Viper 5901 into s14. Help needed.

[Broadfield]

Originally Posted by oung

ok...so update i relocated the shock sensor and now im good to go on the shock sensor error.....now its just the blinking lights...lol

Originally Posted by oung

and i do still get that sensor 2 error on my remote fob but at certain times when im pressing the lock/unlock consistantly

Wait, you have an outboard shock sensor? It's built into the 5901 internally!?!

Originally Posted by oung

but yeah still wanna know how to program the ignition lock so my locks automatically lock after i start my car....

Do you not have the installation manual? If not, you can simply get it off Viper's website... which is a lot easier than me sitting here trying to tell you how to program it.

[Mishkin_707]

I had a question regarding my 2 way 479vx remote, mine is pretty messed up, the LCD screen is broken, before I just buy a new remote is there any other 2way LCD I can program to it? Like maybe the newer LCD remote, I know my viper 791vx is older than time but the price for a new 479vx remote is kinda expensive and for that price I can eBay a whole viper alarm for a few bucks more

[Broadfield]

Originally Posted by Mishkin_707

I had a question regarding my 2 way 479vx remote, mine is pretty messed up, the LCD screen is broken, before I just buy a new remote is there any other 2way LCD I can program to it? Like maybe the newer LCD remote, I know my viper 791vx is older than time but the price for a new 479vx remote is kinda expensive and for that price I can eBay a whole viper alarm for a few bucks more

No, a new remote cannot be programmed to an older system. They are completely different platforms.

[Mishkin_707]

Thanks for clearing that up, I was looking online and I may just pick up the viper that I can use my iPhone with

[Broadfield]

Originally Posted by Mishkin_707

Thanks for clearing that up, I was looking online and I may just pick up the viper that I can use my iPhone with

You do realize I sell that on here!?! I'm sure I can match the price if necessary.

[mikeroy420]

Originally Posted by Mishkin_707

Thanks for clearing that up, I was looking online and I may just pick up the viper that I can use my iPhone with

Buy from Toby, do it.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Well I installed the brain in today but I still need to put in the peripherals like the back up battery, tilt sensor, mic and interior sensor.

I havent messed around with it other than to try it out. The alarm arms and disarms fine. But I got some issues. Power door locks arent opening/closing with the alarm. I wired up the 3 pin connector and tapped blue to brown and green to light green on the ATM. Even when I try to turn the door lock on/off, its working intermittently.

Remote start isnt working (gave me an error), figured I have to set it up first.

[_kris]

Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

Remote start isnt working (gave me an error), figured I have to set it up first.

you gotta program your tach into the module first.

after that, if everything is hooked up properly, you have to set your e-brake up, press the remote start button (if not remote start, i think it's the lock button) on the remote, take the key out of the ignition, get out of the car, and then lock it.

then you can remote start it =D

[fliprayzin240sx]

Originally Posted by _kris

you gotta program your tach into the module first.

after that, if everything is hooked up properly, you have to set your e-brake up, press the remote start button (if not remote start, i think it's the lock button) on the remote, take the key out of the ignition, get out of the car, and then lock it.

then you can remote start it =D

Well, I cut a corner that I know now I screwed up on. I hooked up the H2 Black/White wire before the E-brake switch so it's seeing (+) instead of (-), figured I'd need to hook it up after the switch so its grounded.

Also I gotta double check how I wired up the H2 Brown wire for the Brake Shutdown. When I was testing the remote start, it was giving me 5 flashes, pointing that the brake wire is active. I tested it, pressing the brakes and it gave me 7 flashes, stating that I have not initialized the MT Mode. I'm guessing I tapped the wrong wire on this one too, just like above.

Then I still gotta figure out why my parking lights doesnt blink with the chirp. I jumped the fuse inside the module to (+), I jumped the inside, not the outside 2.

Lastly, I still got my power door lock issue. No clue why its not working, tapped the 3 pin door lock connector. Blue to unlock the Brown wire and Green to lock the Lt Green/White wires at the SECU. Just to make sure, I just tap them and not cut them off correct?

I'm attempting to follow the Installation Points in the quick guide. I've learned the Tach (LED turned constant) and thats about it. Nothing else seems to work. Tried to do a Shutdown Diagnostic, nothing. Clicked on remote start and I get the MT mode not initialized (7 beeps/flashes). Can't do the MT mode initialized (turn the engine on, set the e-brake up, pressed and released the brake, pressed any button on the remote...nothing). Tried going into Programming to set the Menu 3, Item 8, Opt 2...can't even do that. Opened the door, turn the ign on/off, pressed/hold Control Button...nothing beeped.

Needless to say, this thread is gonna be popping for a while till I work my issues out.

[Broadfield]

Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

Well, I cut a corner that I know now I screwed up on. I hooked up the H2 Black/White wire before the E-brake switch so it's seeing (+) instead of (-), figured I'd need to hook it up after the switch so its grounded.

Also I gotta double check how I wired up the H2 Brown wire for the Brake Shutdown. When I was testing the remote start, it was giving me 5 flashes, pointing that the brake wire is active. I tested it, pressing the brakes and it gave me 7 flashes, stating that I have not initialized the MT Mode. I'm guessing I tapped the wrong wire on this one too, just like above.

Then I still gotta figure out why my parking lights doesnt blink with the chirp. I jumped the fuse inside the module to (+), I jumped the inside, not the outside 2.

Lastly, I still got my power door lock issue. No clue why its not working, tapped the 3 pin door lock connector. Blue to unlock the Brown wire and Green to lock the Lt Green/White wires at the SECU. Just to make sure, I just tap them and not cut them off correct?

I'm attempting to follow the Installation Points in the quick guide. I've learned the Tach (LED turned constant) and thats about it. Nothing else seems to work. Tried to do a Shutdown Diagnostic, nothing. Clicked on remote start and I get the MT mode not initialized (7 beeps/flashes). Can't do the MT mode initialized (turn the engine on, set the e-brake up, pressed and released the brake, pressed any button on the remote...nothing). Tried going into Programming to set the Menu 3, Item 8, Opt 2...can't even do that. Opened the door, turn the ign on/off, pressed/hold Control Button...nothing beeped.

Needless to say, this thread is gonna be popping for a while till I work my issues out.

A few things to check:

• Is your door trigger sending signal to the Viper when the door is open? You can not program the system or remote start it in manual trans mode if the Viper does not see this signal. Test the green wire at the brain and make sure you have a negative signal when you release the door pin... obviously the other door needs to be closed.
• Are you doing the correct remote start procedure? With car running and in neutral: foot on the foot brake, e-brake on-off-on, release foot brake, remote start vehicle, turn key off(vehicle should stay running at this point), open door, close door and then press lock on the Viper remote. If done correctly, then the engine will shut off when you lock it. Of course you said your e-brake input is wired incorrectly and your brake might wired incorrectly... so the remote start will absolutely do noting if you have these wrong.
• As for the door locks, did you test the lock wires in the car to confirm they are what you think they are? Each wire will go to negative when you hit the related button. If the wires go to negative when you hit the lock/unlock switch then you have the correct wires... so you can rule that out. You may have a bad brain or some other issue.

Get the e-brake and foot brake wires straightened out then we'll go from there.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Well worked some of the wiring out but I'm stomped on the door locks. I double checked the wires and I'm sure it's the right wires. They both have power and gets interrupted when they are switched. The issue is when the plug the 3 pin back into the brain, it's grounding out the unlock. You can hear the stock relay click. I'd lock the doors, the plug the 3 pin in and the doors would unlock, and the signal just stays on. Think it's a bad brain?

Anyways I've managed to get it to remote start ready. It just won't restart. I'll double check the wiring and post up how I wired the spdt.

[Broadfield]

Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

Well worked some of the wiring out but I'm stomped on the door locks. I double checked the wires and I'm sure it's the right wires. They both have power and gets interrupted when they are switched. The issue is when the plug the 3 pin back into the brain, it's grounding out the unlock. You can hear the stock relay click. I'd lick the doors, the plug the 3 pin in and the door would unlock, and the signal just stays on. Think it's a bad brain?

Anyways I've managed to get it to remote start ready. It just won't restart. I'll double check the wiring and post up how I wired the spdt.

For the door locks, unplug the 3 pin from the Viper and simply touch ground for a second to the green wire... it should lock the doors. Then touch ground for a second to the blue wire... it should unlock the doors. If this works, then you most likely have a bad brain. I NEVER see this at work though... installing 500/year. And I have already had 3 people this year with this problem that installed their own system. So I'm not sure if they/you are doing something wrong where it burns up the outputs or what!?! I assume you have a really good ground on the black wire of the Viper?

As for the remote start, did you wire every single wire EXACTLY as described below and set the flex relay as described below?

H3 Remote Start Harness

H3/1 Pink (+) Ignition 1 input/output --> to white, ignition harness car side BLACK/RED at ignition harness
H3/2 Red/White (87) Flex Relay input (30A Fused) --> not used WHITE at ignition harness (the one that test as 12volt constant)
H3/3 Orange (+) Accessory output --> not used??? CORRECT
H3/4 Violet (+) Starter output car side --> to black/yellow, ignition harness car side CORRECT
H3/5 Green (+) Starter input key side --> to black/yellow, ignition harness key side CORRECT
H3/6 Red Ignition 1 input (30A fused) --> to white, ignition harness key side WHITE at ignition harness (the one that test as 12volt constant)
H3/7 Pink/White (30) Flex Relay output --> ????? Cut the non constant 12v WHITE wire at ignition harness, this goes to NON key side
H3/8 Pink/black (87a) Flex relay input --> ????? Cut the non constant 12v WHITE wire at ignition harness, this goes to key side
H3/9 Red/black accessory/starter relay input (30A fused) --> ????? WHITE at ignition harness (the one that test as 12volt constant)

NOTE: You must set Menu 3, item 8 to option 2. This will set the Flex Relay for Accessory2

[fliprayzin240sx]

Originally Posted by Broadfield

For the door locks, unplug the 3 pin from the Viper and simply touch ground for a second to the green wire... it should lock the doors. Then touch ground for a second to the blue wire... it should unlock the doors. If this works, then you most likely have a bad brain. I NEVER see this at work though... installing 500/year. And I have already had 3 people this year with this problem that installed their own system. So I'm not sure if they/you are doing something wrong where it burns up the outputs or what!?! I assume you have a really good ground on the black wire of the Viper?

As for the remote start, did you wire every single wire EXACTLY as described below and set the flex relay as described below?

H3 Remote Start Harness

H3/1 Pink (+) Ignition 1 input/output --> to white, ignition harness car side BLACK/RED at ignition harness
H3/2 Red/White (87) Flex Relay input (30A Fused) --> not used WHITE at ignition harness (the one that test as 12volt constant)
H3/3 Orange (+) Accessory output --> not used??? CORRECT
H3/4 Violet (+) Starter output car side --> to black/yellow, ignition harness car side CORRECT, but will also jump to the BLACK/WHITE at ignition harness
H3/5 Green (+) Starter input key side --> to black/yellow, ignition harness key side CORRECT
H3/6 Red Ignition 1 input (30A fused) --> to white, ignition harness key side WHITE at ignition harness (the one that test as 12volt constant)
H3/7 Pink/White (30) Flex Relay output --> ????? Cut the non constant 12v WHITE wire at ignition harness, this goes to NON key side
H3/8 Pink/black (87a) Flex relay input --> ????? Cut the non constant 12v WHITE wire at ignition harness, this goes to key side
H3/9 Red/black accessory/starter relay input (30A fused) --> ????? WHITE at ignition harness (the one that test as 12volt constant)

NOTE: You must set Menu 3, item 8 to option 2. This will set the Flex Relay for Accessory2

For the ground, I did what was recommended in Cause For Alarm, got a ring terminal and bolted it into the dash bar. I'll try to move it but I doubt it would make a difference.

As far as the wiring, double checked everything and wires are wired as noted. The only question I got, just to make sure, is the Violet H3 Wire: I cut the Black/Yellow wire in half, and soldered that wire to the car side like noted. But you said "But will also jump to the Black/White at IGN Harness", do I have to do anything else with that wire other than making the SPDT relay?

Mike sent me info and I followed what he said as far as the relay:
pin 85- you solder the purple wire h2/13.
pin 86- take a 14 to 18 gauge wire and solder to relay socket wire pin 86 or use the socket wire, if its long enough. the other end of this wire will connect to relay socket pin 87 and the 8 to 10 gauge connection point.
pin 87- solder a peice of 8 or 10 gauge wire to realy socket pin 87. dont forget to solder in the jumper wire from pin 86. the end of the 8 or 10 gauge wire is soldered to the white ignition harness
pin 30- 8 to 10 gauge wire from relay socket pin 30 to black/white in the ignition harness



So like above, purple wire from the H2 harness into 85, jumpered 86 to 87, 87 tapped off the hot 12v, 30 tapped to Black/White.

One thing I learned after this shit, I need to invest on a better multimeter. I should have borrowed one from work like I used to, no clue why I didnt before I did this shit.

[Broadfield]

Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

But you said "But will also jump to the Black/White at IGN Harness", do I have to do anything else with that wire other than making the SPDT relay?

Sorry, I forgot to remove that part when I made the edit about adding the relay. Do not jump to the black/white wire. That was only a "poor" man's way of doing it. But come to find out it makes the starter kill feature not work correctly. So I changed the write-up to reflect using a relay instead. Also, never solder to a relay. Too much heat on the pin can affect the inner workings

As for your ground, where you have it is fine!

[fliprayzin240sx]

Well Toby, I owe a fucking beer...there's nothing wrong with the brain. Its all installer error. Take note of this because its pretty funny, well retarded on my part more than anything. Reason why the damn door lock is fucking up is cuz I kept plugging the damn 3 pin wire into the WRONG DAMN PORT!!! I swear, the crease on the manual made me think I'm supposed to be plugging it into the the first port on the left (bit writer port). I had to look at the manual on the one you just sent me to realize that cuz my manual right now has a lot of smidges on it.

I got it to remote start but I had to depress the clutch pedal. Do I just have to hard wire the clutch interlock wire together? Also, still working on figuring out why the damn parking lights are not blinking when with the alarm/beeps.

[Broadfield]

Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

Well Toby, I owe a fucking beer...there's nothing wrong with the brain. Its all installer error. Take note of this because its pretty funny, well retarded on my part more than anything. Reason why the damn door lock is fucking up is cuz I kept plugging the damn 3 pin wire into the WRONG DAMN PORT!!! I swear, the crease on the manual made me think I'm supposed to be plugging it into the the first port on the left (bit writer port). I had to look at the manual on the one you just sent me to realize that cuz my manual right now has a lot of smidges on it.

I got it to remote start but I had to depress the clutch pedal. Do I just have to hard wire the clutch interlock wire together? Also, still working on figuring out why the damn parking lights are not blinking when with the alarm/beeps.

Yeah man, it's almost always installer error. I figured as much, but it was just as easy to send you a new system to prove that it wasn't the brain. As for the parking lights, did you insert the fuse under the access panel? It needs to be set for the correct polarity. You will need to bypass the clutch during remote start. I've never even installed a remote start on a 240, so I'm not sure how the clutch even tests. So get under there with a test probe, multi-meter whatever you have and test the two wires in the clutch plug. One will probably rest at ground and the other one will go to ground when you depress the clutch. If this is the case then you can run the dark blue wire, pin 10 in the H2 harness, to the wire on the clutch switch that goes to ground when the clutch is depressed. If this still doesn't work then you will probably need a relay to get a stronger ground. In this case I would have you wire the relay as follows:

• 85 - dark blue wire(H2/10)
• 86 - 12 volts constant
• 87 - Tap into the wire that rests at ground at the clutch switch
• 30 - Tap into the wire that goes to ground at the clutch switch when the clutch is depressed

Let me know if the clutch doesn't test as a negative trigger and I'll instruct you on what to do.

[fliprayzin240sx]

My bad, I'll send you the brain and lemme know how much for the troubles for sending me another one. Figured atleast let you recoup the shipping fees getting it from somebody else, then sending it to me.

H1/11 White Parking Light output--> to red/blue ING harness CORRECT (set fuse for "+" under door on module)

As far as that wire, I got the fuse set at + and tapped at the IGN harness. But at Stealth Car, they're tapping the red/blue wire at the ATM, should I tap it there to see if it fixes the issue? Actually, am I tapping right into the IGN harness (thick wires) or am I looking for a smaller red/blue wire coming from one of the other plugs from the turn signal stalks?

For the clutch interlock, I might just hardwire it. Doesnt really do much, plus I got a hidden switch tied into it so the car wont start without flipping the switch.

[Broadfield]

Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

My bad, I'll send you the brain and lemme know how much for the troubles for sending me another one. Figured atleast let you recoup the shipping fees getting it from somebody else, then sending it to me.

H1/11 White Parking Light output--> to red/blue ING harness CORRECT (set fuse for "+" under door on module)

As far as that wire, I got the fuse set at + and tapped at the IGN harness. But at Stealth Car, they're tapping the red/blue wire at the ATM, should I tap it there to see if it fixes the issue? Actually, am I tapping right into the IGN harness (thick wires) or am I looking for a smaller red/blue wire coming from one of the other plugs from the turn signal stalks?

It sounds like you are tapped into the passenger side headlight wire... it's also a red/blue in the ignition harness. Remember: ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS test the wires before you just go tapping into them assuming it's the correct wire. This is how things get burnt up! You are lucky that you are probably just flashing the headlight when you arm and disarm the system. Simply use a test light or multi-meter... preferably a meter, and probe the red/blue wire that you think is it and see if it goes to 12 volts when you turn the parking light switch on. If it does then that is the wire.DONE! The red/blue headlight wire will only go to 12 volts when you turn the switch all the way to the headlights position.

[turboconchs]

Hey guys I have a small problem with the H3 harness:
H3 Remote Start Harness

H3/1 Pink (+) Ignition 1 input/output --> to white, ignition harness car side BLACK/RED at ignition harness
H3/2 Red/White (87) Flex Relay input (30A Fused) --> not used WHITE at ignition harness (the one that test as 12volt constant)
H3/3 Orange (+) Accessory output --> not used??? CORRECT
H3/4 Violet (+) Starter output car side --> to black/yellow, ignition harness car side CORRECT
H3/5 Green (+) Starter input key side --> to black/yellow, ignition harness key side CORRECT
H3/6 Red Ignition 1 input (30A fused) --> to white, ignition harness key side WHITE at ignition harness (the one that test as 12volt constant)
H3/7 Pink/White (30) Flex Relay output --> ????? Cut the non constant 12v WHITE wire at ignition harness, this goes to NON key side
H3/8 Pink/black (87a) Flex relay input --> ????? Cut the non constant 12v WHITE wire at ignition harness, this goes to key side
H3/9 Red/black accessory/starter relay input (30A fused) --> ????? WHITE at ignition harness (the one that test as 12volt constant)

NOTE: You must set Menu 3, item 8 to option 2. This will set the Flex Relay for Accessory2

I tried following this but I am not sure which ones from my car's harness I have to cut. I understand all the heavy red striped or not goes to 12V constant. So for example, the H3/1 Pink (+) Ignition 1 input/output and H3/6 Red Ignition 1 input (30A fused). Do I need to cut my ignition wire in half and connect the pink to the non-key cylinder side and the Red to the key cylinder side? And the same goes for the starter connection? Do I need a relay for my remote start to work? Any help will be appreciated. Thanks.

[aajunglegeorge]

looking for help with a vipor alarm 5901 in a 1997 astro van, I know its not a 240Z, everything is working except the remote start, i get the fuel pump and ignition but it will not send power to the starter? any help would be Appreciated.