.

Stop being bullheaded buffoons. If something is "socialist" but costs less to implement and maintain than the current system, it's the right choice. If a good idea comes from someone you hate, that doesn't make it a bad idea. We're all in this country together.

[lewisfk]

^^ really, that's what I was saying! I was being sarcastic!

The Vape industry tried to self regulate, and the Government failed to pass meaningful laws. Most teenagers are buying knock of vape machines and nicotine made in third world countries. JUUL pointed this out in the last hearing. This is what I pointed out in several post.


Future.
https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_in...g-disease.html

https://www.kens5.com/mobile/article...e-7f45f989b2fe

[S14rebuild]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi..._the_nra.html#!





Yup........ this is perfectly fine?!

[lewisfk]

^^ no it is not! Beto is wrong! I want comprehensive back ground checks on everyone, if an individual wants to sale a gun they must contract a FFL individual to run the back ground check prior to the sale, and I want a portion of FFL fees to go to police and first responder!

[KA24DESOneThree]

Originally Posted by lewisfk

^^ really, that's what I was saying! I was being sarcastic!

The Vape industry tried to self regulate, and the Government failed to pass meaningful laws. Most teenagers are buying knock of vape machines and nicotine made in third world countries. JUUL pointed this out in the last hearing. This is what I pointed out in several post.


Future.
https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_in...g-disease.html

https://www.kens5.com/mobile/article...e-7f45f989b2fe

Mili-taries. Not mili-tias. I'm saying that military or militia, you're fighting for someone else's cause. Sometimes, you join because you want to fight for your parents, your neighbors, freedom... and sometimes you join because the chances of death are low and college is free.

I live in California. Face-to-face transactions are banned, but still happen. They will always still happen. There are a lot of guns out there with zero history.

Beto couldn't have my AR if I had one and I might buy one just to spite him. You know what I'd do with it? Nothing. I might go shoot lead-free ammo in an area so remote no one would ever know I'd been there. I might keep it stored in my safe. I might dress it up in a little princess outfit and throw it a tea party.

Kids don't have to go to school scared of being shot because the chances are overwhelming they'll be killed in a car crash on the way to or from school rather than in a school shooting. The chances are overwhelming they'll die young from obesity-related illnesses. The chances are overwhelming they'll die young from a medical mistake.

This is all stupid. People are stupid, and they vote.

[S14rebuild]

Originally Posted by lewisfk

^^ no it is not! Beto is wrong! I want comprehensive back ground checks on everyone, if an individual wants to sale a gun they must contract a FFL individual to run the back ground check prior to the sale, and I want a portion of FFL fees to go to police and first responder!

So if my dad wants to give me a family ownednforearm, and passes it down to me...this is what u want?

[lewisfk]

I believe you have the right to receive a family heirloom, but if your a felon than no. The goal is to keep firearms out the hands of dangerous people. If you repaid your debt to society and your felony was not assault base, rape, or drug related than you should be able to own a gun. It is up to your State and its citizens to decide what you can own.

[S14rebuild]

But when u state comprehensive background checks FOR EVERYONE, that doesnt follow what u just said

[Future240]

Originally Posted by lewisfk

^^ really, that's what I was saying! I was being sarcastic!

The Vape industry tried to self regulate, and the Government failed to pass meaningful laws. Most teenagers are buying knock of vape machines and nicotine made in third world countries. JUUL pointed this out in the last hearing. This is what I pointed out in several post.


Future.
https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_in...g-disease.html

https://www.kens5.com/mobile/article...e-7f45f989b2fe

What we know
There are 380* cases of lung illness reported from 36 states and 1 U.S. territory. Six deaths have been reported from 6 states.
All reported cases have a history of e-cigarette product use or vaping.
Most patients have reported a history of using e-cigarette products containing THC. Many patients have reported using THC and nicotine. Some have reported the use of e-cigarette products containing only nicotine.
What we don’t know
We do not yet know the specific cause of these illnesses. The investigation has not identified any specific e-cigarette or vaping product (devices, liquids, refill pods, and/or cartridges) or substance that is linked to all cases.

So the cdc is saying the correlation seems to be thc vapes which are not legal in most places which means people are getting them from the black market and getting sick from some of them.

Meanwhile it would be law abiding vape shop owners that get fucked

Hmm sounds familiar.....

[lewisfk]

^^ Not just black market, most of these head shops or vape shops are selling bogus shit. Kids are their biggest market and do not want stop selling cotton candy or whatever flavor to them. The kids are doing a mod to juul so they can use THC products, can someone elaborate on that?

[S14rebuild]

If theres a will, theres a way.....just ban everything, lock everyone up...ILLEGAL

[lewisfk]

come on man, Beto is clown and he is making it harder to compromise for the better good!

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by lewisfk

come on man, Beto is clown and he is making it harder to compromise for the better good!

No, he's just speaking what ya'll are thinking.

Here's a compromise, repeal the NFA on SBR and Silencers.

[S14rebuild]

Betos a clow so what is biden?


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...outputType=amp


Or how about harris?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...anned-firearms



These Democrats will start a civil war. GUARNTEED

[S14rebuild]

Originally Posted by Corbic

No, he's just speaking what ya'll are thinking.

Here's a compromise, repeal the NFA on SBR and Silencers.

Got my vote!!!!

[Future240]

Ugh.

Kamala is so full of shit. I think she is the worse out of the bunch. In the last dnc debate she gave a bunch of non answers and basically said “orange man bad” to everything.

Biden was the most moderate but he is being pulled to the left to try and appease the dnc fan base.

[feito]

lol, leftists and their feelings... must tone it down in order not to offend any lefty snowflakes: undocumented immigrant for their illegal aliens, justice involve person for their convicted felons, and now mandatory buybacks for CONFISCATIONS. When it comes to firearms the vast majority involve will be rightists, and dems, you dont have to sugarcoat shit for us, say it like it is, we already know what it means anyway. CONFISCATIONS.

[tlieberman240]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Here's a compromise, repeal the NFA on SBR and Silencers.

I can agree with this 110%. SBR and silencer laws are some of the dumbest on the books.