HOW TO: 5 Lug Conversion

[240SilviaX]

You can unbolt the axle @ the diff and slide the axle out of the bearing w/o removing any of the arms from the knuckle and then remove the hub. Made it very easy to get those 4 bolts on the back side of the knuckle.

[Frank_Jaeger]

Originally Posted by jaysgottaredtop

^ both of my housemates (both with S13s) have used ebay hubs at one point or another, and they all went bad.

one hub (a front hub) developed play between the outer race of the bearing and the hub into which it was pressed! very very very very very bad. the bearing is bolted to the knuckle... but suddenly the hub/rotor/wheel are no longer firmly attached to the bearing! the only thing holding on the hub/rotor/wheel is the brake caliper (which is then getting loaded/twisted as the car enters a hard corner).

bottom line: ebay hubs can be very dangerous. either use oem s13/s14 hubs, or grind out a new snap-ring groove into a j30 hub and press in the correct s13/s14 bearing.

Why can't you just press in OEM bearings into ebay hubs?

[jaysgottaredtop]

^ not the same tolerance. my housemate tried, but it wasn't a tight fit. way too sloppy to actually use.

[VinceDude]

Originally Posted by twyztidmind

Thanks! I used the bearings that came with it, not going to lie, they did look iffy but we dont track this car or anything so i wanted to see how they would hold up as a DD (will keep you guys updated)

No pics of the wheels just yet, getting new tires on them right now, it's an S14 btw..

Nice write up man. Can you use the oem bearings on these conversion hubs will they fit in there? I'm not specifically asking about just these hubs but all the other conversion hub brands. Can all of them fit the oem bearings? I've been hearing from everyone that the bearings that come with those are trash.

[Taylordog2]

I'm about to dive into this project tomorrow on my s13, the rears i have no concerns about but the fronts i believe are off of an S14 that my buddy had in Japan, it has R32 brakes according to him, they look like z32 brakes to me.. My question is will my stock brake lines work with those calipers and will my brake maSter be alright or do i need a different master? And i read on the second page that if they are off of an s14 you need the lower control arms to?? What's the difference in hubs??

[Taylordog2]

Just read this " s14 5 lug hubs bolt in after u change the ball joint in the s13 lower control arm after that the s14 hub needs to b pressed into ur s13 knuckle easy peasy lemon squeezy" is this true?? And if i have the s14 knuckle could i just do the ball joint on the LCA and everything else should bolt up?

[240SilviaX]

Yes.. very good you searched.. for the 14 knuckle on a 13 arm you need a 14 ball joint in that LCA.. as for your brake master you will need to change it cuz it will become very spongy and kinda scary to drive, because it has to push 8 pistons instead of 2 in the front.. .. they sell conversion brake lines at almost every 240 performance store cuz the stocks are different than the R32/z32 style ,, just google it

[Juantwo3]

if u have an s13 you will also need either s14 calipers in the front or z32 fixed calipers in the front witch ever you perfer or afford.

[jaysgottaredtop]

^ what? an s13 with stock s13 knuckles, stock s13 calipers, and stock 5-lug s14 rotors will fit perfectly. you don't need to get s14 calipers. hell, as far as i know they're virtually identical anyways. i should know because i did it and they worked fine, haha

[Juantwo3]

Originally Posted by jaysgottaredtop

^ what? an s13 with stock s13 knuckles, stock s13 calipers, and stock 5-lug s14 rotors will fit perfectly. you don't need to get s14 calipers. hell, as far as i know they're virtually identical anyways. i should know because i did it and they worked fine, haha

word????!!!!!!!

dam i spent money for nothing i read a right up and it said s13 calipers wouldnt fit the larger rotors of the z32 26mm

[jaysgottaredtop]

^ wtf? no no no no.

if you are using an s14 brake rotor on your s13, your s13 caliper will work fine.

if you are using a z32 rotor, you need to also get the correct z32 caliper. s13/s14 calipers will definitely not work with z32 rotors.

[Taylordog2]

Originally Posted by 240SilviaX

Yes.. very good you searched.. for the 14 knuckle on a 13 arm you need a 14 ball joint in that LCA.. as for your brake master you will need to change it cuz it will become very spongy and kinda scary to drive, because it has to push 8 pistons instead of 2 in the front.. .. they sell conversion brake lines at almost every 240 performance store cuz the stocks are different than the R32/z32 style ,, just google it

Alright good to know! I appreciate the info guys that's going to save me money lol i saw a z32 master on CL for pretty cheap along with some drilled and slotted rotors, the z32 master will bolt up right? I did the rears today since my 5 lug came off of a complete rear sub frame i just pulled and swapped everything lol axles, LCA's, calipers, all of it it was just easier easier that way but it took me about 3 hours to strip the subframe and install on my car everything works flawlessly and i fixed a couple minor problems along the way too.

For you guys here in OC where are some 240 shops I'm in Moreno valley..

Here's a couple pics sorry bout the quality..
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[240SilviaX]

search, FRSport.com - Aftermarket Performance Parts , Welcome to The NISMO Shop - At West Covina Nissan, Enjuku Racing Parts, LLC - High Performance Auto Parts, is just some sites that will have those conversion lines,, I do believe the master will fit but not 100% sure,, a quick search on google will answer ur questions

[240SilviaX]

btw is that a J30 rear hub ??

[240SilviaX]

look at this..http://www.thenismoshop.com/Braking_c_35.html will have the correct parts and for the conversion and e-brake cables for the drum style e-brake

[ov1989]

sub'd! neat write up man

[Slowasscivic]

Great write up and very helpful. I am doing the same thing on my s13 but I want to use 300zx calipers all around. Will I need an adapter to attach them to the hub?

[kilamax03]

nice write up.. i did this on my s13 on sat. like 240silviax said- if you have an s13 its better to just remove the axels and undo the bolts for the rear hub.. front hub is just slide on.. if you have a hard time removing the rear hub once you have the bolts out just use a hamer and tap/bang it from the sides and you will see it start to slide out..
and i used s14 rotors also...

[240SilviaX]

Dont forget to use your WD40

[Taylor008]

Removing the axle for the rears is a big waste of time, don't listen to them LOL. I used to think that until my friend showed me otherwise.

There are recessed areas in the axle so that you have room to loosen the bolts for the hub. Just turn your wheel/axle until the axle is in the correct location, remove bolt 4x, and remove the hub.

Every time I've had to remove rear hubs they're real bitches from all the rust. I found that if you PARTIALLY thread the bolts into the back of the hub, then hammer them (on all corners,) the hub will start sliding out. Also beating the hell out of the face of the hub works as well.

[240SilviaX]

Some replacement axles dont have those axles recessed areas like mine ,, and using wd40 makes it alot easier to remove the hub so that you dont have to beat it and just tap it out so that way you wont damage the hub or bearing if you wanted to sell it or re use it if needed to

[240SilviaX]

Plus it makes it easier to get to those bolts and getting a torque wrench in there + my axles were already detached because I was rebuilding my diff at that time

[240SilviaX]

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[coupesallday!]

Originally Posted by future

I have a questions. I bought some z32 n/a rear hubs. They fit my axEls and everything. But the hubs have he extra tab on them. Thoes holds the ebrake shoe together on the z32. Im bot doing the rear ebrake conversions so will these hubs work? Or are they only good for people using them for a z32 ebrake conversion? Oh and this is a s13 btw

would like to know this as well...but for s14

[twyztidmind]

Z32 rear hubs will work on s13 and s14

[FernieMac]

I just recently picked up a set of SE hubs and rotors. I've been told my stock front calipers on my '95 wont work with the new rotors but the rear will.. is this true? do i need to go with a Q45 or Z32 setup? or stock se calipers?

[sweeper240]

might do this with these:
ISIS Performance 5 Lug Hub Conversion - Nissan 240sx 89-94 S13 - Enjuku Racing Parts, LLC

[manny325]

anyone running drop enginnering hubs

[kidwithjdmstuff]

thanks bro! this is helps a lot! i am doing my conversion next month. can't wait! once again thank! how does the 350z rims look on your ride?

[Frank_Jaeger]

Originally Posted by manny325

anyone running drop enginnering hubs

I am up front. When I bought the fronts they were going through a revision for the rear and I couldn't get the rears too. Ending up getting shameful ebay hubs.

The drop engineering hubs are surprisingly good quality for what they cost. Packaging was very good, hubs / bearings have held up great. I'm impressed. If my ebay hubs take a dump I'll be picking up the DE hubs for the rear.