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2fast4y0u · 10-22-2009, 04:36 PM

i align my CAS the same way the FSM says. cam lobes, timing chain and plug gap...all to spec.
the car wont run. if i turnt he CAS just a little, car runs top notch. Maybe i am doing something wrong...maybe im not.
take it to your tuner and let him make adjustments. then report back to us on how he fixed it because i would like to know.

im not being a d*ck or being sarcastic either. its hard to tell if people are being asshats in type, but i want to assure u i am not.
i really want to know how to fix this problem properly if i am doing it wrong

jspaeth · 10-22-2009, 06:40 PM

I understand you are not being an ass hat ahhah.

I will ask my tuner about this. I am certain he can answer this question correctly.

I am sure if John or Steve chime in on this, one of them will know.

bl3ujay07 · 10-23-2009, 02:27 AM

Quick question, who here uses circuit sport turbo lines with their gt2871r with restrictor?

jspaeth · 10-23-2009, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2fast4y0u

i align my CAS the same way the FSM says. cam lobes, timing chain and plug gap...all to spec.
the car wont run. if i turnt he CAS just a little, car runs top notch. Maybe i am doing something wrong...maybe im not.
take it to your tuner and let him make adjustments. then report back to us on how he fixed it because i would like to know.

im not being a d*ck or being sarcastic either. its hard to tell if people are being asshats in type, but i want to assure u i am not.
i really want to know how to fix this problem properly if i am doing it wrong

I talked to one of the members on here who is a VERY experienced tuner, and he confirmed that my outlook on the situation is correct.

The timing in a map is RELATIVE to where the CAS is when you put it in with the pulley set to TDC.

You may be getting better performance gains by rotating your CAS with the new cams, bc the cams very well may want more timing.

All I am saying is that the proper way to do it is to do the timing one each cell one by one.

If you rotate the CAS and THEN get tuned, you better be damn sure you put it back in the EXACT same way....

I would suggest taking a razor or something that can make a very thin line on metal, and drawing a line from the flange on the head to the housing flange so that you can "line" the two marks up when you go to put it back on.

djcobra · 10-23-2009, 11:31 AM

No need to mark with a Razor, thats why we have timing guns. You said that you talked to 'Very' experienced Tuner, well I got my car Tuned by a Legit HKS Pro Dealer/Tuner here in Calgary; so I take his word when it comes to tuning. I've even talked to SteveShadows via email about this matter, he even said let the car warm up, and set timing to 15* and walk away. Whatever, each to their own...

Steve.

jspaeth · 10-23-2009, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djcobra

No need to mark with a Razor, thats why we have timing guns. You said that you talked to 'Very' experienced Tuner, well I got my car Tuned by a Legit HKS Pro Dealer/Tuner here in Calgary; so I take his word when it comes to tuning. I've even talked to SteveShadows via email about this matter, he even said let the car warm up, and set timing to 15* and walk away. Whatever, each to their own...

Steve.

That is EXACTLY what you are doing by setting the CAS to factory setting!!!!!!!!

The mating marks are set up so that the spark timing on the first setting (with stock ECU) would be at 15*!!!!!!

johngriff · 10-23-2009, 01:28 PM

Yes.

Set the CAS to the factory setting, and never move it away from there.

If you want to adjust timing, buy an EMS system that will adjust the timing. This is Nissan ECCS electronic fuel and ignition control system, not a 350 chevy, or a 67 VW bus.

There is two signals out of the cas, the home window which has 4 open windows, and the trigger window, which has 360(iirc) and sets the time for the cam. The home window represents TDC on each cylinder, and the ecu counts the teeth offset from the home window on the trigger setting to time the injection of fuel and ignition.

So you MUST have the CAS set correctly at 15* so that the home window is aligned with the engines mechanical TDC, otherwise you are "skew-ing" so many things accross the maps that its un-reliable and potentially dangerous.

This also ties into my criticism of AEM, Autronic, Electromotive, Motec etc, that require you to change CAS wheels to those ultra low resolution wheels. Their delivery is only based on the home window + accel rate to time ignition and fuel angle, which is EXTREMELY UNRELIABLE.

jspaeth · 10-23-2009, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johngriff

Yes.

Set the CAS to the factory setting, and never move it away from there.

If you want to adjust timing, buy an EMS system that will adjust the timing. This is Nissan ECCS electronic fuel and ignition control system, not a 350 chevy, or a 67 VW bus.

There is two signals out of the cas, the home window which has 4 open windows, and the trigger window, which has 360(iirc) and sets the time for the cam. The home window represents TDC on each cylinder, and the ecu counts the teeth offset from the home window on the trigger setting to time the injection of fuel and ignition.

So you MUST have the CAS set correctly at 15* so that the home window is aligned with the engines mechanical TDC, otherwise you are "skew-ing" so many things accross the maps that its un-reliable and potentially dangerous.

This also ties into my criticism of AEM, Autronic, Electromotive, Motec etc, that require you to change CAS wheels to those ultra low resolution wheels. Their delivery is only based on the home window + accel rate to time ignition and fuel angle, which is EXTREMELY UNRELIABLE.

ahhhh thank you.

2fast4y0u · 10-25-2009, 07:28 PM

damn guys! i have learned so much in the last few days about timing...im glad we are having this discussion. i will be rotating to TDC and resetting my CAS.
hopefully i get some better results

jspaeth · 10-25-2009, 08:27 PM

For anyone who is interested,

I got tuned on Saturday....let's just say I have never felt more let down in my life....I was so excited and so proud of all the work/money/time/research I did this time around...

And, with cams and IM added, I made 20 ft-lbs LESS torque, and it came in 800 RPM later.

At the end of the day, I just spent $2000, 60-70 hours of hard work, and dozens more hours reading and researching this setup, only to end up practically LOSING performance.

When the digital version of the dyno chart is available, I will post it, along with my old dyno in my "build" thread.

I feel like something is wrong with my car....something is just not adding up....it drives beautifully and the tune is excellent....let me remind you that the guy that tuned the car is one of the nation's best.

I am clueless, dumbfounded, depressed, let down, pissed off....

If anyone can help me figure out why this happened, I would really appreciate your eyes/brains in my other thread.

Fuck my life

steve shadows · 10-25-2009, 11:26 PM

Please follow up with via PM

I want to help you out, lets setup another 21 dollar consultation session.

Before we do check the following

- camshaft timing
- compression test
- check your plugs see what they look like, take picture of the tips if you can so you can email me for evaluation
- you're using a Power FC right?
- also if you can send me your maps that you currently have I will evaluate them and correct them for free included in the total rate
- I want to help you get this right seriousl!!!!

jspaeth · 10-26-2009, 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve shadows

Please follow up with via PM

I want to help you out, lets setup another 21 dollar consultation session.

Before we do check the following

- camshaft timing
- compression test
- check your plugs see what they look like, take picture of the tips if you can so you can email me for evaluation
- you're using a Power FC right?
- also if you can send me your maps that you currently have I will evaluate them and correct them for free included in the total rate
- I want to help you get this right seriousl!!!!

If I ever get Dataloggit, I will be able to do that Steve.

I really don't think it's the tune. The guy that tuned my car has been able to get very nice numbers and tq curves out of cars with the same setup.

This is what I WANTED to have....but didn't achieve.....SAME EXACT FUCKING MODIFICATIONS, TOO!:

evans tuning forums :: View topic - s14, blacktop swap, gt2871r, HKS 264s, 380whp/325tq, Power F

Additionally, the initial tune he did for me when I just had the turbo, but no cams or IM was DEFINITELY better than most and came in earlier than other dynos I've seen with that same setup.

I will PM you though.

EDIT:

There should be no reason that these cams need degreeing with adjustable cam gears right? As far as I know, the HKS Step 2's you just drop them in and they are good to go, right?

slider2828 · 10-26-2009, 03:21 PM

Damn bro those are great numbers... what did you have in mind... Look at that flat torque curve... is that on a dyno dynamics? numbers are so different between different dynos. THanks!

EDIT**** O woops I thought that was your dyno sheet....

jspaeth · 10-26-2009, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slider2828

Damn bro those are great numbers... what did you have in mind... Look at that flat torque curve... is that on a dyno dynamics? numbers are so different between different dynos. THanks!

EDIT**** O woops I thought that was your dyno sheet....

Hahaha yeah I know, I wish.....

I drove the car last night, and it FEELS faster than it did before, but that might just be me getting used to being able to make power at higher revs.

grrrr.. i want him to post the digital image of the dyno sheet so i can show everyone and then be laughed at.

steve shadows · 10-26-2009, 09:59 PM

Seriosuly though, let's schedule another consultation over the phone.

Something is amiss and I will bet you the 21 bucks back that it is something that I can figure out over the phone with another 2 hour conversation, maybe tomorrow night or something.

I want to go over the following in the call
-exact setup in the past
-exact changes now
-exact installation procedure

etc etc etc.

I dont have quite enough time to go over it and give you my full un-divided attention in the public space so lmk

+Waldo+ · 10-28-2009, 11:16 AM

I just ordered my cams so im finally feeling like im going for real in this set-up. only thing i need now are injectors and the actual turbo. where are you guys ordering yours through? Im looking for the .64 with 56trim and 3inch inlet on compressor housing...

setup will be(*still need)
z32 maf
tomei 256 poncams
megan tubular mani, with custom ex WG flange
tial 38mm WG, with straight dump
pretty fresh rebuild on redtop with 9:1
Apexi MHG
trust 3inch DP, through full 3inch exhuast
and either sti 550's or a set of 740's*

hoping for around 350 at around a bar+
anything else i should be watching for?

jspaeth · 10-28-2009, 11:24 AM

Go with 740cc for sure. Also will help if you ever decide to throw on a bigger turbo.

Why only 256s? I thought Tomeis came in 10 degree increments 250 260 270 280?

+Waldo+ · 10-28-2009, 03:39 PM

nope, they had 256/260's and 270's

and i didnt budget for upgrading my valvetrain, which i think would be smart for going with a bigger cam...

phase2motortrend.com is having a sale though on their tomei's get any one of the pairs i said earlier for 4 hundred.

there are alot of guys running the set-up though with stock cams, so i figured a slight bump would be pretty good. how much you think it will hurt me as far as shooting for around 370?

jspaeth · 10-28-2009, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by +Waldo+

nope, they had 256/260's and 270's

and i didnt budget for upgrading my valvetrain, which i think would be smart for going with a bigger cam...

phase2motortrend.com is having a sale though on their tomei's get any one of the pairs i said earlier for 4 hundred.

there are alot of guys running the set-up though with stock cams, so i figured a slight bump would be pretty good. how much you think it will hurt me as far as shooting for around 370?

A really good price.......FRSport has the BC Spring/Retainer kit for $200 total!

The coil bind and spring pressure are really good on those....someone one FA I think independently tested a bunch of brands (HKS, GRedddy, Ferrea, BC, etc.) and the BCs only came in second to the Ferreas, which are way more expensive.

I don't know a whole lot about the Tomei cams.....I know that ramp rate is very important in addition to just max lift.....maybe someone else will have something to say about that.

Many of the cars making high hp on GT2871r are doing so with 264 cams or somewhere near there.....you don't really NEED 270 or 272 with this turbo, from what I've read/seen.

+Waldo+ · 10-28-2009, 04:15 PM

yea, i got yah. well i hope it works out, because cams are already on the way here...

where did you guys all get your turbo from?

jspaeth · 10-28-2009, 04:48 PM

I bought mine from the guy who tuned my car, as he deals directly with ATP and Garrett...he was able to give me a pretty good price....

I think I paid like $1000 or so?

garagelu · 10-28-2009, 05:08 PM

I got my 2871r from hybridynamics a couple years back. They were going for 1150 or so with free shipping. Looks for a place that has free shipping. Shipping kills on heavy turbos.

+Waldo+ · 10-28-2009, 07:11 PM

true, thats about what im finding them for.

2fast4y0u · 10-29-2009, 06:06 AM

i got mine from Touge Factory. im local to them and i got it for like 1200 but no tax and i bought over $2500 worth of stuff that day so i got 10% off.
im running hks 264 step 2 with mine and also have ferrea valve train. Cant go wrong!

s15specR · 10-29-2009, 08:43 AM

I got mine from MTR (manictechracing.com) Racing in Florida, its a precision turbo with garrett cartridge etc. It was around $1100 he also said Precision offered a warranty on those, not sure how that worked out though.

+Waldo+ · 10-29-2009, 01:04 PM

mazworks here in fl has the one im looking for for just above 1100. i guess ill hop on that

+Waldo+ · 10-29-2009, 10:44 PM

well sorry to whore up the thread haha, ordered my turbo through mazworks... right at 1200 ugh. got a call from phase2motortrend too and they dont have my cam's so im back on the hunt for those. just need those and some 740's and the set-up is ready for a tune

2fast4y0u · 10-30-2009, 05:51 AM

maybe its a sign that you should go with a different cam?

OBEEWON · 10-30-2009, 06:59 AM

Holy crap. I just found out why my turbo sucks...or doesnt suck enough.

2fast4y0u · 10-30-2009, 07:00 AM

what are you waiting for????
TELL US!

10-22-2009, 06:40 PM	#1142
jspaeth Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Philadelphia suburbs Age: 40 Posts: 2,347 Trader Rating: (7) Rides Gallery: jspaeth Feedback Score: 7 reviews	I understand you are not being an ass hat ahhah. I will ask my tuner about this. I am certain he can answer this question correctly. I am sure if John or Steve chime in on this, one of them will know. __________________ Daily driven

10-23-2009, 11:31 AM	#1145
djcobra Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Calgary Age: 45 Posts: 306 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	No need to mark with a Razor, thats why we have timing guns. You said that you talked to 'Very' experienced Tuner, well I got my car Tuned by a Legit HKS Pro Dealer/Tuner here in Calgary; so I take his word when it comes to tuning. I've even talked to SteveShadows via email about this matter, he even said let the car warm up, and set timing to 15* and walk away. Whatever, each to their own... Steve. __________________ S14 326 whp, 311 tq @ 15 psi HKS F-CON V-PRO

10-23-2009, 01:28 PM	#1147
johngriff Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 4,103 Trader Rating: (4) Rides Gallery: johngriff Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Yes. Set the CAS to the factory setting, and never move it away from there. If you want to adjust timing, buy an EMS system that will adjust the timing. This is Nissan ECCS electronic fuel and ignition control system, not a 350 chevy, or a 67 VW bus. There is two signals out of the cas, the home window which has 4 open windows, and the trigger window, which has 360(iirc) and sets the time for the cam. The home window represents TDC on each cylinder, and the ecu counts the teeth offset from the home window on the trigger setting to time the injection of fuel and ignition. So you MUST have the CAS set correctly at 15* so that the home window is aligned with the engines mechanical TDC, otherwise you are "skew-ing" so many things accross the maps that its un-reliable and potentially dangerous. This also ties into my criticism of AEM, Autronic, Electromotive, Motec etc, that require you to change CAS wheels to those ultra low resolution wheels. Their delivery is only based on the home window + accel rate to time ignition and fuel angle, which is EXTREMELY UNRELIABLE. __________________ [email protected]

10-25-2009, 08:27 PM	#1150
jspaeth Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Philadelphia suburbs Age: 40 Posts: 2,347 Trader Rating: (7) Rides Gallery: jspaeth Feedback Score: 7 reviews	For anyone who is interested, I got tuned on Saturday....let's just say I have never felt more let down in my life....I was so excited and so proud of all the work/money/time/research I did this time around... And, with cams and IM added, I made 20 ft-lbs LESS torque, and it came in 800 RPM later. At the end of the day, I just spent $2000, 60-70 hours of hard work, and dozens more hours reading and researching this setup, only to end up practically LOSING performance. When the digital version of the dyno chart is available, I will post it, along with my old dyno in my "build" thread. I feel like something is wrong with my car....something is just not adding up....it drives beautifully and the tune is excellent....let me remind you that the guy that tuned the car is one of the nation's best. I am clueless, dumbfounded, depressed, let down, pissed off.... If anyone can help me figure out why this happened, I would really appreciate your eyes/brains in my other thread. Fuck my life __________________ Daily driven

10-25-2009, 11:26 PM	#1151
steve shadows Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: LA and OC Posts: 8,202 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	Please follow up with via PM I want to help you out, lets setup another 21 dollar consultation session. Before we do check the following - camshaft timing - compression test - check your plugs see what they look like, take picture of the tips if you can so you can email me for evaluation - you're using a Power FC right? - also if you can send me your maps that you currently have I will evaluate them and correct them for free included in the total rate - I want to help you get this right seriousl!!!! __________________ Like Me on FaceBook !

10-22-2009, 04:36 PM	#1141
2fast4y0u Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: 50 miles west of chicago Posts: 1,186 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	i align my CAS the same way the FSM says. cam lobes, timing chain and plug gap...all to spec. the car wont run. if i turnt he CAS just a little, car runs top notch. Maybe i am doing something wrong...maybe im not. take it to your tuner and let him make adjustments. then report back to us on how he fixed it because i would like to know. im not being a d*ck or being sarcastic either. its hard to tell if people are being asshats in type, but i want to assure u i am not. i really want to know how to fix this problem properly if i am doing it wrong

10-23-2009, 02:27 AM	#1143
bl3ujay07 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: norcal(209) and socal(805) Posts: 691 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	Quick question, who here uses circuit sport turbo lines with their gt2871r with restrictor?

10-25-2009, 07:28 PM	#1149
2fast4y0u Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: 50 miles west of chicago Posts: 1,186 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	damn guys! i have learned so much in the last few days about timing...im glad we are having this discussion. i will be rotating to TDC and resetting my CAS. hopefully i get some better results

10-26-2009, 03:21 PM	#1153
slider2828 Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 5,998 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	Damn bro those are great numbers... what did you have in mind... Look at that flat torque curve... is that on a dyno dynamics? numbers are so different between different dynos. THanks! EDIT**** O woops I thought that was your dyno sheet.... __________________ Turn and Burn!

10-26-2009, 09:59 PM	#1155
steve shadows Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: LA and OC Posts: 8,202 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	Seriosuly though, let's schedule another consultation over the phone. Something is amiss and I will bet you the 21 bucks back that it is something that I can figure out over the phone with another 2 hour conversation, maybe tomorrow night or something. I want to go over the following in the call -exact setup in the past -exact changes now -exact installation procedure etc etc etc. I dont have quite enough time to go over it and give you my full un-divided attention in the public space so lmk __________________ Like Me on FaceBook !

10-28-2009, 11:16 AM	#1156
+Waldo+ Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Sunshine State Age: 34 Posts: 297 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	I just ordered my cams so im finally feeling like im going for real in this set-up. only thing i need now are injectors and the actual turbo. where are you guys ordering yours through? Im looking for the .64 with 56trim and 3inch inlet on compressor housing... setup will be(still need) z32 maf tomei 256 poncams megan tubular mani, with custom ex WG flange tial 38mm WG, with straight dump pretty fresh rebuild on redtop with 9:1 Apexi MHG trust 3inch DP, through full 3inch exhuast and either sti 550's or a set of 740's hoping for around 350 at around a bar+ anything else i should be watching for? __________________

10-28-2009, 11:24 AM	#1157
jspaeth Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Philadelphia suburbs Age: 40 Posts: 2,347 Trader Rating: (7) Rides Gallery: jspaeth Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Go with 740cc for sure. Also will help if you ever decide to throw on a bigger turbo. Why only 256s? I thought Tomeis came in 10 degree increments 250 260 270 280? __________________ Daily driven

10-28-2009, 03:39 PM	#1158
+Waldo+ Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Sunshine State Age: 34 Posts: 297 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	nope, they had 256/260's and 270's and i didnt budget for upgrading my valvetrain, which i think would be smart for going with a bigger cam... phase2motortrend.com is having a sale though on their tomei's get any one of the pairs i said earlier for 4 hundred. there are alot of guys running the set-up though with stock cams, so i figured a slight bump would be pretty good. how much you think it will hurt me as far as shooting for around 370? __________________

10-28-2009, 04:15 PM	#1160
+Waldo+ Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Sunshine State Age: 34 Posts: 297 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	yea, i got yah. well i hope it works out, because cams are already on the way here... where did you guys all get your turbo from? __________________

10-28-2009, 04:48 PM	#1161
jspaeth Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Philadelphia suburbs Age: 40 Posts: 2,347 Trader Rating: (7) Rides Gallery: jspaeth Feedback Score: 7 reviews	I bought mine from the guy who tuned my car, as he deals directly with ATP and Garrett...he was able to give me a pretty good price.... I think I paid like $1000 or so? __________________ Daily driven

10-28-2009, 05:08 PM	#1162
garagelu Nissanaholic! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Age: 39 Posts: 1,856 Trader Rating: (60) Feedback Score: 60 reviews	I got my 2871r from hybridynamics a couple years back. They were going for 1150 or so with free shipping. Looks for a place that has free shipping. Shipping kills on heavy turbos.

10-28-2009, 07:11 PM	#1163
+Waldo+ Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Sunshine State Age: 34 Posts: 297 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	true, thats about what im finding them for. __________________

10-29-2009, 06:06 AM	#1164
2fast4y0u Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: 50 miles west of chicago Posts: 1,186 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	i got mine from Touge Factory. im local to them and i got it for like 1200 but no tax and i bought over $2500 worth of stuff that day so i got 10% off. im running hks 264 step 2 with mine and also have ferrea valve train. Cant go wrong!

10-29-2009, 08:43 AM	#1165
s15specR Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: USA Posts: 1,022 Trader Rating: (18) Feedback Score: 18 reviews	I got mine from MTR (manictechracing.com) Racing in Florida, its a precision turbo with garrett cartridge etc. It was around $1100 he also said Precision offered a warranty on those, not sure how that worked out though.

10-29-2009, 01:04 PM	#1166
+Waldo+ Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Sunshine State Age: 34 Posts: 297 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	mazworks here in fl has the one im looking for for just above 1100. i guess ill hop on that __________________

10-29-2009, 10:44 PM	#1167
+Waldo+ Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Sunshine State Age: 34 Posts: 297 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	well sorry to whore up the thread haha, ordered my turbo through mazworks... right at 1200 ugh. got a call from phase2motortrend too and they dont have my cam's so im back on the hunt for those. just need those and some 740's and the set-up is ready for a tune __________________

10-30-2009, 05:51 AM	#1168
2fast4y0u Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: 50 miles west of chicago Posts: 1,186 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	maybe its a sign that you should go with a different cam?

10-30-2009, 06:59 AM	#1169
OBEEWON Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Hightened State of Emergency Posts: 6,053 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	Holy crap. I just found out why my turbo sucks...or doesnt suck enough. __________________

10-30-2009, 07:00 AM	#1170
2fast4y0u Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: 50 miles west of chicago Posts: 1,186 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	what are you waiting for???? TELL US!