Smog Legal Japanese engines? Inquire within.

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Zar- I'll be looking forward to it, and also yes stock SR is most important.

[blownoffvalve]

the sr20 alone will pass N/A but the boost is what doesn't allow it to pass =(

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

...Wow, now I know what you guys that have been at this thing for a while are dealing with...

[cmcdougle]

what, his post?:

Originally Posted by boosteddet

the sr20 alone will pass N/A but the boost is what doesn't allow it to pass =(

lol.

[GabeS14]

Originally Posted by boosteddet

the sr20 alone will pass N/A but the boost is what doesn't allow it to pass =(

where you trying to say that the fact it has a turbo wont allow it to pass???

wouldnt make sense either

[StaticX27]

Emissions wise, if they were to make emissions standards for a 2L Turbo charged motor, it would not pass those emissions standards. Sure, when you compare a Turbo 2L to an NA 2.4L (KA24DE), the SR20 will have lower emission output, just because of the smaller displacement.

However, we can be shady and just pop the actuator rod off the turbo to pass smog

[vvtisupra]

I didn't want to read through this stuff but i'd rock a bone stock SR if it was legal... still better than a bone stock KA. I'd probably pay a good extra grand to have it Smog Legal.

[cmcdougle]

Originally Posted by StaticX27

Emissions wise, if they were to make emissions standards for a 2L Turbo charged motor, it would not pass those emissions standards. Sure, when you compare a Turbo 2L to an NA 2.4L (KA24DE), the SR20 will have lower emission output, just because of the smaller displacement.

However, we can be shady and just pop the actuator rod off the turbo to pass smog

but to them, it's better, because we went to a lower polluting motor, so we are polluting less, and it hardly costs them anything.

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Anyone else got any numbers? LAST CALL!!!

[Cashizslick]

Originally Posted by S14DB

I would also want to look at exceptions for states that have OBDII emissions. My dad just goes to the inspection station and they plug into the OBDII connector. No codes and he is on his way. You may have a problem with 96+ 204sx.

Yeah true . . . those of us with Redtop SR's in our S14's would still fail even if this thing works.

Here is why:

1.) Older motor than car

2.) Tampering w/OBD systems

-> no way around that.

I guess this deal only applies to Non OBD II cars . . .

[cmcdougle]

Originally Posted by Cashizslick

I guess this deal only applies to Non OBD II cars . . .

Don't say that!!!!

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Cash- I dont know about that, hopefully its not so.
Dougle- wow that little smilie says it all

[Cashizslick]

Originally Posted by tknbkthrsdy4anfg

Cash- I dont know about that, hopefully its not so.

Well . . in the states, it is illegal to put a motor in your car if it is older than the car itself.

Even if a 1993 KA motor passes smog, its illegal to put it into your 1994 240.

Now, ok, it doesnt REALLY matter because the OBD systems are the same, but the problem becomes magnified when you try to put an OBD I motor in an OBD II car.

OBD II was placed on all cars after 1996 as a requirement by the EPA. It is currently illegal to remove or modify this system. *See Bold Print Below*

Originally Posted by EPA

Sec. 203. (a) The following acts and the causing thereof are
prohibited-
(1) in the case of a manufacturer of new motor vehicles or
new motor vehicle engines for distribution in commerce, the
sale, or the offering for sale, or the introduction, or
delivery for introduction, into commerce, or (in the case of
any person, except as provided by regulation of the Adminis-
trator), the importation into the United States, of any new
motor vehicle or new motor vehicle engine, manufactured
after the effective date of regulations under this part
which are applicable to such vehicle or engine unless such
vehicle or engine is covered by a certificate of conformity
issued (and in effect) under regulations prescribed under
this part or part C in the case of clean-fuel vehicles
(except as provided in subsection (b));
(2)(A) for any person to fail or refuse to permit access
to or copying of records or to fail to make reports or
provide information required under section 208;
(B) for any person to fail or refuse to permit entry,
testing or inspection authorized under section 206(c) or
section 208;
(C) for any person to fail or refuse to perform tests, or
have tests performed as required under section 208;
(D) for any manufacturer to fail to make information
available as provided by regulation under section 202(m)(5);
(3)(A) for any person to remove or render inoperative any
device or element of design installed on or in a motor
vehicle or motor vehicle engine in compliance with regula-
tions under this title prior to its sale and delivery to the
ultimate purchaser, or for any person knowingly to remove or
render inoperative any such device or element of design
after such sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser; or
(B) for any person to manufacture or sell, or offer to
sell, or install, any part or component intended for use
with, or as part of, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle
engine, where a principal effect of the part or component is
to bypass, defeat, or render inoperative any device or
element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or
motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under
this title, and where the person knows or should know that
such part or component is being offered for sale or
installed for such use or put to such use;

Here is the link to this text http://www.epa.gov/air/caa/caa203.txt


Basically, the EPA would have to change their standards to allow SR's to be legal in 1996-1998 S14's for the simple fact that installation of an SR20DET will render the OBDII system (placed on the vehicle by the EPA) useless.

[StaticX27]

According to http://www.obdii.com/connector.html, pre-96 240SX's came equip with OBD II as well

S14's in general may be screwed.

[Cashizslick]

Originally Posted by StaticX27

According to http://www.obdii.com/connector.html, pre-96 240SX's came equip with OBD II as well

S14's in general may be screwed.

OBD II emissions testing is not mandatory on pre 1996 cars (in the states that do OBD II testing) . . . thats why i left it out.

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Cash- I think you're right, I hope you're not!

[georgesal]

i would be willing to have my car tested or to do something to help this cause i just got a smog vialation ticket for my sr

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by StaticX27

According to http://www.obdii.com/connector.html, pre-96 240SX's came equip with OBD II as well

S14's in general may be screwed.

He is right and I am surprised you did not know this already(thread starter). If I realized you did not, I would have informed you of that. It basically goes as follows, any engine from a newer model year can be put in with the proper smog equipment. Thats the condensed version. lol
Now yes technically unless you tried to cert a S15 SR or a Neo RB S14 owners are pretty much assed out. As well as the fact that OBDII is much harder to legalize anyways because they plug the ecu directly into the computer and you would need to be OBDII stuff on the engines. Now I have no idea what kind of stuff the Neo RB has or the S15sr has OBDII wise or if even comparable. Though ya S14's are pretty much kinda on the least likely list unfortunately.
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[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Well, I did know that, but wasn't thinking about it, I thought S14 SR's were OBDII

[coreansurfer]

95 s14 is obdI

[S14DB]

OBDII is a US DOT invention. Japan does not have a similar system.

[Cashizslick]

^ werd.

NO SR20DET's in S14's will ever be legal. . .

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Hmm, well thanks for all the more info I'll see what happens. still doesnt rule out S13's

[Cashizslick]

Originally Posted by tknbkthrsdy4anfg

Hmm, well thanks for all the more info I'll see what happens. still doesnt rule out S13's

No prob - trust me, i would LOVE for S14's to be able to pass . .

I have an S14 w/a Redtop.

Best of luck with this search - maybe some day i will be able to have my car registered & insured in the same state I operate it in

[cmcdougle]

Dang, I have an S14 with an RB in it. . . Double negative there.


Can't you build an SR to OBDII specs?

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Dougle, thats what I was wondering, maybe standalone with an OBDII emulator?

[cmcdougle]

Originally Posted by tknbkthrsdy4anfg

Dougle, thats what I was wondering, maybe standalone with an OBDII emulator?

I was thinking of something along those lines. I would be interested in trying to build an ECU or program an ECU (like Megasquirts or something) to OBDII specs. I would imagine that it would need the smog equipment as well.

[S14DB]

Just need something to light up the MIL for 15sec while engine isn't running but ON. and to send the clear codes and ESM info.

Need to find a write up on the OBDII com system.

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Easy, hard and hard.
hmm...

[Emp123]

Originally Posted by tknbkthrsdy4anfg

My bottom line is, is anyone interested in paying around $300-400 to have a certified SR or RB or CA powered 240?

You get this done for $400 and I will suck your dick.