The Future Automotive Thread

[Dutchmalmiss]

Originally Posted by [240sx]

So is the CT5 gonna de-value the Chevrolet SS or what. Prices haven't budged on these, even with the Economy in impending doom. (Grumble)

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Not at all. Like the SS, the CT5-V Blackwing would be a small market car.

It's nice they're still keeping the manual on both the CT5 and the CT4.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by [240sx]

So is the CT5 gonna de-value the Chevrolet SS or what. Prices haven't budged on these, even with the Economy in impending doom. (Grumble)

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I don?t think so. So few of them were sold, they instantly became future classics and they were bought by car guys who know what they have.

[dorkidori_s13]

That CT5 is the first and only time EVER that I looked at a Cadillac and thought "wow, thats actually a REALLY good looking car!"

[[240sx]]

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

That CT5 is the first and only time EVER that I looked at a Cadillac and thought "wow, thats actually a REALLY good looking car!"

Surely, you mean POST 70's Caddys.

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[dorkidori_s13]

Originally Posted by [240sx]

Surely, you mean POST 70's Caddys.

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NOPE! im not a Cadillac fan at all.

[[240sx]]

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

NOPE! im not a Cadillac fan at all.

Any self-respecting 'car guy' can, nay, SHOULD appreciate the art of a 50s, 60s Caddy. You should pink yourself, sir.



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[ronmcdon]

a shame chevy doesnt throw in the regular lt1 from the camero ss in the cheaper ct5v and ct4v non blackwing. a 455hp engiine with established aftermarket support, manual, elsd, under 50k ct4v would have been a good middle ground. wish caddillac what not try so hard to compete with the germans and do their own thing. never understood why the ats-v didnt go v8 either.

[Initial Drift]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Nissan is actually is a good spot to do just that with Infiniti. Even though the Leaf is not super exciting, it?s proven technology and further along than most companies at with their EV development. Nissan should make Infiniti a Tesla competitor.

I would absolutely love if Nissan took Infiniti and did that.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by Initial Drift

I would absolutely love if Nissan took Infiniti and did that.

I believe that was the plan with Infiniti before all this.

[dorkidori_s13]

Originally Posted by [240sx]

Any self-respecting 'car guy' can, nay, SHOULD appreciate the art of a 50s, 60s Caddy. You should pink yourself, sir!

naw im good... thanks though!

[exitspeed]

I know some people want a Z that looks like $200k lambo, but I?m all for this shit still.





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[exitspeed]

The RX-9 is back on. Mazda is going to use the new RWD platform from the 6 for the RX-9 and for the next gen CX-9.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/mazd...etrain-patent/

[BryanSayWhat]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

I know some people want a Z that looks like $200k lambo, but I?m all for this shit still.

This is what I'm talking about! A lot more exciting than that red one you posted, imo.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by BryanSayWhat

This is what I'm talking about! A lot more exciting than that red one you posted, imo.

I think I posted this one a couple months ago too. The potential is real.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

I know some people want a Z that looks like $200k lambo, but I?m all for this shit still.





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I am right there with you Mel. They make a Z along these lines and I will buy it!

[Corbic]

https://www.carscoops.com/2020/04/ni...ng-influences/

Sooo, a Zupra knock off?


Isn't this exactly what the 370Z was supposed to be?

[TheRealSy90]

I really think they missed an opportunity to name it the 300zx and cash in on bringing back that namesake.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by TheRealSy90

I really think they missed an opportunity to name it the 300zx and cash in on bringing back that namesake.

It's Nissan, pretty sure that's Japanese for "missed opportunity".

I'll reiterate, this car should have been 100% 300zx inspired. Not in a "let's make a modern car that looks like a Z32" but in the..

Hey, it's 2020, let's make this shit seem like the future is now. (this is why the Z31, Z32, Z33 where huge hits).

Nissan should have been drawing inspiration from the i8, Aventador, Corvette, Ferrari FS90, NSX, etc.

Not the BRZ, Zupra and 370Z.

Full Digital Dash, illuminated door sills, speakers in the head rests, turbo V6.

And yes, call it a 300Z and offer multi tiers, Z, ZX, ZX-TT, ZX Nismo, ZX-TT Nismo (just like Dodge, Chevy and Ford).

Recreate the Superbowl Commercial, drop the car in 2021.

Get a Hayabusa for the bike, suck some service dick and get one of them (Marines, Airforce, Navy) to use an F35 (which Japan also wants to buy).

https://youtu.be/1XLyCDsKhGo

Get some of that Carpenter Brute shit going.

https://youtu.be/er416Ad3R1g

[dorkidori_s13]

300z OR GET THE FUCK OUT!!!

400z sounds stupid!

Originally Posted by Corbic

And yes, call it a 300Z and offer multi tiers, Z, ZX, ZX-TT, ZX Nismo, ZX-TT Nismo (just like Dodge, Chevy and Ford).

THIS! Sooooooooooooooo much this!

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Nissan should have been drawing inspiration from the i8, Aventador, Corvette, Ferrari FS90, NSX, etc.

Not the BRZ, Zupra and 370Z.

Im sorry, this shit is dumb and unrealistic. Lol.

I agree with all that...for the GTR. You know, a super car. The Z has never been a super car. It?s a sports car.

But if its super car Z or it?s a failure, prepare to be disappointed. And again, it is Nissan so they are bound to disappoint even if your expectations are um based in reality.

Plus they already have the platform it?s based on with the Qwhatever and it can?t be more expensive and more high tech than what?s in their luxury brand version. Just none of your asks make any damn sense.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by Corbic

And yes, call it a 300Z and offer multi tiers, Z, ZX, ZX-TT, ZX Nismo, ZX-TT Nismo (just like Dodge, Chevy and Ford).
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I wholeheartedly agree with this though and have said the same thing in this thread previously.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Im sorry, this shit is dumb and unrealistic. Lol.



I agree with all that...for the GTR. You know, a super car. The Z has never been a super car. It?s a sports car.



But if its super car Z or it?s a failure, prepare to be disappointed. And again, it is Nissan so they are bound to disappoint even if your expectations are um based in reality.



Plus they already have the platform it?s based on with the Qwhatever and it can?t be more expensive and more high tech than what?s in their luxury brand version. Just none of your asks make any damn sense.

Bruh, known your history.

300ZX was part of the Japanese Super Sports cars of the 1990's. This is when all the big players dropped a hyper modern, technology pushing, and aggressively styled sports cars at 1/3 the cost of a Super Car and equal performance.

Z32 in 1989 easily surpassed almost every rival on the market. It was also on par with the GTR and won in several publication shoot outs.

I'm not saying Nissan needs a FS90 fighter, but they need to look at modern rivals, modern styling trends and work on a solution that's going to wow people. Not a nother BS Nostalgia Novelty Boomer Gimmick. (New Beetle, Mini, Fiat 500, etc).

Styling doesn't cost much. C7 and C8 have booth been mind blowing in performance and style compared to their MSRP. Cayman, Boxster, Alfa's all look like they could pass for a car costing 3x as much. Even Nissan did this with the Z32 and Z33. Everyone thought the Z33 was a $50k car since it resembled an Audi TT and a Porsche 911.

But No, Nissan keeps going to same damn poisoned well.

[Corbic]

And also, a 240Z was a modern style Ferrari, Jaguar, Daytona, Corvette knock off.

Ferrari 250 GTO



Datsun 240Z



Go rip this off please.

[exitspeed]

The original Z was mimicking sports cars from a different era. They were simpler times as well. To expect Nissan to have a car for $35k with the styling of a $200k mid engine super car car is UNREALISTIC. With the original Z we’re also we’re talking about a a sports car with an inline six that inherently HAD to have the proportions it had. That’s not the case now. I want it to have a long hood but the engine won’t force it like it did then. It’s a case of the engine informing the styling.

And again, I said they can get more creative with the styling because of recent advancements, but to expect it to look like a mid engine super car is dumb. Especially since we KNOW it’s still on the FM platform which has its own proportions.

I just think that expecting to to be anything other than a Supra competitor is ridiculous.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

The original Z was mimicking sports cars from a different era. They were simpler times as well. To expect Nissan to have a car for $35k with the styling of a $200k mid engine super car car is UNREALISTIC. With the original Z we?re also we?re talking about a a sports car with an inline six that inherently HAD to have the proportions it had. That?s not the case now. I want it to have a long hood but the engine won?t force it like it did then. It?s a case of the engine informing the styling.

And again, I said they can get more creative with the styling because of recent advancements, but to expect it to look like a mid engine super car is dumb. Especially since we KNOW it?s still on the FM platform which has its own proportions.

I just think that expecting to to be anything other than a Supra competitor is ridiculous.

Z32 looked Mid Engine, as did the Z33.

Again, proportion accordingly. I just don't want to see another IDX Retro Abortion.

Give it up, let it go.

And thinking this thing will be $35k is also ludicrous. At that point it will struggle to compete with a GT86, let alone a Mustang GT or Zupra.

Zupra is already a $60k car and it's sharing the entire car with BMW.

[mechanicalmoron]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

The original Z was mimicking sports cars from a different era. They were simpler times as well. To expect Nissan to have a car for $35k with the styling of a $200k mid engine super car car is UNREALISTIC. With the original Z we?re also we?re talking about a a sports car with an inline six that inherently HAD to have the proportions it had. That?s not the case now. I want it to have a long hood but the engine won?t force it like it did then. It?s a case of the engine informing the styling.

And again, I said they can get more creative with the styling because of recent advancements, but to expect it to look like a mid engine super car is dumb. Especially since we KNOW it?s still on the FM platform which has its own proportions.

I just think that expecting to to be anything other than a Supra competitor is ridiculous.

half the unsold last years hatchbacks you can buy now look like spaceships, the idea that they have to charge that much to make a car you don't mind being seen in is fucking dumb.

Tell Rob over in design to draw it cooler.... that's fucking it. Draw something cool, not a lump.

Nissan makes total garbage quality stuff, to be even a bit real. Datsun and the good cheap cool cars are decades gone, they make overpriced ugly flimsy crap. It would be a lot more interesting if they could settle for cheap and flimsy, cool and fast.

Nissan could take the money saved by building everyone's cars out of garbage, and make them better in other ways (ie. why should it matter where they drop the engine, except that you'll pay more if it's in the middle?) - they used to cut corners to do awesome stuff, now they cut corners to act as a money vacuum cleaner for the modern "economy", which is not about nissans strength over the next decades but about how much fake growth they can make in the next quarter, the rest be damned.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Z32 looked Mid Engine, as did the Z33.

Again, proportion accordingly. I just don't want to see another IDX Retro Abortion.

Give it up, let it go.

And thinking this thing will be $35k is also ludicrous. At that point it will struggle to compete with a GT86, let alone a Mustang GT or Zupra.

Zupra is already a $60k car and it's sharing the entire car with BMW.

You sir are actually in a minority as a lot of Z fans would love to see a return to looks similar to the original. I am sorry but you were never a z car enthusiast beyond owning a 350Z for like what 2 years? LOL

You just don?t seem to get the fact that most people loved the IDX and did not see as some kind of abortion.

You can shout about the fact that the Z was a copy a of something else but all of the Japanese cars for a long time where not immune from not copying other automakers European and American.

Z32 looked ok but some say it looked like a squashed frog
350Z look ok again styling was off neither were exactly exceptional looking.

P.S. you posted a pic of 280z calling it a 240Z sheesh you can?t even get your models straight. Lol Go home non enthusiast back to your OMG 700HP straight line Challenger.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Z32 looked Mid Engine, as did the Z33.

Again, proportion accordingly. I just don't want to see another IDX Retro Abortion.

Give it up, let it go.

And thinking this thing will be $35k is also ludicrous. At that point it will struggle to compete with a GT86, let alone a Mustang GT or Zupra.

Zupra is already a $60k car and it's sharing the entire car with BMW.

I don?t expect a new Z to be $35k. It?ll be a direct Supra competitor starting around $50k.

I?ll say what I said before, Nissan needs to reinvent itself as a niche, sports car centered brand. That doesn?t mean it doesn?t have SUVs and sedans, but they should all revolve around the brands sports cars. I suggested last week that they need a modular RWD platform and make a small RWD car, a new Z and then a GTR. Mazda announced they are doing that exact thing with the new RWD 6, CX-9 and RX-9. If Mazda can go this route, then Nissan can too. Mazda is TINY in comparison. So it?s not a financial issue. Then turn Infiniti into a direct Tesla competitor.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

You sir are actually in a minority as a lot of Z fans would love to see a return to looks similar to the original. I am sorry but you were never a z car enthusiast beyond owning a 350Z for like what 2 years? LOL

You just don?t seem to get the fact that most people loved the IDX and did not see as some kind of abortion.

You can shout about the fact that the Z was a copy a of something else but all of the Japanese cars for a long time where not immune from not copying other automakers European and American.

Z32 looked ok but some say it looked like a squashed frog
350Z look ok again styling was off neither were exactly exceptional looking.

P.S. you posted a pic of 280z calling it a 240Z sheesh you can?t even get your models straight. Lol Go home non enthusiast back to your OMG 700HP straight line Challenger.

But here's the deal. Soy Latte Sipping Car Forum Nerds don't buy cars new. All those classic Datsun fans are not going to move the needle on new car sales.

Regardless of what Zilvia, NICO and whatever blog says about the Z32 and Z33, Nissan sold a shit ton of them new.

Nissan didn't sell squat for the retro 370Z. And for the IDX... It's internal competitor the Juke is like Nissans biggest seller.

Where are all those guys swearing they'd buy a GT86, Turbo-4 IRS Mustang/Camaro, Stinger or a Genesis Coupe? Still driving that $8k used car after seeing the $30k sticker.

[exitspeed]

The price tags of the vehicles don't scare me at all. I was super close to pulling the trigger on the Stinger but I couldn't get my wife to see past the badge. If the next gen 86 is indeed a 250hp turbo, I'm in. If the IDX would have came out I would have bought one 100%.


In other news, the Supra went from 335 horsepower and 365 pound-feet of torque, to 382 horsepower and 368 pound-feet of torque. I'd be kinda bummed if I bought the first year now. Eeek. But it's good to see them bumping up the hp so much and so quickly.