Donald Trump For President

[spooled240]

We answered your question before. A wall provides border security much like how your front door with a lock provides security for you house. Its a very simple concept lol.

You cited sources which were either biased sources that cherry-picked data or self-contradictory to your claims. I simply am just not convinced that having sections of our border wide open has no detrimental impact to our country.

Anyways, I'm burned out on this wall issue. Let's just go back to arguing about our cheap Nissans lol.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

While every is sitting here arguing about a literally useless wall, Russia just withdrew from the Nuclear treaty

Russia and NK have slowly been building up their Nuclear arsenal while the trump admin have basically handed them the keys to the castle.

Unreal........

Didn't Hilary and Obama smash that reset button and Hillary was overseeing the deal to sign over US Uranium mines to Russia?

#inconvienttruth

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

Front doors with locks don't provide much security. Locks are easily picked. Doors are easily kicked down. Windows are easily broken. Etc.



It is all about the illusion of safety.



Just like this idiotic wall. Republicans are terrified of the world outside their front door so they want a wall on the border, though they'll still be terrified of the nearest major city.

So you don't ever lock your car, your phone or your apartment? Just throw your hands up and not give a shit?

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

Ok, so I am going to ask this question one last time, as both Spool and Corbic have decided that completely ignore the question

Answer the question - magic wand to deport and block all illegal aliens... Is it okay to use it?

All I see you and Gabby doing is crying and throwing up a million excuses to do nothing.

Oh no, Russia has nuked, can't build a wall.

Oh no, someone smuggled drugs in via ship at that NY port... Wall no good?!

Oh no, someone will have to maitian the wall... Let not do that!

See! Keeping illegals out is just to much work! We need reform! Just let them fill out a request form online and we'll mail them a SSN and citizenship papers free of charge! We'll even give them a free bus ride into thr country.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[RalliartRsX]

Originally Posted by Corbic

So you don't ever lock your car, your phone or your apartment? Just throw your hands up and not give a shit?

That's 100% straw man argument......

Small time burglar is not even remotely the same as someone fleeing from persecution or drug lords taking your kids to use as mules, murdering the family and sex trafficking women.

I've seen that argument time and time again, and it is invalid to the discussion at hand.

Thanks for playing......

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

So if armed guys guarding the border is good enough for recowardicans, does that mean we can get rid of 2A? Just build walls around each of your houses to help with your fear of the world?

Only if I can then have an armed Escort....

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

That's 100% straw man argument......



Small time burglar is not even remotely the same as someone fleeing from persecution or drug lords taking your kids to use as mules, murdering the family and sex trafficking women.



I've seen that argument time and time again, and it is invalid to the discussion at hand.



Thanks for playing......

No, claiming that every illegal alien ever is a refugee fleeing certain death is a straw man argument.

First - even if true, so what. We have Zero obligation to allow them admittance and take care of them. There are millions of actual Americans living in poverty, suffering from crime and domestic violence. Take care of. Our own first.

Second - so was Trump wrong for calling Hati a shit hole? Because you are litterally making thr argument that Latin America is a steaming pile of shit and its people deserve refugee status...



One of the wealthiest cities in America, so bleeding heart they welcome illegals with open arms, but can't even figure out how to deal with homeless shiting on sidewalks and dumping dirty needles in parks.


So I'm assuming you are against my magic wand then?

[spooled240]

Originally Posted by Corbic

No, claiming that every illegal alien ever is a refugee fleeing certain death is a straw man argument.

First - even if true, so what. We have Zero obligation to allow them admittance and take care of them. There are millions of actual Americans living in poverty, suffering from crime and domestic violence. Take care of. Our own first.

or, I don't know..maybe we should take care of the thousands of homeless veterans first? You'd think those that served this country would have some priority if we are going to start a nationwide charity.

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

Just build walls around each of your houses to help with your fear of the world?

Yes, there's a wall around my apartment complex. There's also a wall around my workplace to prevent unauthorized personnel on site. We are all deathly afraid of the world lol


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I don't suppose you guys support the new proposed abortion bill? The same people talking about being empathetic towards people on the other side of a border are ok with killing people on the other side of a womb.

[Corbic]

Back to my very simple question.

If we could wave a magic wand and poof - all illegal aliens, of all types and origins, sent home and poof, nermver again will someone enter illegally or over stay a visa.


Do you support the magic wand, if not, why?

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

No.

I like some of 21 Savage's music.

I like contributions to this country that other people who have come to this country illegally have made.

They don't have a problem with me, I don't have a problem with them.

So then how can I take a single argument you've made against the wall seriously?


That's like asking a bank robber if banks should have security cameras and locking vaults.

Latin America is never going to fix their own damn problems if they don't step up and actually try. Their is absolutely no reason Mexico should be poor.

If Mexico was run by the US it would be Arizona and Texas.

Should we invade Mexico so we can fix them and at least reap the rewards?

[RalliartRsX]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Back to my very simple question.

If we could wave a magic wand and poof - all illegal aliens, of all types and origins, sent home and poof, nermver again will someone enter illegally or over stay a visa.


Do you support the magic wand, if not, why?

No, because simply; This country was built by and off the backs of immigrants. This country literally WOULD NOT exist without immigrants. Your $4-$5 bags of apples would be close to $8-$9 without immigrants farming your land.........and trump wouldn't have any of his past 3 wives if it wasn't for immigrants.........and trump wouldn't have workers for his golf course if it wasn't for immigrants........

And most of all, if it wasn't for immigrants, we wouldn't have your dear lord in savior.........trump to be president if it wasn't for trump's grandfather immigrating to the US........

https://www.politico.eu/article/dona...ers-kallstadt/

But hey, who cares about facts or history, right??

He (trump's grandfather) entered the U.S. through official channels, but he had left Bavaria illegally. “Both he and his mother must have known that he would not have been granted official permission to leave the country unless he had paid a bail guaranteeing that he would later return to do his mandatory military service,” said Roland Paul, the recently-retired director of the Institute for Palatinate Regional History and Folklife Studies in the city of Kaiserslautern.

Life grandfather like....grandson?? lol

Originally Posted by spooled240

We answered your question before. A wall provides border security much like how your front door with a lock provides security for you house. Its a very simple concept lol.

You cited sources which were either biased sources that cherry-picked data or self-contradictory to your claims. I simply am just not convinced that having sections of our border wide open has no detrimental impact to our country.

Anyways, I'm burned out on this wall issue. Let's just go back to arguing about our cheap Nissans lol.

You have not answered the question at all apart from random images.

Also, if you consider the DEA and the Fence Act "biased sources", then you have a very basic or lack of understanding what are FACTUAL sources of information.......

Good luck to you both.......

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

No, because simply; This country was built by and off the backs of immigrants. This country literally WOULD NOT exist without immigrants. Your $4-$5 bags of apples would be close to $8-$9 without immigrants farming your land.........and trump wouldn't have any of his past 3 wives if it wasn't for immigrants.........and trump wouldn't have workers for his golf course if it wasn't for immigrants..........

Key Word "Immigrant", not "Illegal Immigrants".

With that, not once have I, Trump or anyone advocated against legal Immigration. We have over 1.5 million legal immigrants entering this country legally every year.

Legally.

Also, the idiotic notion of "we'll we're all immigrants" is just that, idiotic.

The vast magority of the original colonizers came when this place was just a 3rd world shit hole.

They left what was essentially the first world to come here and build something without the restrictions of theocratic monarchies and autocratic dictatorships. They took what was nothing and made it into thr greatest country this world has ever seen.

Those coming here did not come here because it was easier, but because they wanted to be part of something great. They changed their last names and learned an entire new language to become citizens of a new country.

Todau we have unchecked hoards of illeterate 3rd world migrants wanting to move in and live in somewgat marginally better form of poverty. They don't want to assimilate.

If these migrants are so awesome, then why are they not transforming thier own nations into 1st world nations?

Mexico is rich in natural resources, oil, agriculture, huge coast lines, no hostile enemies, situated next to a weathy trading pattern.

Why is Canada, a frozen shit hole, able to do so well but Mexico can't?

Why is Australia so much better off then Africa despite having fewer resources, being further from trading partners and the same style climate?

Why, with all that oil and agriculture and mineral deposits is Venezuela broke and starving to death?

Why is Florida so fucking awesome and Cuba so fucking lame?

Hmmmm?

You'll never better your self if your parents always do your homework for you....

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

I give up.

I feel bad for you man.

I sincerely hope someday you can stop being terrified of everyone who doesn't look just like you.

You view immigrants as a threat yet you're comfortable with ending a nuclear arms treaty.

You view a wall as something that protects you yet you're okay with speeding headfirst towards a climate crisis.

I pity you.

Basiless assumptions.

"climate change" isn't going to be stopped by giving out exhaust tickets or freaking out that someone has a Cobb access port.

You want to stop Climate change? Then why do you want to bring hundreds of millions of people from the 3rd world to the 1st world. Living in the first world astronomically increases the per person carbon foot print. You should be advocating to force these people to stay put and begin mass sterilization plans and "one child" policies to bring the world population down.

As for your hysterics about fear and xenophobia, sounds like you've never left California and clearly don't know me.

I have two froriegn adopted siblings who are not my race and my wife is a legal immigrant. I grew up in Europe and have been there over a dozen times in just the last few years. I've also traveled to Africa, the Middle East and have been to central Asia/Europe and Eastern Europe plenty.

I've even been to Canuckastan and live in thr Communist Republic of Kalifornia as a child.

If you continue to bring millions of people into the United States, who don't want to assymulate, who want to bring with them the socliaist idealogoy and government policies they are fleeing and instatue them there... If you continue to run propaganda against the wealthy, free thinkers and industrialists... Well then we will cease to be the United States and end up as "North Mexico" or "The People's Republic of American".

[RalliartRsX]

Corbic, DHS states Asylum seekers and refugees ARE legal forms of immigration......


If you prefer to make up your own definition to mold it to whatever you are trying to state, I advise you take up the issue with DHS.....

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

Corbic, DHS states Asylum seekers and refugees ARE legal forms of immigration......


If you prefer to make up your own definition to mold it to whatever you are trying to state, I advise you take up the issue with DHS.....

Yup and Mexicans don't count as refugees or asylum seekers. If you want to throw out these rules, then you should prolly follow them.

There is an entire process to apply for refugee status or asylum. This process doesn't involve illegal entry and getting a job with a stolen social security card or over staying a tourist/student visa.

The other problem with asylum/refugees is.. When the fuck do they go back?

Where did all thr Russian Refugees go during WW2? Where did all the Korean Refugees go during their Civil War? Where did the American Refugees go in 1861?

Also, since Cheeto Hitler took over, shouldn't everyone be fleeing America seeking asylum in Canada, California and Mexico?

Seems like California's are in mass fleeing their own shit hole state for states that where once solid red or at list very libertarian. Hmmmm

[RalliartRsX]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Yup and Mexicans don't count as refugees or asylum seekers. If you want to throw out these rules, then you should prolly follow them.

Can you please point out in the law or directive specifically from DHS where it explicitly states this??

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

Can you please point out in the law or directive specifically from DHS where it explicitly states this??

DHS does not control immigration. USCIS does.

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/r...-determination

[RalliartRsX]

OK. And there is no where it states explicitly that immigrants for Mexico will not be granted refugee status according to that link from USCIS. As I stated "law or directive from DHS" if you took the time to read my post.....


Again, Corbic I'll ask again as you seem jell bent on refusing to answer questions; can you explicitly call out where in the law it states immigrants from Mexico will be denied refugee or asylum status?? You have yet to proof this statement you have made.....

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

OK. And there is no where it states explicitly that immigrants for Mexico will not be granted refugee status according to that link from USCIS. As I stated "law or directive from DHS" if you took the time to read my post.....


Again, Corbic I'll ask again as you seem jell bent on refusing to answer questions; can you explicitly call out where in the law it states immigrants from Mexico will be denied refugee or asylum status?? You have yet to proof this statement you have made.....

Please show me where it states they are?

Even so, that has NOTHING to do with illegal immigration. If they are a qualifying refugee or asylum seeker, they can follow the specifically spelled out application process on the link I provided and gain entry legally.

Your refugee argument is a distractuonary strawman argument.

[RalliartRsX]

OK so what you're saying is, against your initial statement, there is no where in the law where it states Mexican immigrants are specifically not allowed refugee or asylum status. This is 100% contradictory to your opinion of the law.....good.

Thanks for (finally) answering the question and clearing that up
Cheers

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

OK so what you're saying is, against your initial statement, there is no where in the law where it states Mexican immigrants are specifically not allowed refugee or asylum status. This is 100% contradictory to your opinion of the law.....good.

Thanks for (finally) answering the question and clearing that up
Cheers

Are you Autistic?..

Your question and statements are irrelevant and completely miss the point.

There are no "laws" that have expressly written which country or ethnic group qualifies for refugee or asylum status.

That said, Mexico doesn't fucking qualify.

Don't belive me, Google it.

I find this amusing however:

You have Trump calling Haiti and Africa a shithole and the left melts down and says that's not true. The left then cries that those people deserve asylum because they live in shithole countries...

The Left wants Communism/Socialism and cries the US is an awful racist bigoted patriarchal Nazi state.... But that we should let in thr 10's of millions of immigrants from communist/socialist nations....

[Corbic]

So just to revise the major bullet points.


Gabby and Ralli are against the Wall.

They argue the wall is a waste of money and won't impact illegal immigration nor drug trafficking.

They also both admit to support open boarders and unrestricted immigration.

Gabby feels the wall is a waste because he is more concerned about global warming, despite the fact that increasing living standards of hundreds of millions of people will exponentially increase the speed of global warming.

Gabby thinks we need guns to protect ourselves from illegal aliens.

Ralli considers Mexico a 3rd world shithole on par with war torn Afghanistan, Syria or Sudan.

Neither want to discuss how to make Mexico a better country and lift its self up out of poverty, corruption and stagnation. #MakeMexicoGreatAlready #MMGA

Am I missing anything?

[RalliartRsX]

Dude

Holy crap. Man, have a good day dude. I would hate to be the one responsible for your brain aneurysm

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

Holy shit you're an idiot.



Yes, the guy who hates guns & wants them all melted wants more guns.



I sincerely worry about every person you come into contact with at any point in the future, as well those you've previously interacted with.

Did you not say if we built the wall and had no Illegal Immigration we would not need guys anymore?

I love the liberal logic though...

+300 million guns in this country and if one is used in a crime "omfg melt them all down!!!".


Show any crime statistic corrolating to social, economic, or ethnic class and "Holy fuck how dare you generalize!!"

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope