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rex2sx · 03-08-2009, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jspeedm

a straw is straight and does not change diameter and also you're not going to get 100 degrees of temperature change in a straw. so that analogy is pointless.

No you dont get it. Who said anything about temp?? Exhuast deals with flow/velocity. Flow is the speed of air. You flow FASTER with a small straw. With a big straw you can flow MORE air but at a SLOWER rate.

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Originally Posted by jspeedm

that's backpressure.

No its not backprssure. Please tell me houw a free(er)-flowing exhuast causes back pressure. Thats like saying an air pump pushing air into the atomsphere has backpressure, no it doesnt. You cant measure pressure of the air flowing out.

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Originally Posted by jspeedm

the only way for an exhaust pipe to hurt scavenging is by creating backpressure in the manifold or header and shortening the exhaust pulse width. but yes, bend in the pipe do not help.

You tune the exhuast as a WHOLE. So if you have restrive mid pipe,bends/dia. then it will effect how the exhuast gases are pulled out.

jspeedm · 03-08-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rex2sx

No you dont get it. Who said anything about temp?? Exhuast deals with flow/velocity. Flow is the speed of air. You flow FASTER with a small straw. With a big straw you can flow MORE air but at a SLOWER rate.

belive me, i'm the one who gets it. and when you take your first physics class, you will too. and temp is at the heart of the exhaust system. air temp, velocity, density, flow all are directly related. if you change one of them, they all change. the only way for a larger pipe to flow more air is if the source of the flow is also larger.

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Originally Posted by rex2sx

No its not backprssure. Please tell me houw a free(er)-flowing exhuast causes back pressure. Thats like saying an air pump pushing air into the atomsphere has backpressure, no it doesnt. You cant measure pressure of the air flowing out.

your air pump doesn't have to channel more air behind the constantly changing air it already put out in a contained path. once you contain the air flow (as in an exhaust) you can measure the pressure of the air flowing out.

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Originally Posted by rex2sx

You tune the exhuast as a WHOLE. So if you have restrive mid pipe,bends/dia. then it will effect how the exhuast gases are pulled out.

yes and as a whole, i assume you mean from the ex ports back.

rex2sx · 03-09-2009, 08:32 AM

Well it looks like we have come to terms but all im saying is if EGTs did matter, then that would be factored in when creating an exhuast system. But its not, its not as important as the intake becuase your not really using the wasted gases. You want it out of there as fast as it can while style flowing alot of air, whether hot or cold.

jspeedm · 03-09-2009, 09:21 AM

agreed..........

Almedarj · 03-09-2009, 06:37 PM

lol i guess its hard to pick an exhaust i just went wow whats that!!! "thats an Apexi dual n1" and thats what i got that same day lol

jspeedm · 03-20-2009, 03:43 PM

check this out.

YouTube - 1990 240SX SUPERCHARGED KA24E

*kingkilburn* · 03-20-2009, 04:25 PM

That looks and sounds like ass. I hope it performs well.

DeathMetal · 03-20-2009, 05:58 PM

Didn't Shelby say something about horsepower selling cars and torque winning races?

Huh...

xs240 · 03-31-2009, 09:12 AM

Anyways, so I saw this thread. I got a 4-2-1 race header from dcsports and 2.5" exhaust, I was wondering where to get a 2.5" testpipe. I got a high flow cat, but I want to test it out with a testpipe. Suggestions? So much junk on ebay, I don't want to get something that doesn't fit or is rusted when I get it.

Almedarj · 03-31-2009, 06:27 PM

i haven't seen one that i would buy but then i went with a 3in exhaust i tried a buddys car with a 2.5in cat backand you cant tell the difference in terms of performance but the sound is so much better with a 3in

BigVinnie · 03-31-2009, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Almedarj

i'm not finding to much support for the ka i would really apperciate some help.

Your kidding right?

BigVinnie · 03-31-2009, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BoostedCoupe

na ka's are expansive to build and pretty much worthless. just do a stock sr style turbo setup. t25 370cc side mount etc.

Your kidding right?
Stock SR turbo set up? T25 is garbage, HX35 and call it a day, cheaper than a crappy T25.

This whole thread is full of FAIL.

umsports · 03-31-2009, 06:50 PM

If you're wanting to see numbers on KA setups click here

www.ka-t.org :: View Forum - Dyno Results

Both ka-t and n/a. Also my best advice is to avoid zilvia for KA material. I love all zilvians but when it comes to KA's 95% of the members are worthless as was proved again several times in this thread. Granted no one tolerates stupidity to thoroughly search before posting any questions.

BigVinnie · 03-31-2009, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JRas

buddy is making 165whp on his ka..

for the amount of work he's put into it.. not sure if it's really worth it.

talked to him today said he probably put 1k into it :|

Are you talking out your ASS. I'm making 162 to the wheels stock internals and haven't even spent over $1100 yet. From stock thats over 40WHP. You will never find a cheap turbo bolt on application for under a grand and make 40WHP, seriously.

soreballz · 03-31-2009, 07:10 PM

^Dude, learn to use the multi-quote function. Its a wonderful thing.

ikantor · 04-09-2009, 05:50 PM

like umsports said....check out ka-t.org. tons of info!

Almedarj · 04-11-2009, 11:01 PM

i checked out ka-t and plenty of info for me found there thats deffinatly a good place to look but its all about forced induction there. Theres only like a few guys there talking about an NA/KA

2ndcar · 04-13-2009, 01:47 PM

If you want to do a NA/KA build then do it. I'm sticking with the KA for my DD. But it all depends on what you want from YOUR car.

!!chuy!! · 04-13-2009, 04:08 PM

im planning on doing the same thing on my ka,de... get ported/polished, slitely bigger injectors,fuel pump, cams, and slap on a t28 from an Rb25. is there anyone whos done a similar build? and how much power are u seeing?
Or should i save my money and get a sr front clip....?

Almedarj · 04-14-2009, 08:29 PM

don't get an sr i've had too many friends get popped by the police and then sent to the state ref and then they've lost all of that money, if you have a dd and then a fun car do it to the fun car

BigVinnie · 04-14-2009, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Almedarj

don't get an sr i've had too many friends get popped by the police and then sent to the state ref and then they've lost all of that money, if you have a dd and then a fun car do it to the fun car

I've seen more sr valve trains blow up than KA valve trains.. A lot of these guys these days think that you can rev the piss out of the sr. Fact is it's just as revable as the KA. Piston speed on the KA is a little faster on upward momentum, but the bucket hydraulic valve assembly is way more reliable than the sr's valve train.

2tone1via · 09-25-2009, 02:42 AM

Nos! .........

*kingkilburn* · 09-25-2009, 02:46 AM

What the fuck dude.

I was ready for BigV to lay down some KA law and I get

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Nos! .........

Way to go.

BigVinnie · 09-25-2009, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by kingkilburn

What the fuck dude.

I was ready for BigV to lay down some KA law and I get

Way to go.

I know 2tone1via is such a douche. Talks before he thinks, just like 80% of this forum.

hotlavaflow · 09-25-2009, 10:51 AM

KA-T all day. Well over 300hp @ 10psi daily driver. NA is just so much work and money for such little gains on pretty much any motor.

BigVinnie · 09-26-2009, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by hotlavaflow

KA-T all day. Well over 300hp @ 10psi daily driver. NA is just so much work and money for such little gains on pretty much any motor.

Whats your gas mileage like? 12mpg at WOT? That's really efficient.
Just go turbo mad hp with shitty gas mileage loads of fun boys and girls...LOL

hotlavaflow · 09-26-2009, 07:51 AM

Hmmm don't really drive at WOT everywhere I go so my gas mileage is fine. I thought this thread was about performance increase on a KADE motor not gas mileage. And since when is 300hp "mad hp"? I guess I must be in the "dick head" thread I meant to post somewhere else

*kingkilburn* · 09-26-2009, 08:53 AM

I would go KA-T if #1 I didn't live in cali #2 there was a good intake for the KA. The horrible intake seems to take so much to overcome na or forced induction. I guess we will see how good the upper intake is with the recent KA-Rs popping up.

I'm still going V8 at some point down the road.

BigVinnie · 09-26-2009, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by hotlavaflow

Hmmm don't really drive at WOT everywhere I go so my gas mileage is fine. I thought this thread was about performance increase on a KADE motor not gas mileage. And since when is 300hp "mad hp"? I guess I must be in the "dick head" thread I meant to post somewhere else

No reason to be asinine. the thread states ka24de performance. Not ka24de-t performance, no need to be a douche bag and say something stupid like , "oh just slap a turbo on it and make that thing go, get 300HP". That's pretty much what you said in a nut shell.

*kingkilburn* · 09-27-2009, 12:15 AM

Maybe I'll throw an Altima KA in a 2 seater sandrail. Sounds like fun to me.

03-09-2009, 09:21 AM	#64
jspeedm Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SoCal 562 Age: 45 Posts: 1,680 Trader Rating: (26) Feedback Score: 26 reviews	agreed.......... __________________

03-20-2009, 03:43 PM	#66
jspeedm Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SoCal 562 Age: 45 Posts: 1,680 Trader Rating: (26) Feedback Score: 26 reviews	check this out. YouTube - 1990 240SX SUPERCHARGED KA24E __________________

03-20-2009, 04:25 PM	#67
kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,042 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	That looks and sounds like ass. I hope it performs well. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

03-31-2009, 06:50 PM	#73
umsports Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: usa Posts: 1,016 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: umsports Feedback Score: 0 reviews	If you're wanting to see numbers on KA setups click here www.ka-t.org :: View Forum - Dyno Results Both ka-t and n/a. Also my best advice is to avoid zilvia for KA material. I love all zilvians but when it comes to KA's 95% of the members are worthless as was proved again several times in this thread. Granted no one tolerates stupidity to thoroughly search before posting any questions. __________________ 2010 R35 GTR 600whp @21 PSI (E85) 1998 RB26DETT 240SX 810whp@28lbs

09-25-2009, 10:51 AM	#85
hotlavaflow Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: BKLYN NYC Posts: 1,263 Trader Rating: (23) Feedback Score: 23 reviews	KA-T all day. Well over 300hp @ 10psi daily driver. NA is just so much work and money for such little gains on pretty much any motor. __________________

03-09-2009, 08:32 AM	#63
rex2sx Zilvia Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: pennsylvania Age: 33 Posts: 158 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Well it looks like we have come to terms but all im saying is if EGTs did matter, then that would be factored in when creating an exhuast system. But its not, its not as important as the intake becuase your not really using the wasted gases. You want it out of there as fast as it can while style flowing alot of air, whether hot or cold.

03-09-2009, 06:37 PM	#65
Almedarj Leaky Injector Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ca Age: 37 Posts: 55 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Almedarj Feedback Score: 0 reviews	lol i guess its hard to pick an exhaust i just went wow whats that!!! "thats an Apexi dual n1" and thats what i got that same day lol

03-20-2009, 05:58 PM	#68
DeathMetal Zilvia Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: SW Florida Age: 34 Posts: 198 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Didn't Shelby say something about horsepower selling cars and torque winning races? Huh...

03-31-2009, 09:12 AM	#69
xs240 BANNED Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: . Posts: 437 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Anyways, so I saw this thread. I got a 4-2-1 race header from dcsports and 2.5" exhaust, I was wondering where to get a 2.5" testpipe. I got a high flow cat, but I want to test it out with a testpipe. Suggestions? So much junk on ebay, I don't want to get something that doesn't fit or is rusted when I get it.

03-31-2009, 06:27 PM	#70
Almedarj Leaky Injector Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ca Age: 37 Posts: 55 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Almedarj Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i haven't seen one that i would buy but then i went with a 3in exhaust i tried a buddys car with a 2.5in cat backand you cant tell the difference in terms of performance but the sound is so much better with a 3in

04-09-2009, 05:50 PM	#76
ikantor Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 19 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	like umsports said....check out ka-t.org. tons of info!

04-11-2009, 11:01 PM	#77
Almedarj Leaky Injector Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ca Age: 37 Posts: 55 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Almedarj Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i checked out ka-t and plenty of info for me found there thats deffinatly a good place to look but its all about forced induction there. Theres only like a few guys there talking about an NA/KA

04-13-2009, 01:47 PM	#78
2ndcar Leaky Injector Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Waukesha, WI Age: 55 Posts: 53 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	If you want to do a NA/KA build then do it. I'm sticking with the KA for my DD. But it all depends on what you want from YOUR car.

04-13-2009, 04:08 PM	#79
!!chuy!! Leaky Injector Join Date: May 2007 Location: OREGON Age: 35 Posts: 97 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	im planning on doing the same thing on my ka,de... get ported/polished, slitely bigger injectors,fuel pump, cams, and slap on a t28 from an Rb25. is there anyone whos done a similar build? and how much power are u seeing? Or should i save my money and get a sr front clip....?

04-14-2009, 08:29 PM	#80
Almedarj Leaky Injector Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ca Age: 37 Posts: 55 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Almedarj Feedback Score: 0 reviews	don't get an sr i've had too many friends get popped by the police and then sent to the state ref and then they've lost all of that money, if you have a dd and then a fun car do it to the fun car

09-25-2009, 02:42 AM	#82
2tone1via Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: San Diego Age: 36 Posts: 39 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Nos! .........

09-26-2009, 07:51 AM	#87
hotlavaflow Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: BKLYN NYC Posts: 1,263 Trader Rating: (23) Feedback Score: 23 reviews	Hmmm don't really drive at WOT everywhere I go so my gas mileage is fine. I thought this thread was about performance increase on a KADE motor not gas mileage. And since when is 300hp "mad hp"? I guess I must be in the "dick head" thread I meant to post somewhere else __________________

09-26-2009, 08:53 AM	#88
kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,042 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I would go KA-T if #1 I didn't live in cali #2 there was a good intake for the KA. The horrible intake seems to take so much to overcome na or forced induction. I guess we will see how good the upper intake is with the recent KA-Rs popping up. I'm still going V8 at some point down the road. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

09-27-2009, 12:15 AM	#90
kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,042 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Maybe I'll throw an Altima KA in a 2 seater sandrail. Sounds like fun to me. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C