Donald Trump For President

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by justinbyrant

they cant look outside our own borders because we have been conditioned not to, big business and our government has such a hold on our day to day lives and activities that they control everything, the government is paid by businesses to protect their interests, socialism is about the worst thing for big business so as such we have been conditioned to believe socialism is evil, its not, I apologize in advance for the book I have written you all but here it is

just to start lets pick one country out of the mix of evil democratic socialist states and lets look at some figures shall we

Denmark is a good one ya?
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You are an idiot.

If you want to raise Income per Capital and make everything wonderful...

Just get rid of all the underperforming minorities, because that's pretty much what all the Scandinavian countries are.

I lived in Norway for 5 years. It's 4 million middle class white people with liked 5,000 cute colored people living off a massive oil reserve being pumped out by the Government.

You could easily say the same thing about any American micro-group, either affluent city or state and go "why can't all America be like like Granger Indiana with an average income of $80k a year, no crime, great schools, big houses and cheap taxes?"

Europe = The US

You have areas/cities/states/countries that are rich and affluent, and then you have places that suck ass.

So while Granger and Denmark may seem like Utopian places, Gary, IN and the Ukraine are God damn shit holes.

[justinbyrant]

Originally Posted by Corbic

You are an idiot.

If you want to raise Income per Capital and make everything wonderful...

Just get rid of all the underperforming minorities, because that's pretty much what all the Scandinavian countries are.

I lived in Norway for 5 years. It's 4 million middle class white people with liked 5,000 cute colored people living off a massive oil reserve being pumped out by the Government.

You could easily say the same thing about any American micro-group, either affluent city or state and go "why can't all America be like like Granger Indiana with an average income of $80k a year, no crime, great schools, big houses and cheap taxes?"

Europe = The US

You have areas/cities/states/countries that are rich and affluent, and then you have places that suck ass.

So while Granger and Denmark may seem like Utopian places, Gary, IN and the Ukraine are God damn shit holes.

the minorities wouldn't be underperforming if we didn't glorify the false ideal of the American dream, 320 million people in America not even 10% of those could live up to the American dream not because its unobtainable but because if 10% of the us population stopped working minimum wage jobs and started inventing or developing things to get rich, this country would break the speed of light in its plummet, service industries are a crucial part of any society and telling people who are a crucial part of a society that they aren't allowed to have basic things like health care because we refuse to pay them enough to afford it is the problem in this country.

the dream is a delusion meant to make people work harder in the false belief that they are working for something, but instead we could actually work towards something obtainable, an America that actually is great again, trump will not make America great again, he cant, no one man, can, 1,000 men can no 1,000,000 men can, it will take 320 million men and women to make America great again but that wont ever happen so long as we glorify people like trump because 320 million Americans working together to create a better life for all 320 million is socialism and our government wont have it and has refused to even allow that possibility for decades, as such the people have been conditioned to selfishness and refuse to consider selflessness for the betterment of themselves and the people around them

and of coarse the Ukraine is a god damn shit hole, just like Sweden will be in about 15 years, socialism doesn't do away with competition, Sweden cant compete with the countries around it which is why its economy has started to fail just like the Ukraine did, in a decade or 2 both will bounce back as a economy in a downturn presents unique opportunities for business and and individuals who can and will eventually improve the economys, its a roller coaster, every country has them and almost every country bounces back, its the countries like America that have grown to big for sustainability that fail when a large drop happens

[KiLLeR2001]

Originally Posted by justinbyrant

the minorities wouldn't be underperforming if we didn't glorify the false ideal of the American dream, 320 million people in America not even 10% of those could live up to the American dream not because its unobtainable but because if 10% of the us population stopped working minimum wage jobs and started inventing or developing things to get rich, this country would break the speed of light in its plummet, service industries are a crucial part of any society and telling people who are a crucial part of a society that they aren't allowed to have basic things like health care because we refuse to pay them enough to afford it is the problem in this country.

the dream is a delusion meant to make people work harder in the false belief that they are working for something, but instead we could actually work towards something obtainable, an America that actually is great again, trump will not make America great again, he cant, no one man, can, 1,000 men can no 1,000,000 men can, it will take 320 million men and women to make America great again but that wont ever happen so long as we glorify people like trump because 320 million Americans working together to create a better life for all 320 million is socialism and our government wont have it and has refused to even allow that possibility for decades, as such the people have been conditioned to selfishness and refuse to consider selflessness for the betterment of themselves and the people around them

and of coarse the Ukraine is a god damn shit hole, just like Sweden will be in about 15 years, socialism doesn't do away with competition, Sweden cant compete with the countries around it which is why its economy has started to fail just like the Ukraine did, in a decade or 2 both will bounce back as a economy in a downturn presents unique opportunities for business and and individuals who can and will eventually improve the economys, its a roller coaster, every country has them and almost every country bounces back, its the countries like America that have grown to big for sustainability that fail when a large drop happens

http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=632766

Originally Posted by justinbyrant

did I just find a place I can troll unconditionally? this is not good, I may lose my job over this

[justinbyrant]

we don't need to get rid of minorities we don't even need to pay people more we just need to give them more for what it taken, even when I was making $15 an hour I still felt like shit day in and day out because you still feel like you aren't making dick, American corporations are out of hand, there are no more alternatives anymore, there isn't an alternative to a $200 a month phone plan anymore, there isn't an alternative to Comcast, you cant have internet access without paying for cable, everything we own or buy is so god damn expensive because corporations force prices up to make more profit, take this for example oil was $30ish a barrel in 2001 and the national gas price average was less than $1.50 a gallon, which when accounting for inflation is about $2 a gallon, then prices went through the roof, a barrel of oil was up around $140 for a time then there was fluctuation, things evened out, more spikes, more fluctuation, and now the price of a barrel has remained fairly low, under $50 a barrel sometimes under $30 a barrel for over a year (haven't checked in a few months so idk what it is now) but yet gas is still almost $3 a gallon, how does that work you wonder? greed that's how, big businesses use price increases to create excess profit, when a crude material price goes from $1 to $2 a unit the company will increase finished product prices from $10 a unit to $25 a unit then once crude prices drop back down to $1 a unit that company will keep that extra $5 so prices of materials go from $1 to $2 and back to $1 but finished product prices go from $10 to $25 then to $15 so the company pays the same to build a product but makes an extra $5 off it which under decent circumstances is fine but that's a small example, usually these increases aren't $5 they are a lot more or they are $5 across an entire companies inventory so a grocery trip where you would normally spend $150 your now spending $200 for no other reason than corporate greed, socialism eliminates that, it allows for a competitive market, if places like walmart actually had to compete fairly with local businesses, they would lose every time, idk how many of you live in Oregon but all you have to do is look at dari marts, dari mart is a local mini mart business to central Oregon, they single handedly pushed 7-11s out of a 200+ mile radius, their whole policy is farm to table, if milk cant reach a store in one day or less from their farm its to far away and they wont open a store there, 7-11 never stood a chance there are 100 stores in a 200ish mile radius and they consistently maintain the lowest prices, just imagine if that kind of thing were allowed all over the country in all brances of the service industry

[justinbyrant]

Originally Posted by KiLLeR2001

http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=632766

nice try but I only troll on topics I don't give a shit about

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by justinbyrant

you also forgot to tell your kid about all the things he would get for that one measly worm, you forgot to tell him that he would need less worms to live the same in the future, and that he would be able to see the doctor and go to school, and all the other super nice awesome things he could get for that one worm

He's 6. I'll get there.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by Corbic

You are an idiot.

If you want to raise Income per Capital and make everything wonderful...

Just get rid of all the underperforming minorities, because that's pretty much what all the Scandinavian countries are.

I lived in Norway for 5 years. It's 4 million middle class white people with liked 5,000 cute colored people living off a massive oil reserve being pumped out by the Government.

You could easily say the same thing about any American micro-group, either affluent city or state and go "why can't all America be like like Granger Indiana with an average income of $80k a year, no crime, great schools, big houses and cheap taxes?"

Europe = The US

You have areas/cities/states/countries that are rich and affluent, and then you have places that suck ass.

So while Granger and Denmark may seem like Utopian places, Gary, IN and the Ukraine are God damn shit holes.

This is when I wish we still had the rep system around here. Thumbs up.

[justinbyrant]

another fun example of American corporation greed

do some research on phone companies, at&t, Verizon, century link and all of their subsidiaries are all owned by the bell corporation which split into the "the 7 baby bells" (all still owned by the same people and the profits go to the same place) in 1984 after a court ruling against monopolies however at&t Verizon and century link absorbed the other 4 in the following years, these 3 companies also bought our of founded multiple other massive monopoly companies such as Comcast, basically every thing in the world that has to do with telephones of any kind, land lines, cell phones, internet, atms, card machines, all controlled and owned by what was originally the bell corp, the only company not outright owned is sprint, but most of its stock is owned by the bell corp in one form or another, the existence of sprint serves one purpose, to comply with any monopoly laws, that's it, now the kicker, all these companies are owned by the same corporation so why are they competing against each other? to drive prices up based on nothing, sole purpose, its amazing the things you find when you look.

now the kicker, most of the rest of the world has much better options, they are fewer, smaller, and cheaper, because???????? you guessed it, socialism, massive corporation style companies that are forced to compete fairly with other local smaller companies lose every single time, without our government protecting massive businesses they wouldn't exist, at least not on the level they are on, attempts are made every year to start phone companies, internet providers, cable providers, all kinds of services, they last a few months tops before a major corp notices and shuts them down

[zombiewolf513]

Originally Posted by simmode1

I would, a democratic socialist anyways... I like the social programs we currently have in place & I think a few more are in order.

I prefer the country to not rely on the government as a crutch for American well being.

[justinbyrant]

Originally Posted by zombiewolf513

I prefer the country to not rely on the government as a crutch for American well being.

the country currently relies on the government as a crutch, without free trade agreements and trade acts the majority of American businesses would fail, those agreements keep places like walmart in power, places like walmart keep money flowing into political places which allows them to do whatever they want like keeping minimum wage down, preventing the government from forcing major businesses from providing health care and any of the multitude of things they should be doing, as such we rely on those places which rely on the government the system is so fucked up and literally no one understands it and its driving us into the ground, this country is FAILING it has been for almost 2 decades, we are going downhill fast and we keep hitting the gas, there is no ramp at the bottom, we aren't gonna fly to the top of the next hill, we are almost vertical now, falling and we will hit the bottom and stop because everyone thinks its ok for a company like walmart to make 100 billion + a YEAR then ask for tax breaks and everyone just says "oh well they worked for that money hur de dur" 95% of the people in this country will sit back and ignore it all till its to late and we have hit bottom then wonder how WE let this happen

[justinbyrant]

im generally a very calm person, I keep my cool in pretty much every situation I have ever been in, I worked very hard to be a level headed member of society so try to understand, this post gives me anxiety, its a foreign feeling but I cant understand how so many americans think its ok for all this to be happening, how can so many of you look at facts and not see a problem?

[zombiewolf513]

Originally Posted by justinbyrant

the country currently relies on the government as a crutch, without free trade agreements and trade acts the majority of American businesses would fail, those agreements keep places like walmart in power, places like walmart keep money flowing into political places which allows them to do whatever they want like keeping minimum wage down, preventing the government from forcing major businesses from providing health care and any of the multitude of things they should be doing, as such we rely on those places which rely on the government the system is so fucked up and literally no one understands it and its driving us into the ground, this country is FAILING it has been for almost 2 decades, we are going downhill fast and we keep hitting the gas, there is no ramp at the bottom, we aren't gonna fly to the top of the next hill, we are almost vertical now, falling and we will hit the bottom and stop because everyone thinks its ok for a company like walmart to make 100 billion + a YEAR then ask for tax breaks and everyone just says "oh well they worked for that money hur de dur" 95% of the people in this country will sit back and ignore it all till its to late and we have hit bottom then wonder how WE let this happen

Having a broken, slow and incompetent government intervene more won't make things better. Government restriction and taking from industries/companies is only going to worsen things for the Americans relying on them for a paycheck.

[justinbyrant]

Originally Posted by zombiewolf513

Having a broken, slow and incompetent government intervene more won't make things better. Government restriction and taking from industries/companies is only going to worsen things for the Americans relying on them for a paycheck.

Thats why a move towards socialism must be made historically socialist movements have been initiated with a goverment overthrow, we need to stand up and say enough the entire system needs scraped, everyone in office needs thrown out and replaced, the whole system needs wiped clean and replaced, i would say at least 90% of americans dont have the stomach for that though

[zombiewolf513]

so vote donald trump

[kashira kureijii]

Originally Posted by justinbyrant

you also forgot to tell your kid about all the things he would get for that one measly worm, you forgot to tell him that he would need less worms to live the same in the future, and that he would be able to see the doctor and go to school, and all the other super nice awesome things he could get for that one worm

parasite, instead of thinking some deus ex machina (political party) is gonna save you from all that shit, why not be the one who takes or earns. You're the type of person who blames all the world's problems on the "system", when the problem is you . this is egalitarian bullshit
there will always be a controlling entity, even if government or corporations didn't exist, greater power would still exist in a solar flare or the black hole that will eventually consume the entire universe,etc. Without ambition you are nothing, you will fade, just like all other things on this planet.

spoken like a true hipster from Oregon fam

Without Pain, Without suffering, we would have nothing.
To each according to his own merits.
Without rich, poor cannot exist and vice versa. there must always be opposites.
Your entire existence is to make a mark on history, to do something important or be something useful, not wish all man were equal in his inability


I feel like if we got rid of Human welfare/Social security, we would save about 1 trillion of the national budget with which to pay off the national debt. So in about 15 years we would be debt free again.

[zombiewolf513]

I really cant get onboard with the idea that people dont need to be fully responsible for themselves, and that the government should have to make up the difference.

[feito]

The hell with socialism. No reason in this country to be extremely poor, not in this country where there are job opportunities even for the disabled. Those who are extremely poor is because of their poor decisions. I myself am not extremely poor, but I might be right there in lower working class, but I know why, and do not expect anything for free, and I know the opportunities are out there. Then FBHO comes and takes a good chunk of my money at the end of the year for no good reason.
Though it is a shame these two are our only two options, because our system is broken and I honestly dont think either one will do anything about it. Hillary however, shouldnt even be legally illegible to run for president, so that leaves us with only one option. We're fucked...

[STR8 H8N]

Originally Posted by justinbyrant

china has grown to one of the strongest economies in the world under socialism, the social rights issues and human rights issues in china have absolutely nothing to do with the socialist process, it has to do with Marxism and power plays

[dudermagee]

Originally Posted by justinbyrant

another fun example of American corporation greed

do some research on phone companies, at&t, Verizon, century link and all of their subsidiaries are all owned by the bell corporation which split into the "the 7 baby bells" (all still owned by the same people and the profits go to the same place) in 1984 after a court ruling against monopolies however at&t Verizon and century link absorbed the other 4 in the following years, these 3 companies also bought our of founded multiple other massive monopoly companies such as Comcast, basically every thing in the world that has to do with telephones of any kind, land lines, cell phones, internet, atms, card machines, all controlled and owned by what was originally the bell corp, the only company not outright owned is sprint, but most of its stock is owned by the bell corp in one form or another, the existence of sprint serves one purpose, to comply with any monopoly laws, that's it, now the kicker, all these companies are owned by the same corporation so why are they competing against each other? to drive prices up based on nothing, sole purpose, its amazing the things you find when you look.

now the kicker, most of the rest of the world has much better options, they are fewer, smaller, and cheaper, because???????? you guessed it, socialism, massive corporation style companies that are forced to compete fairly with other local smaller companies lose every single time, without our government protecting massive businesses they wouldn't exist, at least not on the level they are on, attempts are made every year to start phone companies, internet providers, cable providers, all kinds of services, they last a few months tops before a major corp notices and shuts them down

Complains about companies having a monopoly, wants government to have monopoly instead.

[justinbyrant]

why are all of you people under the impression that the current governmental system would remain in place? multiple times in this thread there have been mentions of giving the government all the power, the point is to take the power from the government, use them as a medium and to pass laws that actually help people instead of stripping rights the ONLY way to do that at this point is to scrap the whole system and start over new, even if we kept the actual system in place and removed every single person right down to mayors of individual towns and replaced them all there would still be problems but not as bad as what we are heading towards

[justinbyrant]

Originally Posted by kashira kureijii

parasite, instead of thinking some deus ex machina (political party) is gonna save you from all that shit, why not be the one who takes or earns. You're the type of person who blames all the world's problems on the "system", when the problem is you . this is egalitarian bullshit
there will always be a controlling entity, even if government or corporations didn't exist, greater power would still exist in a solar flare or the black hole that will eventually consume the entire universe,etc. Without ambition you are nothing, you will fade, just like all other things on this planet.

spoken like a true hipster from Oregon fam

Without Pain, Without suffering, we would have nothing.
To each according to his own merits.
Without rich, poor cannot exist and vice versa. there must always be opposites.
Your entire existence is to make a mark on history, to do something important or be something useful, not wish all man were equal in his inability


I feel like if we got rid of Human welfare/Social security, we would save about 1 trillion of the national budget with which to pay off the national debt. So in about 15 years we would be debt free again.

you want to get rid of social security? social security and welfare are dwarfed by the tax cuts we give only the top 100 earners in the country, if every billionaire in America was taxed without loopholes and finding breaks, the rest of America could stop paying taxes completely and the government would actually collect more money in taxes from those 540 something American billionaires than from the rest of the 320 million citizens of this country, you really think social security and welfare is the problem? about 500 billion is spent on welfare a year, we give over a trillion in tax cuts to the wealthy through loopholes and exploites, hmmmm I wonder which is more detrimental to America, social services for the poor people who keep us fed and actually alive, or the billionares running corporations that keep us poor

your a god damn fool if you think everyone in America can be "the one who takes" what the fuck do you think would happen if everyone in America, all 320 million people said "there is no where to go working in any social service at all so lets all quit our jobs and become ceos, and managers and lets all go do the ambitious jobs" we would all fucking starve that's what, this is what I mean about the American dream being bullshit, its not sustainable, this country cannot survive with 320 million people all joining the American dream.

we need the lower class it has to be there but it has to be sustainable, a classless society is the only way for it to be sustainable, a society where working at mccdonalds isn't considered a shit job, by all means no skill labor means less money im not trying to say minimum wage workers should get paid as much as skilled specialized work but those people need something to work for, what incentive do they have to work at all if minimum wage isn't enough to support a family? welfare is a hard system to work with, I agree there are a lot of flaws with a lot of our welfare systems but saying fuck those people they are just lazy is a bullshit excuse, there are only so many hours in a day, a lot of these people work 2 or 3 jobs and work harder than a lot of middle class citizens and still cant feed their families, that's not laziness that's a society that has failed its people, you cant say a person who works 62 hours a week is lazy just because they aren't smart enough to learn how to become a doctor, if those people had something to actually work for everything would be infinitely better, right now they have nothing, a lot of them could actually quit their jobs and just go outright on welfare and end up with more money at the end of the day, they might as well right? "be the one who takes" remember, that means taking what you can get to get ahead, that includes welfare working zero hours a week compared to going hungry working 60 hours a week, enough people do this and we have a massive collapse, those people are the people that do the jobs we wont, im never going to go back to minimum wage, I know to much, I have specialized skills and Im smart, I have no need to go back and I never will, if to many people like me do that and to many people who cant feed their familys work 20 hours of overtime a week quit their jobs for better benefits then society will collapse

do you know what Marxism is? look into it and the explanations on how capitalism is unsustainable, it literally collapses under its own weight, the upper class takes and takes and takes, and the lower class sinks lower and lower, the gap widens until the lower class can no longer support the upper class, once that happens everything breaks down, riots start, people start dying, governments are overthrown and a switch to socialism is almost always the end result, a lot of times it ends there socialism takes hold and flourishes, the more bloody conflicts that spur the change usually give rise to a socialist dictator and though the country stays socialist for a time eventually that dictator takes a totalitarian rule and eventually drives the country into the ground. capitalism seems to be the only example in history of people thinking its a good idea to build a massive structure on a weak foundation, you cant stand the money pyramid upside down, it wont be long before it tips

a less bloody conflict with a easy transition is what we need but we have let this capitalist influence go so far unchallenged the united states will never ever see an easy change, as much as it pains me to say it, trump is the answer, trump is the epitome of upper class entitlement, I honest to god hope he becomes president, he will be the final push, the final straw to the actual collapse of the system, not intentionally of coarse but if there is anyone out there who will be the final destruction of the government, its him, I just hope I can get out of the country before it happens

[zombiewolf513]

Originally Posted by justinbyrant

... if every billionaire in America was taxed without loopholes and finding breaks, the rest of America could stop paying taxes completely ...

As an American billionaire, I have the right to NOT pay your share of taxes.

Originally Posted by justinbyrant

capitalism seems to be the only example in history of people thinking its a good idea to build a massive structure on a weak foundation, you cant stand the money pyramid upside down, it wont be long before it tips

You mean sorta like how people think the country currently operates with such abundance that it can switch to socialism and support a massive amount of freeloaders while the successful companies do all the heavy lifting and reap no rewards?

[STR8 H8N]

Originally Posted by zombiewolf513

As a billionaire, I have the right to NOT pay your share of taxes.

but then ther would never be billionaires ?

[zombiewolf513]

Originally Posted by justinbyrant

we need the lower class it has to be there but it has to be sustainable, a classless society is the only way for it to be sustainable, a society where working at mccdonalds isn't considered a shit job, by all means no skill labor means less money im not trying to say minimum wage workers should get paid as much as skilled specialized work but those people need something to work for, what incentive do they have to work at all if minimum wage isn't enough to support a family?

The lowest paid McDonalds job IS a shit job. its mindless and requires little to no skill to make that garbage. They already do have something to motivate them to do bigger things... like a shitty job with a shitty paycheck that isn't for adults to consider a career.

Survival of the fittest. If you don't want to eat just ants and berries, you gotta go hunt something bigger. More money and better lifestyles take decades of individual focus and dedication. It doesn't just happen for most people.

What do people have to motivate them to make billions if theyre just going to have it taken away? Why dedicate yourself and take risks starting a business when in the end you can't do with it as you please?

It's not that the government/economic system doesn't have problems, but because socialism is a possible solution doesn't mean it is the solution.

[justinbyrant]

Originally Posted by zombiewolf513

As an American billionaire, I have the right to NOT pay your share of taxes.



You mean sorta like how people think the country currently operates with such abundance that it can switch to socialism and support a massive amount of freeloaders while the successful companies do all the heavy lifting and reap no rewards?

does that give you the right to not pay your own share of taxes? finding a loophole and getting tax breaks because you are rich does is bullshit, no one is asking the wealthy to pay anyone elses taxes we are asking them to pay their own share of taxes which they don't, I wasn't saying the rich should be taxed so the rest of us could stop paying I was just pointing out that the rich save or get back more money in tax breaks than 320 million people pay in taxes, yet here we are bitching about welfare which is a much smaller number, you wanna get the country out of debt, use the people who put us in debt in the first place, politicians and the rich.

you people clearly have no idea how socialism works, socialism makes a switch from allowing large companies to rape our economy, socialism does not work with freeloaders, you all think everyone will just get lazy in a socialist economy? then why does almost every single socialist economy have a higher employment rate than America? socialism relies on a high work force it cannot work with lazy people, and super big successful businesses will not pay for everything because they wont exist, instead of one large company having 3 massive stores in every town instead every town will have 6 or 7 or 8 or 15 separate successful people running their own successful version of that company employing people for what they are worth because small businesses focus on quality not shoving product down our throats

and yes the lowest paid mccdonalds job is shit very true as I stated that doesn't mean those people don't have a right to live, explain this to me, fast food relies on minimum wage workers yes? so if fast food goes even farther down the toilet than it already is to the point where working fast food will not allow you to live, you literally cannot afford to rent a studio apartment and pay for food (its on its way) what happens then? what do we do if the majority of the population works jobs that don't pay enough for them to survive, what happens when those people starve to death or lose their home and get fired for not being able to take a shower and stay clean, who then serves our food? what happens when that graduates to all of the service industry? you all think its ok to pay people nothing and say "well that's not a job you should make a career" or "well its a shit job so you deserve to not be paid anything for it" what do we do when those people don't and cant exist anymore?

rather than having mccdonalds, burger king, taco bell, wendys, arbys, jack in the box and all the other shit food chains making garbage (your words) would you rather not have a local company making you good food, not garbage, at a competitive cheap price, something that's not necessarily good for you but isn't complete fucking garbage? ask yourself why a salad at any major fast food chain costs upwards of $6 but you can buy a shitty little burger that's just as filling with just as much material and more ingredients for $.99, fat, slow, complacent people will never fight back, that's why.

people don't need to be motivated to make billions, that's fucking grossly obscenely greedy and useless, I want to make a healthy living, comfortable, with the ability to buy what I want and do what I want in a country that isn't a complete shithole because my greed does not allow for anyone else to prosper, you don't need to be a billionaire for that, 500k-1m a year depending on the area you live is more than enough for that and easily obtainable

and your right socialism may not be THE answer but its sure as shit a better answer

[kashira kureijii]

Originally Posted by justinbyrant

Something, Something of Opression

Which is why the rich pay 50%+ of all income tax revenue this country receives?, and income tax makes up like 50% of the govt revenue.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...gh-to-be-fair/

whether you think it is enough is irrelevant, as you take zero risk, as you are not a business owner. People should not be penalized for being ambitious, and should certainly not be made equal to serfs with no life goals or ambitions
Have you ever talked with business owners and rich people about the insane amount of taxes they pay? A business can loose money year after year without aid, but the second they actually make good income , their growth/recovery is stifled by exorbitant income tax drain.
There is no secret business Illuminati that is like crushing your proletarian dreams or whatever, it is just businesses trying to make as much money as possible and not loose their ass. If I was them, I would exploit the shit out of dem loopholes too. Healthy business=healthy higher paid workforce(as in, not oregon hipsters who have no job or don't try at all, and want others to be responsible for their failings)


Anyway, we really need the parties to devolve into far left and far right. I wish I could be part of some military coup, the thought of it is quite romantic to me.

think of it, oberleutenant kashira, commander of the fascist military district, eventual ruler of all humanity.........glorious


also

[KAT-PWR]

^^^
Yeah well if it ain't bout guap I'm gon'

[inopsey]

Originally Posted by justinbyrant

does that give you the right to not pay your own share of taxes? finding a loophole and getting tax breaks because you are rich does is bullshit, no one is asking the wealthy to pay anyone elses taxes we are asking them to pay their own share of taxes which they don't,

this is a perfect example of why its a waste of time trying to convince the general american population how the world works, they have their mind made up and have shut off their brains, blinded by 'the american dream' and other rhetoric. you make a logical argument and the general population is too dumb to understand so they spew 'socialism is bad mmmmmk '

this lack of knowledge/brains shows exactly why america is dumb enough to elect trump to run for a major party and probably dumb enough to elect him president..............

by the way i agree with what your saying here but it makes too much sense for most to understand

[justinbyrant]

Originally Posted by kashira kureijii

Which is why the rich pay 50%+ of all income tax revenue this country receives?, and income tax makes up like 50% of the govt revenue.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...gh-to-be-fair/

whether you think it is enough is irrelevant, as you take zero risk, as you are not a business owner. People should not be penalized for being ambitious, and should certainly not be made equal to serfs with no life goals or ambitions
Have you ever talked with business owners and rich people about the insane amount of taxes they pay? A business can loose money year after year without aid, but the second they actually make good income , their growth/recovery is stifled by exorbitant income tax drain.
There is no secret business Illuminati that is like crushing your proletarian dreams or whatever, it is just businesses trying to make as much money as possible and not loose their ass. If I was them, I would exploit the shit out of dem loopholes too. Healthy business=healthy higher paid workforce(as in, not oregon hipsters who have no job or don't try at all, and want others to be responsible for their failings)


Anyway, we really need the parties to devolve into far left and far right. I wish I could be part of some military coup, the thought of it is quite romantic to me.

think of it, oberleutenant kashira, commander of the fascist military district, eventual ruler of all humanity.........glorious

this is such a ridiculous way of thinking, a person who makes 180 million a year could pay 500k in taxes that same year and think oh but I pay so much in taxes vs a person who makes 32,000 a year and pays 8-9k the thing people somehow for some god forsaken reason fail to realize is if both people worked and paid every penny they made to their taxes in order to pay off their debt early and keep the rest of the money they make for the year it would take the person making 32k a year over 3 months to pay their tax debt, the millionare would do it in a day (not researched figures of any person of bussiness just an exaggerated example) fairness isn't represented by an amount its represented by a percentage, and the fact of the matter is, without capitalism they wouldn't have to try to find tax dodges to survive because business competition would be fair a small business wouldn't have to compete with walmart, or fast food chains it would be honest fair competition and it would drastically improve our economy

and just so you know im not a Oregon hipster with no job or dream, I own and operate a machine shop with 6 employees under me, I know all about taxes and operating costs, and your wrong, flat out wrong about healthy business=higher paid healthy workers, if that was the case why does walmart, one of the healthiest businesses in the world pay its workers the least amount possible across the board? your theory works....... in a socialist economy, not in a capitalist one

[zombiewolf513]

Originally Posted by justinbyrant

this is such a ridiculous way of thinking, a person who makes 180 million a year could pay 500k in taxes that same year and think oh but I pay so much in taxes vs a person who makes 32,000 a year and pays 8-9k the thing people somehow for some god forsaken reason fail to realize is if both people worked and paid every penny they made to their taxes in order to pay off their debt early and keep the rest of the money they make for the year it would take the person making 32k a year over 3 months to pay their tax debt, the millionare would do it in a day (not researched figures of any person of bussiness just an exaggerated example) fairness isn't represented by an amount its represented by a percentage, and the fact of the matter is, without capitalism they wouldn't have to try to find tax dodges to survive because business competition would be fair a small business wouldn't have to compete with walmart, or fast food chains it would be honest fair competition and it would drastically improve our economy

and just so you know im not a Oregon hipster with no job or dream, I own and operate a machine shop with 6 employees under me, I know all about taxes and operating costs, and your wrong, flat out wrong about healthy business=higher paid healthy workers, if that was the case why does walmart, one of the healthiest businesses in the world pay its workers the least amount possible across the board? your theory works....... in a socialist economy, not in a capitalist one

You are wrong. If you made $180M a year your income tax is over $71M ($120k + 39.6%,), not $500k (.2%). At $32k income taxes come out to about $6k ($1000 + %15). The wealthy definitly already pay out the ass in taxes more than most people are willing to admit. Not only that, but once industries sink or leave because theyre crushed by US socialist regulation, the tax burden would then fall on mom and pop US citizen.


Source: https://www.irs.com/articles/project...tax-rates-2016