The Future Automotive Thread

[exitspeed]

The fact that S15's are selling for $30k here is ridiculous. As many faults as the BRZ has, there's no way I'd buy a 17 year old S15 over a new BRZ.

[exitspeed]

Retro Honda EV coupe concept debuting in Tokyo. Wondering if this is an EV S2000??? Looks nice. Long hood and wide rear fenders. And none of the vents on vents on vents like the new Civic.

[cdlong]

Originally Posted by TheRealSy90

What I was trying to say is there is nothing wrong with that suspension design. Why design something new when that design works perfectly? Like I said before some newer suspension designs on cars are downright garbage and over complicated. You want it cheap? Keep it simple on a proven suspension package that we all know works.

"Works perfectly"? Really? It's fine and gets the job done, but saying it works perfectly is a stretch even ignoring the fact that there is no suspension that works perfectly.

[Future240]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

The fact that S15's are selling for $30k here is ridiculous. As many faults as the BRZ has, there's no way I'd buy a 17 year old S15 over a new BRZ.

Well to play devil's advocate.


Over the BRZ the S15 is
-factory boosted with easily modified engine
-rare
-uniquely RHD
-cult following

Just the fact that it is RHD will turn heads in most places. Styling aside as that is subjective, every other part of the car pales in comparison to the BRZ.


At the same power levels the BRZ stomps all over the S15.

[SSJ-S15]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

The fact that S15's are selling for $30k here is ridiculous. As many faults as the BRZ has, there's no way I'd buy a 17 year old S15 over a new BRZ.

You can pick up an S15 for close to half that price

[Future240]

Originally Posted by SSJ-S15

You can pick up an S15 for close to half that price

An s15 for 15k? Must be unregistered and beat to shit.

[SSJ-S15]

Originally Posted by Future240

An s15 for 15k? Must be unregistered and beat to shit.

Picked mine up for 17k with 75k miles and in great condition, steering wheel was chewed up but that's about it. Clean body with no rust, engine ran perfectly

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by SSJ-S15

Picked mine up for 17k with 75k miles and in great condition, steering wheel was chewed up but that's about it. Clean body with no rust, engine ran perfectly

How the fuck? Well then that’s a different story.

[simmode1]

I love the S15 but I have zero interest in owning a RHD car in a LHD country. Even at $15k, there are a bunch of cars I'd pick over it.

Now find me a LHD S15 at that price and I'd break all kinda laws to get my hands on it.

[SSJ-S15]

Originally Posted by simmode1

I love the S15 but I have zero interest in owning a RHD car in a LHD country. Even at $15k, there are a bunch of cars I'd pick over it.

Now find me a LHD S15 at that price and I'd break all kinda laws to get my hands on it.

Not that bad at all to get used to driving RHD

[feito]

How the hell are s15's legally obtainable? I thought every japanese car fell under the 25y law.
Choosing from a 15k frs and a 15k legal s15 would be a though decision.
Either way, I have decided to go back in time and get me a classic for my next project. I think I have had it with so much cheap and fragile materials on modern cars. The way things are going, if I ever get a newer car it would probably be an frs, and nothing newer.

[TheRealSy90]

Ecoboost Mustang all the way. It's the modern silvia.

[Rustys14]

Originally Posted by feito

How the hell are s15's legally obtainable? I thought every japanese car fell under the 25y law.
Choosing from a 15k frs and a 15k legal s15 would be a though decision.
Either way, I have decided to go back in time and get me a classic for my next project. I think I have had it with so much cheap and fragile materials on modern cars. The way things are going, if I ever get a newer car it would probably be an frs, and nothing newer.

FRS/BRZ pricing has become super reasonable lately, I was able to pick up an immaculate fully loaded 2013 BRZ with 80k miles for 13k. I've put about 5k on it since I picked it up and its been the best daily I've ever owned. I get a consistent 31mpg and it actually has a usable trunk unlike the s2000 that was my previous daily. Its not super fast but I've taken it to a couple track days and really don't find it to be severely lacking in power, it actually holds its own against most cars pretty well. Mine came with the optional dealer installed STI aero and suspension package and I don't really feel any need to modify it beyond that. I do of course run RPF1s with sticky tires and up-rated brake pads for track days but the price of admission is pretty damn low compared to what I've put into my 240 haha.

[TheRealSy90]

What is STI aero on a brz?


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[Rustys14]

Originally Posted by TheRealSy90

What is STI aero on a brz?


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Its basically just a lip kit. There's a front lip, sideskirts, rear spats and a small diffuser under the rear bumper. I'm sure none of it actually does anything aerodynamically but really I dig the look and its kinda pricey so having it already installed was a bonus for me.

Here's what it looks like on mine:

[[240sx]]

^^ What, No bright red mud flaps on all four coners?? That's not very *Subaru*.

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[Future240]

Originally Posted by SSJ-S15

Picked mine up for 17k with 75k miles and in great condition, steering wheel was chewed up but that's about it. Clean body with no rust, engine ran perfectly
*PIC*

Is that a Spec R or Spec S? That is a clean car.


Spec R > BRZ any day of the year.

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by SSJ-S15

Not that bad at all to get used to driving RHD

Yeah, still not interested in RHD.

Originally Posted by TheRealSy90

Ecoboost Mustang all the way. It's the modern Silvia.

Totally agreed.

[RB25GUY]

is it me or did volvo take a piece of every rival it has and put it together , named it the S90.

[SSJ-S15]

Originally Posted by Future240

Is that a Spec R or Spec S? That is a clean car.


Spec R > BRZ any day of the year.

It's a '99 Spec R

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

The fact that S15's are selling for $30k here is ridiculous. As many faults as the BRZ has, there's no way I'd buy a 17 year old S15 over a new BRZ.

I am taking a FiST over a BRZ drive the two cars then decide. The power and upgradable features inherit in the FiST are awesome and the fire sale prices Ford is offering on them are incredible under 20k out the door on base model FiST's Recaro package cars for just over.
Plus the car drives like a RWD even though it's FWD. Like the idea and look of the FRS/BRZ but it fails miserably in engine department.
They could have done it right but failed. On the other hand the FiST is awesome right out of the box and the ability to tweak it into monster status is cool. Drives like a fricken shifter Go Kart. Sleeper of the century.

Oh and on the S15 , always loved the car but dammit RHD on left hand drive roads sucks. So therefor never mind.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by RB25GUY

is it me or did volvo take a piece of every rival it has and put it together , named it the S90.

Every car is somewhat derivative at that point. The fact is, Volvo’s design language is almost universally applauded for their design language. Everything they release right now is gold.

[[240sx]]

Is it me, or is drift freaq the Corbic of Fiestas. [emoji23]

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[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by [240sx]

Is it me, or is drift freaq the Corbic of Fiestas. [emoji23]

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Hahahaha fucking nailed it. Mad love though Dave. He called it though.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Hahahaha fucking nailed it. Mad love though Dave. He called it though.

Hmm I could take that negatively but dammit Fiesta's are badass. :lol:

Though beyond being a fan of the car Corbic and I are far different. Plus no one can deny BRZ's are horrendously underpowered due to lack of TQ.

Oh and truthfully fact is Fords on it when it comes to Turbocharged cars right now.

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Oh and truthfully fact is Fords on it when it comes to Turbocharged cars right now.

So much THIS. Just think of ALL the junkyard swaps 10 years from now.

The LSx's days are numbered.

[zenkicpe]

Im gonna go out on a big limb here and say that the junkyards will be full of JUNK swaps 10 years from now, to the brim even

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by zenkicpe

Im gonna go out on a big limb here and say that the junkyards will be full of JUNK swaps 10 years from now, to the brim even

Are you trying to imply that the engines will be shot? Outside of the RS which Ford pushed to the limits without putting in metal head gaskets among other things, the rest of the line is pretty much great.

The Ecoboost stang engines are not blowing up FoST and FiST are not either. Also these engines are not that expensive already. You can already pick up low mileage ones for 1k and sometimes less. Hell the 1.6 FiST engine is a powerhouse capable of 300 whp and 300 Ft LB's TQ with a Turbo upgrade from Mountune for $1700. Just imagine what you can do wth FoST engines which are 250 HP 2 liters stock! FoST owners are cresting 300/300 easily on stock internals.

I do love my 6 cylinder engines but these Ecoboost engines are nice.

[simmode1]

^^^Lets also not forget that some dealers are pushing Ecoboost Stangs off the lot tuned to 550hp for just another dealer financed $6k...

And of course, its not an Ecoboost, but the Coyote has a dealer optional Roush supercharger upgrade to 727hp for just $6k or $7k, including warranty.

I haven't seen much evidence that the engines are junk at all. Hell, just saw a video of a Ecoboost F150 destroying a Hellcat...

[Future240]

^^^^^^Yeap


http://ford-life.com/2017/04/07/anno...p-550-mustang/

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Are you trying to imply that the engines will be shot? Outside of the RS which Ford pushed to the limits without putting in metal head gaskets among other things, the rest of the line is pretty much great.

The Ecoboost stang engines are not blowing up FoST and FiST are not either. Also these engines are not that expensive already. You can already pick up low mileage ones for 1k and sometimes less. Hell the 1.6 FiST engine is a powerhouse capable of 300 whp and 300 Ft LB's TQ with a Turbo upgrade from Mountune for $1700. Just imagine what you can do wth FoST engines which are 250 HP 2 liters stock! FoST owners are cresting 300/300 easily on stock internals.

I do love my 6 cylinder engines but these Ecoboost engines are nice.

At what rpm? sounds like lag city. Still though mad impressive,