Viper 5901 into s14. Help needed.

[mikeroy420]

I am trying to install my Viper 5901 into my 97 240sx. I am still unsure about a few of the connections, even after searching1995-97 Nissan 240 SX Alarm, Remote Starter, Keyless Entry Wiring Information, Stealth Car Alarm Install - 95-98 Nissan 240SX, http://zilvia.net/f/chat/142355-inst...1xv-alarm.html. Any help would be appreciated.

Here are the connections I already know:

H1 Main Harness

H1/1 Red/White (-) 200mA Aux/Trunk output --> to trunk selonoid relay
H1/2 Red (+) 12V constant input--> to 12V white in ING harness
H1/3 Brown (+) Siren Output--> to sirens
H1/4 White/Brown Parking Light Isolation wire--> not used
H1/5 Black (-) Chassis Ground--> to ground
H1/6 Violet (+) Door Trigger Input--> not used
H1/7 Blue (-) Trunk Pin/Instant Trigger Input--> to tilt sensor, backup battery, and trunk light
H1/8 Green (-) Door Trigger Input--> to red/white drivers side kick panel
H1/9 Black/White (-) 200mA Dome Light Supervision output--> not used
H1/10 White/Blue (-) Remote Start/Turbo Timer Activation--> not used, have an Apexi turbo timer (using diode)
H1/11 White Parking Light output--> to red/blue ING harness
H1/12 Orange (-) 500mA Ground when armed output --> to 507M tilt sensor and for fuel cut trigger

The following harnesses have connections that I am unsure about.

H2 Harness

H2/1 Light Green/black (-) 200mA alarm disarm output --> to green/yellow, anti-theft
H2/2 Orange/Black (-) 200mA Aux 4 output --> not used???
H2/3 Green/White (-) 200mA alarm arm output --> light green/red, anti-theft
H2/4 Violet/black (-) 200mA Aux 2 output --> not used???
H2/5 White/Black (-) 200mA Aux 3 output --> not used???
H2/6 White/violet (-) 200mA Aux 1 output --> not used???
H2/7 Grey/black (-) Diesel wait to start input --> not used???
H2/8 Brown/black (-) 200mA Horn Honk output-->to yellow/green anti-theft module
H2/9 Violet/White Tachometer input --> to yellow/red, ECM passenger side kick panel
H2/10 Dark blue (-) 200mA status output -->not used???
H2/11 pink/white (-) 200mA flex relay control output -->???
H2/12 orange (-) 200mA accessory output --> ???
H2/13 purple (-) 200mA starter output --> ???
H2/14 pink (-) 200mA ignition 1 output --> ???
H2/15 grey (-) Hood pin input --> to yellow/black, anti-theft module
H2/16 blue/white (-) 200mA 2nd status/rear defogger output --> ????
H2/17 brown (+) brake shutdown input --> to red/green , brake switch
H2/18 black/white (-) neutral safety input --> ???????


H3 Remote Start Harness

H3/1 Pink (+) Ignition 1 input/output --> to white, ignition harness car side
H3/2 Red/White (87) Flex Relay input (30A Fused) --> not used
H3/3 Orange (+) Accessory output --> not used???
H3/4 Violet (+) Starter output car side --> to black/yellow, ignition harness car side
H3/5 Green (+) Starter input key side --> to black/yellow, ignition harness key side
H3/6 Red Ignition 1 input (30A fused) --> to white, ignition harness key side
H3/7 Pink/White (30) Flex Relay output --> ?????
H3/8 Pink/black (87a) Flex relay input --> ?????
H3/9 Red/black accessory/starter relay input (30A fused) --> ?????

If someone could help fill in the question marks and correct any mistakes that would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

[Broadfield]

H1 Main Harness

H1/1 Red/White (-) 200mA Aux/Trunk output --> to trunk selonoid relay NOT USED
H1/2 Red (+) 12V constant input--> to 12V white in ING harness CORRECT
H1/3 Brown (+) Siren Output--> to sirens TO RED WIRE OF SIREN
H1/4 White/Brown Parking Light Isolation wire--> not used CORRECT
H1/5 Black (-) Chassis Ground--> to ground CORRECT
H1/6 Violet (+) Door Trigger Input--> not used CORRECT
H1/7 Blue (-) Trunk Pin/Instant Trigger Input--> to tilt sensor, backup battery, and trunk light CORRECT
H1/8 Green (-) Door Trigger Input--> to red/white drivers side kick panel CORRECT
H1/9 Black/White (-) 200mA Dome Light Supervision output--> not used OPTIONAL
H1/10 White/Blue (-) Remote Start/Turbo Timer Activation--> not used, have an Apexi turbo timer (using diode)
H1/11 White Parking Light output--> to red/blue ING harness CORRECT (set fuse for "+" under door on module)
H1/12 Orange (-) 500mA Ground when armed output --> to 507M tilt sensor and for fuel cut trigger CORRECT

The following harnesses have connections that I am unsure about.

H2 Harness

H2/1 Light Green/black (-) 200mA alarm disarm output --> to green/yellow, anti-theft CORRECT
H2/2 Orange/Black (-) 200mA Aux 4 output --> not used??? CORRECT
H2/3 Green/White (-) 200mA alarm arm output --> light green/red, anti-theft CORRECT
H2/4 Violet/black (-) 200mA Aux 2 output --> not used??? CORRECT
H2/5 White/Black (-) 200mA Aux 3 output --> not used??? CORRECT
H2/6 White/violet (-) 200mA Aux 1 output --> not used??? CORRECT
H2/7 Grey/black (-) Diesel wait to start input --> not used??? CORRECT
H2/8 Brown/black (-) 200mA Horn Honk output-->to yellow/green anti-theft module CORRECT or optional
H2/9 Violet/White Tachometer input --> to yellow/red, ECM passenger side kick panel CORRECT(or any fuel injector wire that is not the common color)
H2/10 Dark blue (-) 200mA status output -->not used??? CORRECT
H2/11 pink/white (-) 200mA flex relay control output --> NOT USED
H2/12 orange (-) 200mA accessory output --> ??? NOT USED
H2/13 purple (-) 200mA starter output --> ??? wire to pin 85 of a SPDT relay, Pin 87: heavy gauge 12volts from White wire in ignition harness, pin 86: small gauge 12 volt jumper from pin 87, pin30: heavy gauge wire to black/white in ignition harness, pin 87a not used.
H2/14 pink (-) 200mA ignition 1 output --> ??? NOT USED
H2/15 grey (-) Hood pin input --> to yellow/black, anti-theft module CORRECT
H2/16 blue/white (-) 200mA 2nd status/rear defogger output --> ???? NOT USED
H2/17 brown (+) brake shutdown input --> to red/green , brake switch CORRECT
H2/18 black/white (-) neutral safety input --> If manual trans then e-brake wire at e-brake. If auto then ground it.


H3 Remote Start Harness

H3/1 Pink (+) Ignition 1 input/output --> to white, ignition harness car side BLACK/RED at ignition harness
H3/2 Red/White (87) Flex Relay input (30A Fused) --> not used WHITE at ignition harness (the one that test as 12volt constant)
H3/3 Orange (+) Accessory output --> not used??? CORRECT
H3/4 Violet (+) Starter output car side --> to black/yellow, ignition harness car side CORRECT
H3/5 Green (+) Starter input key side --> to black/yellow, ignition harness key side CORRECT
H3/6 Red Ignition 1 input (30A fused) --> to white, ignition harness key side WHITE at ignition harness (the one that test as 12volt constant)
H3/7 Pink/White (30) Flex Relay output --> ????? Cut the non constant 12v WHITE wire at ignition harness, this goes to NON key side
H3/8 Pink/black (87a) Flex relay input --> ????? Cut the non constant 12v WHITE wire at ignition harness, this goes to key side
H3/9 Red/black accessory/starter relay input (30A fused) --> ????? WHITE at ignition harness (the one that test as 12volt constant)

NOTE: You must set Menu 3, item 8 to option 2. This will set the Flex Relay for Accessory2

[mikeroy420]

Toby your a class act my friend. Thanks you so much for the help.

[Broadfield]

Originally Posted by mikeroy420

Toby your a class act my friend. Thanks you so much for the help.

No problem man! Just let me know if you need any other wiring help or with programming options.... I'm sure you might get stuck somewhere else along the way. You can just post in here again.

Toby

[R_G]

haha this helped out alot. I was about to pay 320 because i could not find a red wire that my car never had lol.

[R_G]

what did you do with the 3-pin door lock connector? is it used ?

[Broadfield]

Originally Posted by R_G

what did you do with the 3-pin door lock connector? is it used ?

Green - Power Lock ---> Lt. green/white @ anti-theft module (The anti-theft module is located just above hood release cable in the drivers kick panel.)

Blue - Power Unlock ---> Brown @ anti-theft module (The anti-theft module is located just above hood release cable in the drivers kick panel.)

[R_G]

thank you so much, last question i hope. On Harness 2/3 i dont have a light green/red wire. i have a base 95 S14. what other wire can i use? i have a light green/ white

[Broadfield]

Originally Posted by R_G

thank you so much, last question i hope. On Harness 2/3 i dont have a light green/red wire. i have a base 95 S14. what other wire can i use? i have a light green/ white

If you don't have factory security, then you obviously won't have a factory arm wire in the car... which in turn means you won't hook that wire up.

[R_G]

thanks a' lot again.

[mikeroy420]

Toby,

I am having some issues with the H3 harness install. My car is totally dismantled so I have no way of measuring 12V. I'm sort of confused on the flex relay wiring for the alarm and the white wire for the car.

Do I tie the red/white, red/black, and the solid red together and solder that to the fuse side of the white wire?

Do the pink/black and the pink/white get attached together and soldered to the white wire on the key side?

Above it says that the pink/black and the pink/white wires are both 12V non constant, but the pink/white is on the car side and the pink/black is on the key side, this is confusing me, maybe it would be easier if I had a 12V supply, but some help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

[Broadfield]

I think you are over thinking it. All of the heavy gauge red wires, whether they have a stripe or not, get tied into 12volts constant. The smaller red wire from the H1 harness also gets tied in with these wires. So I strip back all four wires and wrap them around the vehicles constant wire in the ignition harness and then solder/tape it. The vehicles constant wire is the white wire in the ignition harness. You will obviously need to test for this since there are two white wires in the ignition harness.

As for the accessory wire, which is the other white wire in the ignition harness, it needs to be isolated from the key cylinder during remote start. So in other words, the key cylinder cannot see 12volts on this white wire during remote start. So we need to cut it and loop it through the Flex Relay in the Viper. The in and out on the Viper is the pink/black and pink/white. So you need to cut this white accessory wire in half. On the side that goes to the key cylinder you will wire in the pink/black. Then the other side of the cut wire will wire to the pink/white wire. You will then need to make sure you read my programming note in my 1st post.

[R_G]

I have another question. My alarm chirps but the door locks don't open or close when I arm or disarm the alarm , also do my lights have to flash when I arm the alarm ? Or is it a mode that I have to select ?

Also pm me your paypal so I can send u for some beer . Thanks

[mikeroy420]

Haha, beer money. I will have to chip in too.

Yeah Toby, when it comes to wiring, I always over think things. I dont know how people do this for a living. Upside down, head in the dash. My neck and back are sore. I didnt see the second white wire, that were my confusion was. Thanks again.

I have a friend interested in some audio gear. I was wondering if you could pm me with some prices for your top of the line 6x9's and 6 or 6 1/2 speakers. And a top of the line amp to run 4 of those speakers. Please and thanks.

[Broadfield]

Originally Posted by R_G

I have another question. My alarm chirps but the door locks don't open or close when I arm or disarm the alarm , also do my lights have to flash when I arm the alarm ? Or is it a mode that I have to select ?

Also pm me your paypal so I can send u for some beer . Thanks

As for the locks, you either have something wired incorrectly or you have a bad system. I'll ask the obvious: you do have OEM power locks on the car?

Yes, they have to flash if you have the parking lights hooked up. May I ask why you don't want them to flash only on arm? You may be able to use a relay to interrupt the parking light feed from the Viper. You would trigger it with the green lock wire from the Viper. You won't know until you trying it though... the timing is going to be close.

LOL, thanks for the offer.... but I don't drink beer anyway.

Originally Posted by mikeroy420

Haha, beer money. I will have to chip in too.

Yeah Toby, when it comes to wiring, I always over think things. I dont know how people do this for a living. Upside down, head in the dash. My neck and back are sore. I didnt see the second white wire, that were my confusion was. Thanks again.

I have a friend interested in some audio gear. I was wondering if you could pm me with some prices for your top of the line 6x9's and 6 or 6 1/2 speakers. And a top of the line amp to run 4 of those speakers. Please and thanks.

Cool man, I'm glad you got that figured out.

As for the audio equipment, are you sure he wants pricing on my top-of-the-line stuff? That gets out of hand real quick. I'll send you a PM and we can discuss it.

[R_G]

Originally Posted by Broadfield

As for the locks, you either have something wired incorrectly or you have a bad system. I'll ask the obvious: you do have OEM power locks on the car?

Yes, they have to flash if you have the parking lights hooked up. May I ask why you don't want them to flash only on arm? You may be able to use a relay to interrupt the parking light feed from the Viper. You would trigger it with the green lock wire from the Viper. You won't know until you trying it though... the timing is going to be close.

The car does have oem power locks. I did connect the blue and green wires for the door locks. I just don't know why they are not working.

The question about the parking lights is that mine don't flash , so I'm thinking I hooked something up incorrectly . I do want them to flash when arm and disarm. I just hope I don't have a bad system.

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[mikeroy420]

Toby, with the audio sensor and its extra 3 pin connector. I dont have a shock sensor, so can I just use the prox/motion sensor in its place? Thanks

[Broadfield]

Originally Posted by R_G

The car does have oem power locks. I did connect the blue and green wires for the door locks. I just don't know why they are not working.

The question about the parking lights is that mine don't flash , so I'm thinking I hooked something up incorrectly . I do want them to flash when arm and disarm. I just hope I don't have a bad system.

Did you test the wires to confirm they were indeed the lock/unlock wires before you tapped into them? If they do indeed test, then simply touch ground to the lock wire of the car and it should lock the doors. If so, then you have a bad Viper or you have something wired incorrectly somehow.

As for the parking lights, do you have the correct red/blue wire.... did you test to confirm? There are two red/blues in the ignition harness if that's where you got it. Only one of those is the parking light wire. Also, the obvious: did you insert the parking light fuse under the door on the brain?

Originally Posted by mikeroy420

Toby, with the audio sensor and its extra 3 pin connector. I dont have a shock sensor, so can I just use the prox/motion sensor in its place? Thanks

Basically the prox will plug into the port on the brain. Then you will cut off the ends of the audio sensor and tap the blue, red and black wires in with the same colors on the prox cable. Does that make sense?

[mikeroy420]

Got it. Thanks again

If I was to use the the dome light supervision output, how would go about doing that?
Connect the alarms green and black/white together. Connect them to the red/white in the dirver's side kick panel and ground the alarms violet?

[Broadfield]

Originally Posted by mikeroy420

Got it. Thanks again

If I was to use the the dome light supervision output, how would go about doing that?
Connect the alarms green and black/white together. Connect them to the red/white in the dirver's side kick panel and ground the alarms violet?

First simply try wiring black/white in with the green for the door trigger. Sometimes the ground output of the black/white is strong enough to turn on the dome light. If it doesn't work then you simply need to wire a relay to beef up the ground output of the black/white wire.

Relay:

85 --> Black/white
86 --> 12 volts constant
87 --> Ground
30 --> Vehicle's door trigger(so just tie it in with the green wire on the Viper)

[R_G]

Originally Posted by Broadfield

Did you test the wires to confirm they were indeed the lock/unlock wires before you tapped into them? If they do indeed test, then simply touch ground to the lock wire of the car and it should lock the doors. If so, then you have a bad Viper or you have something wired incorrectly somehow.

Yes, i tested the wires. When i hooked the blue and green wires they would unlock and lock the door lock as i moved them together.

Originally Posted by Broadfield

the obvious: did you insert the parking light fuse under the door on the brain?

uhm.... It was not that obvious to me lol.

[Broadfield]

Originally Posted by R_G

Yes, i tested the wires. When i hooked the blue and green wires they would unlock and lock the door lock as i moved them together.

So with the blue and green wires disconnected from your OEM door lock wires, if you touch the green wire to the OEM lock wire it locks the doors? Likewise if you touch the blue wire to the OEM unlock wire it unlocks the doors? If so you have a bad system. Unless you have a bad ground for the Viper. But I assume it's ok since you said the rest of the Viper works.... correct?

[R_G]

Originally Posted by Broadfield

So with the blue and green wires disconnected from your OEM door lock wires, if you touch the green wire to the OEM lock wire it locks the doors? Likewise if you touch the blue wire to the OEM unlock wire it unlocks the doors? If so you have a bad system. Unless you have a bad ground for the Viper. But I assume it's ok since you said the rest of the Viper works.... correct?

Yes , that is correct. When I would touch the wires for the unlock and lock they would work. I'm going to check my ground on the alarm and if that does not work I will be ordering one from you.

Thanks, Rafael.


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[Broadfield]

Alright, just let me know what happens with it.

[mikeroy420]

Originally Posted by Broadfield

First simply try wiring black/white in with the green for the door trigger. Sometimes the ground output of the black/white is strong enough to turn on the dome light. If it doesn't work then you simply need to wire a relay to beef up the ground output of the black/white wire.

Relay:

85 --> Black/white
86 --> 12 volts constant
87 --> Ground
30 --> Vehicle's door trigger(so just tie it in with the green wire on the Viper)

So do you need to ground the voilet, or leave floating?

H1/7 Blue connects to red at the anti-theft. Mine has been moved from pin 26 on the anti-theft to pin 20 on the A/T Countrol Unit. It must have been done by the previous owner. Can I still use this?

[Broadfield]

Originally Posted by mikeroy420

So do you need to ground the voilet, or leave floating?

H1/7 Blue connects to red at the anti-theft. Mine has been moved from pin 26 on the anti-theft to pin 20 on the A/T Countrol Unit. It must have been done by the previous owner. Can I still use this?

No, the violet is for vehicles with + door triggers. So you will not use it at all.

As for the red wire, this is your trunk pin trigger. So you need to test it to be sure. With the trunk closed, the red wire should rest at 12V+ or open. When you open the trunk the red wire should go to ground.

[mikeroy420]

I am trying to wire up two relays off of negative triggers for the trunk popper and the fuel cut. I was just wondering if you could confirm this wiring is correct.

Truck Popper Relay

85- Red/White from alarm (-)
86- 12V from Battery (fused)
30- 12V from battery (fused)
87a- not connected
87- to truck solenoid

Fuel Cut

85- orange wire from alarm
86- black/red ignition at key switch
87a- black/yellow at fuel pump relay or pump
87- not connected
30- 12V fused from battery

[mikeroy420]

I dont know if its were everything is disconnected, but my red wire is a short to ground. So I dont know if there is a switch in the AT control unit the switches the voltage.

Pin 20 on the AT control module is the selector for ''R" for the automatic transmission.

[Broadfield]

Originally Posted by mikeroy420

I am trying to wire up two relays off of negative triggers for the trunk popper and the fuel cut. I was just wondering if you could confirm this wiring is correct.

Truck Popper Relay

85- Red/White from alarm (-)
86- 12V from Battery (fused)
30- 12V from battery (fused)
87a- not connected
87- to truck solenoid

Fuel Cut

85- orange wire from alarm
86- black/red ignition at key switch
87a- black/yellow at fuel pump relay or pump
87- not connected
30- 12V fused from battery

The trunk relay is correct, but the fuel cut is not. If you want to cut the fuel source, then you will need to interrupt the wire for the pump. So you will cut the fuel pump wire in half and connect one side to 87a and the other side to 30... doesn't matter which side you hook to each. Otherwise 85, 86 and 87 are correct.

[mikeroy420]

Toby,

I am unable to find the red wire for the trunk trigger. Is there an alternative? I am also unable to locate the light green/red wire on the anti theft module. I am assuming that the anti theft module and the SECU are the same thing, is this correct? If so, mine doesnt have all the pins. Looking at the fsm and the pin out, I believe the the light green/red wire should be pin 8. But on my connecter only has one pin on the bottom, pin 10 brown. I'm really confused now.

The person that owned the car before me must have been at the harness, I'm finding splices and tape everywhere.