The Future Automotive Thread

[gbaby2089]

"Don't adopt this new, more efficient technology because the existing infrastructure is dirty"

Why don't we.......*gasp*.......spend on a cleaner electrical infrastructure.

[simmode1]

*cough*hydrogen*cough*

Originally Posted by C&D article

The Chinese have secured extensive mining rights in Africa. In Congo, for example, cobalt is mined under the most brutal conditions.

Unrelated sidenote: This pisses me off so much.

[altitude]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

https://blog.caranddriver.com/former...n-ev-adoption/

Some eye opening insights in regard to EVs from one of the industry’s greats.

To me it looks like he's spewing quite a bit of FUD.

Eg:

you can never reach the range, efficiency, and safety of a combustion engine powered by fossil fuel

We could say similar things to some degree for motorcycles vs cars. They are still useful to some.

It is not worthless after eight years, like an electric car

What??? Is this the engineer that convinced GM to kill the EV1 back in 99?

[exitspeed]

Look, these are the realities currently. And with breakthroughs like Mazda just had with the new Skyactiv X engine. That engine is as efficient as an EV when you consider EV production, but it’ll end up in regular priced Mazda’s, not $60,000+ EVs that need government subsidizes to be affordable to the masses.

The WHOLE industry is still moving full steam ahead on EVs, but the reality is they aren’t the cloniqte savers people think they are...currently.

[exitspeed]

https://jalopnik.com/tesla-model-3-t...ual-1822678045


Woooooooow. Fit and finish like a Kia from the 90’s. Lol

[feito]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

https://jalopnik.com/tesla-model-3-t...ual-1822678045


Woooooooow. Fit and finish like a Kia from the 90’s. Lol

lol
I was born in the wrong generation. I know a lot of people out there, if not most, really are exited about the future and advancements in technology, not this young old fart...
Some one please tell me that we still got a couple more decades of internal combustion engines on the road before they start putting enough restrictions on us to get us off the road.
I dont want you future!!

[lunchmeat]

Internet connected, self driving, electric cars of the future. Yea, the future can taste every inch of my ass. Don't want any of it.

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[exitspeed]

These are the things that bother me about Tesla and Elin Musk. There are KNOWN production issues, yet he doesn’t sort them out. Instead he spends a bunch of time developing, hyping and releasing and total superfluous “flamethrower”.

I’m sure Elon’s world is amazing, I’m jealous I can’t play in it, but his priorities seem to be pretty fucked sometimes.

[exitspeed]

Whoa out of nowhere Nissan develops a new Z!

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/02/04/...w-89453929342/

[lunchmeat]

It's too early in the morning for shit like that.....

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[Future240]

Clearly the engineers are bored.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by Future240

Clearly the engineers are bored.

They shouldn’t be. They have plenty to do. The laundry list of issues with all three of Tesla’s models should have them working 24 hours a day.

[gbaby2089]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Look, these are the realities currently. And with breakthroughs like Mazda just had with the new Skyactiv X engine. That engine is as efficient as an EV when you consider EV production, but it’ll end up in regular priced Mazda’s, not $60,000+ EVs that need government subsidizes to be affordable to the masses.

The WHOLE industry is still moving full steam ahead on EVs, but the reality is they aren’t the cloniqte savers people think they are...currently.

Yeah man, that $29,000 Leaf & $35,000 Bolt are SO unattainable. This stuff is only going to get cheaper too.

Originally Posted by feito

lol
I was born in the wrong generation. I know a lot of people out there, if not most, really are exited about the future and advancements in technology, not this young old fart...
Some one please tell me that we still got a couple more decades of internal combustion engines on the road before they start putting enough restrictions on us to get us off the road.
I dont want you future!!

Yeah man, just like they're taking your guns right? MY INTERESTS DON'T ALIGN WITH EVERYONE BECAUSE I'M A LUDDITE, MUST RESPOND WITH IRRATIONAL FEAR & PARANOIA.

[BOROSUN]

all these li-on electric cars are just beta cars.

ss graphene batteries cars are the better future.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

Yeah man, that $29,000 Leaf & $35,000 Bolt are SO unattainable. This stuff is only going to get cheaper.

They’re still $19k cars that cost $30+.

And I was more specifically referring to Tesla’s. I’d buy a Bolt or a Volt over a Model 3 in a heart beat.

Originally Posted by BOROSUN

all these li-on electric cars are just beta cars.

ss graphene batteries cars are the better future.

I interviewed one of the invventors of Graphene a couple years ago. Cool guy. There’s a pic of him on my website actually.

[gbaby2089]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

They’re still $19k cars that cost $30+.

And I was more specifically referring to Tesla’s. I’d buy a Bolt or a Volt over a Model 3 in a heart beat.

How are the Leaf/Bolt $19k cars? A 3-series is the size of a Civic & not much nicer, yet people happily pay $40k for one.

Also, Musk is a prick, no shock there, fck Tesla. But EV as a whole should not be disregarded bc one company is run by a prick & styled after bars of soap.

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Whoa out of nowhere Nissan develops a new Z!

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/02/04/...w-89453929342/

Somebody needs to get fired. I don't know who. But dammit, somebody gotta go.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

How are the Leaf/Bolt $19k cars? A 3-series is the size of a Civic & not much nicer, yet people happily pay $40k for one.

Because they are....Without the EV tech they would Ben in segments with $19k cars. They’d cost $19k (I’m speaking in rough figures of course). The EV tech makes them cost twice twice what they should. I can’t explain it further than that. Not sure how to explain that further.

Mazda’s breakthrough Skyactiv X going in a 3 will make it as clean as an EV yet it’ll cost the normal cost of a 3 starting around $19k.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by simmode1

Somebody needs to get fired. I don't know who. But dammit, somebody gotta go.

There needs to be an entire company purge. And David Malcom Beasley should be put in charge of design.

[gbaby2089]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Because they are....Without the EV tech they would Ben in segments with $19k cars. They’d cost $19k (I’m speaking in rough figures of course). The EV tech makes them cost twice twice what they should. I can’t explain it further than that. Not sure how to explain that further.

Mazda’s breakthrough Skyactiv X going in a 3 will make it as clean as an EV yet it’ll cost the normal cost of a 3 starting around $19k.

Sentra ranges from like 17-23k. Leaf is 29k & well-optioned from base. That's a 6-7k premium. Bolt is exceptionally nice & long range for 35k.

The Skyactiv X is still years off & only as clean as EV getting power from coal.

So the best ICE is only as good as the worst EV? That's not my idea of progress.

[exitspeed]

^
But still for significantly less $.

[exitspeed]

Well this is potentially very a disappointing.

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/02/12/...bodied-bmw-z4/

Nothing more than a rebranded BMW and no manual.

Toyota seems to really suck at codeveloping sports cars.

[simmode1]

^^^Wow. I cannot even quantify the amount of suck right there. Might as well just buy a CPO E89 Z4 instead.

[MightyMouse13]

Wow. At 335 hp, around 3500 lbs, and no manual, this sounds somehow even less exciting than the 950 year old 370z. I really hope this is inaccurate but I’m not super surprised either though


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[Dutchmalmiss]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Well this is potentially very a disappointing.

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/02/12/...bodied-bmw-z4/

Nothing more than a rebranded BMW and no manual.

Toyota seems to really suck at codeveloping sports cars.

On the unfortunate contrary tho, they're really the only Japanese brand outside of Mazda that's even trying. Other than the MX-5 (which really is in a class of its own), the list of available RWD cars brand new is slim to none. This Supra is going to be overpriced and out of reach for a lot of folks. We really are among the last of a dying breed, guys.

[lunchmeat]

Depressing but not surprising.

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[[240sx]]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

...Nothing more than a rebranded BMW and no manual.

Weak... I'm so over this damn 240' and the only cars I'm holding out for are failing disappointments. The Mazda Kai (3) is my last hope to finance a new car.
.... oh dear god, I'm aspiring to buy a FWD 4dr economy car.

Originally Posted by lunchmeat

Depressing but not surprising.

This...

[lunchmeat]

I've committed to the idea of either a mustang or wrx as my next car. There's just nothing else out there that I care for and in my price range.

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[simmode1]

Originally Posted by lunchmeat

I've committed to the idea of either a mustang or wrx as my next car. There's just nothing else out there that I care for and in my price range.

This. Me from 10 years ago would have fought me for even thinking about it...lol

[lunchmeat]

My inner ricer wants an eb mustang, but I've been into muscle cars since I was little, so the gt itch is there.
The practical side wants a wrx(and the wife wouldn't bitch about room for the rugrats). Because turbo noise and awd.
I thought about a q60, but something about that car just doesn't do it for me.

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