The Future Automotive Thread

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by TheRealSy90

This truck is barely longer than the outgoing model.

There's also a long bed too.

Doesn't change the proportions.

[Future240]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

https://www.autoblog.com/2021/02/09/...-celica-rumor/

Well this is interesting. Toyota may make a Toyota badged WRX, possibly a coupe!!?? Celica Alltrac? Doubt this will happen but it?s a pretty cool thought.


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I agree on the doubt. NO way its a coupe. That would basically make the Gr86/brz pointless unless they had major price drops.

[kingkilburn]

Why would that make it pointless when the cars already coexist?

[ronmcdon]

I think that's an incredibly disappointing and depressing idea. why badge engineer a wrx when you can just bring the yaris gr over? failing that just use the yaris' awd and 3 cylinder turbo powertrain on the corolla hatch. jeez toyota quit being so miserly & risk aversive already. Its not like the company is not doing well.

[cdlong]

Originally Posted by Future240

I agree on the doubt. NO way its a coupe. That would basically make the Gr86/brz pointless unless they had major price drops.

Probably coupe like a GM Impreza, just a sedan with only two doors, rather than 86 or 240 like low slung coupe.

[SimpleS14]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

https://www.autoblog.com/2021/02/09/...-celica-rumor/

Well this is interesting. Toyota may make a Toyota badged WRX, possibly a coupe!!?? Celica Alltrac? Doubt this will happen but it?s a pretty cool thought.

It's an interesting concept, but don't see it becoming a reality. Don't really see much demand for such a vehicle, unless Toyota is looking to add a new entry into WRC as a callback to Celica's history.

[Future240]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

Why would that make it pointless when the cars already coexist?

Let me clarify.

In response to Exit's post

Originally Posted by Exitspeed

Toyota may make a Toyota badged WRX, possibly a coupe!!??

I meant a turbo coupe from Toyota based on the WRX drivetrain would make the BRZ/GT86 pointless cars as the BRZ/GT86 are already that sans turbo. Which means to make sense the twins would need a serious price drop to slot in a new car which would have to be around the WRX's price.

The WRX msrp and the twins msrp are not that far off. Heck the BRZ limited is more than the WRX base.

So if Toyo dropped a FA20/24 powered coupe and priced it between 28k-30k, who in their right mind would buy a GT86/brz?

[ronmcdon]

probably they'd still get the 86 b/c its a light and nimble car. its not all about power output.

i'm also with cdlong as in this being similar to the 2 door impreza in the late 90s. The 22b was technically a coupe. Some have speculated next Sti could be a coupe.

aside from badge engineering the wrx (saab did it and not sure that did well), this doesn't make a lot of sense. overall dont find this plausibe.

[Antihero983]

Most likely a Celica.

[exitspeed]

Prooooobably reading too much into this but is he teasing the direction of the next GTR? A Kenmeri inspired GTR would sell like hot cakes.


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[Bluejayde]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

A Kenmeri inspired GTR would sell like hot cakes.

It would? I feel like the people who bought GTR's just wanted a cheaper Japanese Lambo, not the same folks with a burning love for 70's Japanese retro design.

Like they'd rather import/build a Kenmeri than buy a new GTR with a few stomach-turning hints at one.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by Bluejayde

It would? I feel like the people who bought GTR's just wanted a cheaper Japanese Lambo, not the same folks with a burning love for 70's Japanese retro design.

Like they'd rather import/build a Kenmeri than buy a new GTR with a few stomach-turning hints at one.

I?d buy one. As much as I love old cars I?m not sure I really want a classic car any more (a 930 turbo might be the one exception). I?m fully aware I?m in the minority here but I haven?t had a car more than a couple years old in over a decade now.

Seriously though, give me a kenmeri/IDX with 500hp, awd for $75k, I?m all I?m.


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[kingkilburn]

Where does a 70s retro rwd coupe fit into a lineup that already has a Z?

If they want to go retro with the gtr merge it back into the skyline name and make it an amalgamation of the best parts of the R chassis gtr.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

Where does a 70s retro rwd coupe fit into a lineup that already has a Z?

If they want to go retro with the gtr merge it back into the skyline name and make it an amalgamation of the best parts of the R chassis gtr.

Why not? Ghosn isn?t around to spoil all the fun. If the Z topped out at $50k and the GTR went down market to male it more accessible and started at $60 and maybe went up to $85 that would be fantastic. Then while we?re at it revive the IDX as a RWD EV in both coupe and sedan form and Nissan is sexy and cool again. Oh yeah, Maxima becomes a Model S fighting EV.


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[kingkilburn]

If we're doing all that bring back the Skyline proper to sit between the Z and gtr with gtr as the halo car. Give the Z an identity that doesn't try to make it fake being a halo car.

[exitspeed]

https://www.engadget.com/jaguar-will...121436428.html

Jaguar will be all electric by 2030 with the start of the shift beginning in just 3 years. That?s crazy fast.

I just want to soak this in as a car enthusiast. We?re living through the first real automobile revolution. In 20 years (fuck I?ll be 61) gas cars really will only be collectibles.

What a time to be alive. Hate it or love it, it?s happening.


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[cdlong]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

https://www.engadget.com/jaguar-will...121436428.html

Jaguar will be all electric by 2030 with the start of the shift beginning in just 3 years. That?s crazy fast.

I just want to soak this in as a car enthusiast. We?re living through the first real automobile revolution. In 20 years (fuck I?ll be 61) gas cars really will only be collectibles.

What a time to be alive. Hate it or love it, it?s happening.


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Jesus you're old, now I know why you're so crotchety

[KA24DESOneThree]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

https://www.engadget.com/jaguar-will...121436428.html

Jaguar will be all electric by 2030 with the start of the shift beginning in just 3 years. That?s crazy fast.

I just want to soak this in as a car enthusiast. We?re living through the first real automobile revolution. In 20 years (fuck I?ll be 61) gas cars really will only be collectibles.

What a time to be alive. Hate it or love it, it?s happening.

I'm trying to figure out how much I'm willing to pay to import and legalize a French hot hatch before they banish that pathway. Too bad I have to "finish a project" before I "take on another project that has no US parts avenues and even things like glass would become weeks-long processes of sadness and regret." Bah.

There are plenty of cars if you look backward. What's behind you is of great importance.

[LI NY 240sx]

I wonder what gas will cost in 20 years

[collegekid]

^ If gas still exists.

I'm wondering what stuff will we truly have to come up with ourselves. Maybe we can still rebuild mechanical pieces on a car. Let's say we are able to use little arduino boards and what not to replace the electrical shit on a car. Make an aftermarket ECU run the car in it's entirety.

Who will still make Powersteering fluid, gear oil, engine oil, coolant, gasoline?

[TheRealSy90]

Originally Posted by collegekid

^ If gas still exists.
Who will still make Powersteering fluid, gear oil, engine oil, coolant, gasoline?

As long as rubber tires are still needed on road going vehicles, petroleum will still be needed to produce them. Also there are many other fluids aside from gasoline that are still needed in EV.
Afaik it takes like 7 GALLONS of oil to make ONE average tire.

[cdlong]

Seriously, gas powered cars will be on the road and be getting support for decades. Probably through our lifetimes. There are cars currently on the road that were built decades before I was born. They're aren't going anywhere.

[kingkilburn]

Unless petroleum and internal combustion is outlawed we'll be getting access to gasoline and diesel for the rest of our lives.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by LI NY 240sx

I wonder what gas will cost in 20 years

Cheap. There is SO much of it and it?s still cheap. 20 years, especially if we?re talking declining usage, won?t put a dent in it. And plus there are waaaay too many petrol cars out there and too much money invested into them to just stop producing it.


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[cured13]

The price of the fuel will go up by taxation - governments will need more money to support "green energy".
Beside that,
now when North American oil is rejected by Americans, OPEC will keep prices high by controlling production and export.

Electric cars won't be cheep and reliable anytime soon and only moving ALL manufacturing to Asia will make them affordable for the masses.
By then many won't even be thinking about owning a car or whatever will that be called.

[kingkilburn]

Doom. Doom I say!

[ronmcdon]

idk if the cost of fuel goes up, but I do hope the value of our cars do in 20 years. would be great if one could sell a used 240 for $100k then.

I wouldn't worry too much about gas or ic engines at this point. no way one can predict something that far out ahead. I don't want to even imagine what global warming will look like in 20 years. that scares me more than anything.

[Alex Mcknz]

The news that I have seen recently is about e-vehicles and the elimination of gas-powered vehicles.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

https://www.autoblog.com/2021/02/09/...-celica-rumor/

Well this is interesting. Toyota may make a Toyota badged WRX, possibly a coupe!!?? Celica Alltrac? Doubt this will happen but it?s a pretty cool thought.


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This was posted over on the FiestaST forums and I will sum up what I said there.

This whole idea makes no sense whatsoever.
1. Toyota already has a AWD hot hatch in the Yaris GR which is not available stateside. 2. They also have the Corolla Hatch GR coming out.

3. Suburu is not going to make a car that eats into its beloved WRX/STI Sales hell they did not want to even Turbocharge the BRZ which they should have done because of that.

Given all of the above why would either company move to make a another hot hatch it completely defies any Logic for either company.
To add to that Toyota has AWD and hybrid tech out the ass. I could see them selling some hybrid tech to Suburu but doing a Hot Hatch together ah no.

Originally Posted by Alex Mcknz

The news that I have seen recently is about e-vehicles and the elimination of gas-powered vehicles.

Ya as far as new sales goes. Though they can?t just up and outlaw used cars. They can try regulating them to death. Of course there will be just enough pushback to not kill them altogether. I live in California , I have seen the states concerted effort to get old cars that fail ever stringent smog standards off the road. The dumb people will willingly dump the cars but the enthusiasts will cling on as they do today.
If California cannot manage to remove all of them so goes the country. :lol:

[LI NY 240sx]

I can foresee some over-zealous climate activists vandalizing cars with IC engines. Kinda like when they would spray paint fur coats.