love/hate knockoffs? vent here

[fliprayzin240sx]

Originally Posted by TougeLove

im cheap, but im also not stupid. a good investment is in suspension, engine, brakes, rims (to a certain degree).

a bad investment is spending 1,200 on a authentic vertex kit that may get smashed up. or 2,000 on a pair of volks that you run into the wall.

all these "fake" wheels people keep bringing up still have to pass JWL VIA standards. same as volk, work, etc. YES volk may go beyond the standard, but im pretty sure the standard is safe enough

My take on your mentality is, dont hit the fucking wall or dont do tandems!!! You get ballsy enough, take the body kit off. I have my daily/hard park status wheels, then you have track wheels. I take my skirts and bumper off at the track, dont like having shredded tires destroying the fiberglass. Even if it happens, rebuilding fiberglass isnt all that hard.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

WTF? Did you even read 8 posts above you???

Nope, and not a single fuck given.

[deolio]

i just wonder how often people REALLY break wheels anyway. i know i've only broken one and that was a 926 4 years ago. bent a gramlight and a wedssport, but those were both repaired for less than a new 926 would have cost.

i have yet to run a body kit, but when i do, i plan on running it all the time. learn to do some fucking fiberglass and simple paint work. not that hard.

[[email protected]]

Originally Posted by ThatGuy

Lack of innovation and originality.

No Research and Development.

Morally wrong to copy. We are taught this from the time we begin learning; copying someone else's answers is cheating, and it's wrong.


My response will now fall upon deaf ears as people complain about the price of original parts, using such arguments as my "X-company" parts are just as good as "Name Brand" counterpart and I didn't have to pay for the name. Or, why should I spend money on quality parts for a car I only paid $1500 for, blah, blah, blah.

I don't know why I'm even bothering to post.

Sad that most don't want to listen but true that. Keeping up with the Jones's is by no means cheap. But how much pride can you take in something that is full of fake parts and no engineering in it? The worst is when people try and pass off their fakes as real parts.

[BossHogg]

The knock of wheels and body kit shit I can understand...IF you are a serious drifter. I wouldn't want to fuck up my shit either. But I would just have a shit load of crap drift wheels and maybe one baller set to cruise in. I like quality real shit....because its real. I just can't justify spending my hard earned cash for low quality shit products. That is just insulting yourself. I don't get the logic. Even as a teenager I never sold myself short. I think my parts list does a good job of proving that to.

The knock offs never look good either. That is the best part about buying the quality shit, performs AND looks good.

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Originally Posted by BossHogg

The knock of wheels and body kit shit I can understand...IF you are a serious drifter. I wouldn't want to fuck up my shit either. But I would just have a shit load of crap drift wheels and maybe one baller set to cruise in. I like quality real shit....because its real. I just can't justify spending my hard earned cash for low quality shit products. That is just insulting yourself. I don't get the logic. Even as a teenager I never sold myself short. I think my parts list does a good job of proving that to.

The knock offs never look good either. That is the best part about buying the quality shit, performs AND looks good.

I agree with you 100%!! Well put

[Otto347]

Ive owned volks, sterns, rotas and varrstoens. Who gives a fuck.

[mikerbike]

I wish I could afford some knockoffs.

[Mofuhcka]

Half you guys saying fuck fake wheels end up buying knock off kits anyways. Leaves me so confused.

[BossHogg]

Originally Posted by Otto347

Ive owned volks, sterns, rotas and varrstoens. Who gives a fuck.

Obviously you don't lol. I would not own most the junk you just mentioned. Even volk doesn't look as quality as some of the other high end makers. Just my opinion. But there isn't a volk wheel out there that another company doesn't have something that looks better (as a product). Volk is just missing that extra something in my personal opinion. Something with their finishes. Just my personal opinion on wheels I have seen and own. I know they are quality but not my taste I guess. CCW falls into that category to.

[usdm180sx]

To this day I have never seen a TE37 break. Guys who rock them do everything on them. Time attack, drifting, all of the above. Someone post a pic of a broken TE37!

Anyone seen this yet?

http://jalopnik.com/5953859/this-guy...is-blaming-him

There's some really shady stuff going on in there.

[usdm180sx]

People who actually take pride in building an s-chassis car come to mind

[Otto347]

Originally Posted by BossHogg

Even volk doesn't look as quality as some of the other high end makers.

Ah yes because looks is what makes a good wheel company. Well in my OPINION the te37 is the best looking wheel ever made. People will agree with me and people will disagree. Once again who gives a fuck...............

[Te37]

Are you talking about quality or looks? I have seen te37s brand new out of the box and I have seen ccw brand new our of the box and even Work vsxx's, and I still have to side with volk that there QUALITY is far superb past the others. You can just tell when you look at the edges of the metal, the paint and even how they were packaged.

[drift213]

Originally Posted by chiboy002

lemme chime in. im 16 years old. none of the parts in my car are of my parents money, unless you consider insurance and gas money. and i mean none, 0, zip. I've been saving up for a long ass time just to buy a car, i found a 240sx and parts arent cheap. Guess what body kit i bought, vertex. Why? Because i earned the fucking money. Do i wish i didnt, yes because now my car needs other things fixed. Did i learn my lesson? no. because i love buying parts for my car. Only "knock off" i have, to my knowledge cause previous owner has wierd shit on this car thats being removed, is my megan headers. Those are coming off soon since i hate the fitment. I have stance, all battleversion, and some exhaust. My car needs lots of shit done so im getting a job, im going to save up and buy things once. not twice because i don't like wasting money. even if i can't drive my car around, i dont give a shit, as long as i know im letting her rest so i can afford quality parts that wont give me a worse headache later on.

knock offs are cheap for a reason.

Ok so if you don't work n supposing u don'tget money from parents how the fxxx you get money for the parts? I had my first s13 when I was 15 but i used to work in a shop

[towlie]

I can honestly say te37's are one of the best looking wheel ever designed. It's been around what, 15 years with no changes in its overall design? And look how many replicas have popped up. Xxr, rota, varstone, etc.

Ill buy a set brand new, one day

[sw20>>s14]

Originally Posted by usdm180sx

To this day I have never seen a TE37 break. Guys who rock them do everything on them. Time attack, drifting, all of the above. Someone post a pic of a broken TE37!

Anyone seen this yet?

This Guy's Wheel Self-Destructed And The Company Who Made It Is Blaming Him

There's some really shady stuff going on in there.

I'd have to side with COR on this one, you don't know the expertise of the painter. Especially with the assumption that the centers were powdercoated. Who knows what the temperatures were at during each step and if the painter reassembled them correctly to spec?

In terms of knockoffs, I view it as Americans and our dependency on instant gratification. Therefore, I equate people who buy knockoffs to masturbaters.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by sw20>>s14

I'd have to side with COR on this one, you don't know the expertise of the painter. Especially with the assumption that the centers were powdercoated. Who knows what the temperatures were at during each step and if the painter reassembled them correctly to spec?

In terms of knockoffs, I view it as Americans and our dependency on instant gratification. Therefore, I equate people who buy knockoffs to masturbaters.

Yes cuz there are no Knock-Offs in Japan...or porn for that matter.

[Drifting-pedobear]

this thread is retarded.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by Drifting-pedobear

this thread is retarded.

That is why it's in the Loud Noise section.

[The Dude]

It's better than having these discussions on every thread that pops up about Megan or Godspeed parts.

[usdm180sx]

Originally Posted by sw20>>s14

I'd have to side with COR on this one, you don't know the expertise of the painter. Especially with the assumption that the centers were powdercoated. Who knows what the temperatures were at during each step and if the painter reassembled them correctly to spec?

In terms of knockoffs, I view it as Americans and our dependency on instant gratification. Therefore, I equate people who buy knockoffs to masturbaters.

Well, they changed their internet policy after the incident happened. I think they cheaped out on their R&D and got caught. Their marketing is misleading and their wheels are hella expensive so I think they're trying to make a killing. So they denied the claim because if they paid it when the flood gates open they will have to pay on ALL the shitty wheels they made and when that happens they will be shut down.

[The Dude]

I think people who pay a lot for their wheels just assume that they are high quality without actually checking to see if the production of the wheels are actually superior to some cheaper brands. Many people say that instead of buying "knockoffs" you should buy RPF1's/PF01's/etc, which are assumed to be of higher quality than Rota, for example, because they're more expensive. Most Rota's are actually low-pressure cast and the more expensive Enkei's are gravity cast, an inferior and cheaper process that can cause defects in the material.

Also, the term "knockoff" that is thrown around all the time is a misnomer because most of the wheels referred to as such clearly state what brand they are and they are easily identified as not being "real." Sure, they may look similar but who gives a shit? If you can tell instantly that it isn't a Volk TE37 from a picture then it isn't a fucking knockoff. Putting Volk stickers on your cheap wheels is pretty lame, though. Personally, I am indifferent to what anyone buys because it isn't my car. I'm not sure why some of you insult people for what they choose to buy when it doesn't affect you at all.

By the way, Rota has been a supplier of OEM wheels to many different car companies over decades. See their website: Our History - ROTA Wheels

[T chop]

SQUARE Wheels G33 Model - 17x9 +15 5x114.3 (Set of 4 Wheels) - Enjuku Racing Parts, LLC

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by T chop

SQUARE Wheels G33 Model - 17x9 +15 5x114.3 (Set of 4 Wheels) - Enjuku Racing Parts, LLC

3rd party OEM's are nothing new and nothing shocking. They are also offering them in better offset then the originals.


No gripe here.

[towlie]

Yeah BMW reps and shit have been around for years. It's meh

[collegekid]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Interesting article about Knock0offs and the people who buy them.
Are women who carry fake designer handbags big trouble? | Fox News

Heard this on the radio when they were discussing how to find out if your girlfriend is cheating.

My opinion

The only things people really care about
-quality
-price, meaning if someone else can make the exact same thing better and cheaper, why not? As long as it is correctly advertised
-Correct advertising. Such as labeling Megan as HKS, we have a problem.
-function Does it get the job done? Goes hand in hand with quality.
-Financial capability. Is it really feasible for you to spend thousands on a set of Volks just to go drifting? Honestly, if money is such a big issue then I really think you need to focus on other things in your life. You need to make big boy moves in your life to increase cash flow. I know how cheap these wheels are being sold for.

Unless your career/job is involved with car parts/racing/drifting/cars in general , there is no event/car show/ hard park meet that is worth it to slap on some trash products on your car. Maybe that stuff will hold you over for an event or two. I understand if people are in a bind sometimes, but if you honestly believe that Megan,ISIS, any generic brand will rival OEM (including OEM aftermarket such as Nismo, Roush) or reputable Aftermarket parts, then I hope you break your parts and slam into a wall.

Another way to look at it is from a business aspect. Maybe Megan and ISIS are trying to grow and make better products. Maybe they are innovators and maybe they are here for a short time just to rape the scene, make a killing, and pack up and leave. No one will know unless you can read the minds of the owners. Only time will tell.

/RANT
I promise you that I will not be a guinea pig for these companies. If you are in a tough spot in life and choose to buy from them, its all good. I can still sleep at night. I'll just type RIP when your friend posts that you died in a car crash because your ebay bucket seat and harness threw you out the fucking car.


If you really have a love for cars and the sport, then do something major with your life to accommodate it. I spent 2.5 years studying biology and started hating it. Now I'm in mechanical engineering. I'm not saying you should all start becoming mechanics, I'm just reiterating that maybe you need to find a better job than working at WalMart.

[cchondro]

Originally Posted by collegekid

Heard this on the radio when they were discussing how to find out if your girlfriend is cheating.

My opinion

The only things people really care about
-quality
-price, meaning if someone else can make the exact same thing better and cheaper, why not? As long as it is correctly advertised
-Correct advertising. Such as labeling Megan as HKS, we have a problem.
-function Does it get the job done? Goes hand in hand with quality.
-Financial capability. Is it really feasible for you to spend thousands on a set of Volks just to go drifting? Honestly, if money is such a big issue then I really think you need to focus on other things in your life. You need to make big boy moves in your life to increase cash flow. I know how cheap these wheels are being sold for.

Unless your career/job is involved with car parts/racing/drifting/cars in general , there is no event/car show/ hard park meet that is worth it to slap on some trash products on your car. Maybe that stuff will hold you over for an event or two. I understand if people are in a bind sometimes, but if you honestly believe that Megan,ISIS, any generic brand will rival OEM (including OEM aftermarket such as Nismo, Roush) or reputable Aftermarket parts, then I hope you break your parts and slam into a wall.

Another way to look at it is from a business aspect. Maybe Megan and ISIS are trying to grow and make better products. Maybe they are innovators and maybe they are here for a short time just to rape the scene, make a killing, and pack up and leave. No one will know unless you can read the minds of the owners. Only time will tell.

/RANT
I promise you that I will not be a guinea pig for these companies. If you are in a tough spot in life and choose to buy from them, its all good. I can still sleep at night. I'll just type RIP when your friend posts that you died in a car crash because your ebay bucket seat and harness threw you out the fucking car.


If you really have a love for cars and the sport, then do something major with your life to accommodate it. I spent 2.5 years studying biology and started hating it. Now I'm in mechanical engineering. I'm not saying you should all start becoming mechanics, I'm just reiterating that maybe you need to find a better job than working at WalMart.

I agree with Alot of the things you have stated.
It all boils down to
1. Money
2. Quality
3. Purpose

The MAIN reason people buy knockoffs is because of the money. It is cheaper to buy brands like Megan or Isis or XXR over PBM or BC or Works, I mean there is a huge difference in proce ranges between these companies.
But what I don't understand and what really irritates me is when.people fake the funk. Every knockoff or cheaper brand has replica parts. But people will buy the replicas and rock them like they are real.

Now for me my car is a pure 100% Drift car that will be driven on the track. That is its purpose. For that reason I will be buying a BN kit over a Version kit. I have XXR'S over some works(I'll be buying RPF1s later down the line so this doesn't really apply as much) But it's because I plan on the fact that its going to get torn up and abused and I refuse to buy something that is 1000$ as a drifter self financing his car (with a little help from a couple sponsors) knowing I'm going to trash it up.
I'm using XXRs because if I mess them up or brake them it's only 125$ to get another one. If I messed up a Meister say hello to 500-600$ to replace it. That makes no sense. But if your out there going.to shows because you want to be a show car you need to be rocking real parts. There is no ballin on a budget in my opinion.
There is somethings you can go cheap on and some you can't.

If the quality is there I don't see the issue running a slightly cheaper brand. I have all ISIS suspension arms on my car (besides my DGR Track Coils) because I feel it's a quality part for the price it's at,I will one day replace them with a more reputable company when the time comes but for now the ISIS parts are working fine.
That's just my opinion on the matter, if the part is quality I see no issue, if your drifting and are going to wreck wheels don't be drifting with some works.
But like I said its all opinions.

[collegekid]

Yeah^, some things you can skimp on and get away with it and there are some things you CANT. It's very dangerous to do so, but people do. The scary part is that whenever these parts break, there is a huge probability that you will hurt someone else along with yourself.

Any and every car part will break, given enough of a shock (damage, crash). People fail to research the parts that they are buying/companies and just buy shit. Even if you are buying volks or rotas, read up on how they are built. It shouldn't take more than an hour to get a really good idea on what is good and what is bad. Then you call and ask questions.

More price =/= more quality

Know your shit before you buy

Don't put anyone else in danger, either spend the money on the right parts you need (such as a helmet, harness, seat etc ) from GOOD companies, or dont do it until you can afford it.

Also, take a good look at your insurance policy (if you have one) or call them up. See if you are even covered when you go on the track.

Also check with the warranties on all the parts you buy.

[codyace]

People who buy real track parts that hardpark

vs

People who buy knockoffs that daily/abuse them

vs

People who buy knockoffs that pretend they are real

vs

People who buy real stuff and really abuse it


...the irony of it all sometimes.