The Future Automotive Thread

[lunchmeat]

I'll be almost in my 80s. What she gonna do, break my hip?

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by lunchmeat

Glad I'll be to damned old to drive or dead by then, because that future sounds awful.

Getting old and cynical sucks. Lol.

[lunchmeat]

I've always been cantankerous, just slowly getting to the old fart part of it.

[kashira kureijii]

Originally Posted by lunchmeat

I'll be almost in my 80s. What she gonna do, break my hip?

Science will have advanced to the point to where she"ll be both hip and wife

Its called engineering


Probably


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[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

I think we can all agree we don't want to see an end to manuals. But it'll happen eventually. Autonomous cars will probably be the biggest blow to manual cars' future. By 2025 we'll have a lot of autonomous cars on the road but it won't be an all autonomous market by then. I think there will still be manuals to be had, but once autonomous cars completely kill car culture they'll be a thing of the past. This is not a knock against CA, ok yes it is, CA will probably be the first state to pass a mandate for an only autonomous roadway and make actually driving a car illegal. Ironic considering the importance and history of car culture in CA. I predict there will be a shift in popular opinion some 40 years (heck maybe sooner) where people will look at people that WANT to drive cars as morons, and blame them for all kinds of shit like global warming, deaths, etc. It'll be a shift like gay marriage or marijuana usage, etc. Public opinion can change fast if it becomes a "social " issue, which the Left (especially in CA) is good at doing. Don't forget Mrs Clinton's husband voted against gay marriage just like 5 administrations ago. This shift will be like 2050 or some shit.

Sorry to get political but that's what's going to kill it, kill it.

Sorry Mel but while California does have some legal restriction type laws. Actually talk here right now is not allowing self driving cars due to safety issues. It's the big car companies ( along with Tesla and Google) that are actually pushing autonomous cars. In fact almost all big car companies including European biggies like Audi and Mercedes that are pushing this stuff.
I know everybody wants to us California as the whipping boy for car regulations but do some reading before you make such a bold assertation.

California is actually talking about legislation requiring any cars tha are self driving to have a driver behind the wheel at all times. As of right now California legislators are not happy about the Tesla crashes and the unreported Google test crashes.
Do not condemn us just because your political bent deems us bad as a state. There are still some level heads here.

Sorry to get off topic folks but this needed to be addressed. Hard political bent to the right or the left overall is not a way to move forward.

P.S. The only thing restrictive car wise in this state is emissions laws and while I sometimes don't like the I can't deny they have cleaned up the air quite a bit here. They also have forced automakers to make more fuel efficient stock high hp engines.
All of Fords Ecoboost line would not exist if not because of emission laws and sorry if don't realize but those engines are turbocharged and kick some ass. Think about the fact that Ford is pulling 197hp and 215 ft lbs of torque out of a fricken 1.6 liter! Or 252hp out of a 2.0 . Ya say what you will but there are upsides here and it's time to for some to pull their heads out of the sand Globsl warming does exist and whatever we can do to reduce is important for us and future generations.
Not against high hp or gas engines just being realistic here and doing a Trump saying to does not exist.

[Future240]

I won't get into the left vs right thing, However I do agree policy will one day be the end of non self driving cars not just manuals. Remember in IRobot that scene where Will takes control of the car and then later on the deputy asks who what was he doing driving the car himself at those speeds (300+mph)? I think that is where cars are headed. Where you program your destination and it goes, all the cars becoming connected to one grid with self drive modes available only at select times. That though is in the future maybe 50-60 years IMO.


As far as manuals, I think as double clutch trickles its way down, we will see less manual sports car and more with double clutch.

[TheRealSy90]

Originally Posted by kashira kureijii

Corolla XRS was pretty cool doe

Is that the one that has the variable lift engine? That car is a sleeper if there ever was one. Local dude has one that full interior and commodities, with intake/exhaust bolt ons, and it walks away from all the civics at the local races no mater how gutted they are or what engine is swapped in, it's crazy. And it sounds great too.

[kashira kureijii]

Originally Posted by TheRealSy90

Is that the one that has the variable lift engine? That car is a sleeper if there ever was one. Local dude has one that full interior and commodities, with intake/exhaust bolt ons, and it walks away from all the civics at the local races no mater how gutted they are or what engine is swapped in, it's crazy. And it sounds great too.

They have the 2zzge celica engine/tranny. I think all corollas from like 2001 on have vvti , 2zz has more performance oriented valve/lift timing.

I always see grandmas and old mexican ladies driving them haha, i want one. Theres a matrix xrs too, but the rolla looks better

Theres alot of cheap old stock trd stuff for them too , that no one ever bought.

If i had one i would swap to the corolla fielder X front

They stopped making them in the mid 200"s though.

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[TheRealSy90]

So a camry engine in a much lighter car. Makes sense. And corollas last forever too.


Anyways back to rwd chassis lol.

[kashira kureijii]

Originally Posted by TheRealSy90

So a camry engine in a much lighter car. Makes sense. And corollas last forever too.


Anyways back to rwd chassis lol.

Celica engine haha.
Yes these are old and not rwd drive, so irrelevant


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[e1_griego]

The 2zz is a neat motor, but it's a torqueless wonder. I have a matrix XRS, you don't hit the big cam until 6700rpm and then it revs to 8200. It's novel for a while, but mostly I wish I could move the VVTI engagement down to 4500rpm or so, without buying a PowerFC or some other standalone.

Mine has 180k on it, by far the most reliable car I've ever owned. Four years and the only thing I've done is change the oil, put a clutch in it after OEM clutch failed at 156k, and that's about it.

[kashira kureijii]

Originally Posted by e1_griego

The 2zz is a neat motor, but it's a torqueless wonder. I have a matrix XRS, you don't hit the big cam until 6700rpm and then it revs to 8200. It's novel for a while, but mostly I wish I could move the VVTI engagement down to 4500rpm or so, without buying a PowerFC or some other standalone.

Mine has 180k on it, by far the most reliable car I've ever owned. Four years and the only thing I've done is change the oil, put a clutch in it after OEM clutch failed at 156k, and that's about it.

Ive heard the pontiac vibe version has a lower vvti engagement and you can swap the ecus, but maybe im thinking that the matrix has lower engagement than the rolla


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[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Sorry Mel but while California does have some legal restriction type laws. Actually talk here right now is not allowing self driving cars due to safety issues. It's the big car companies ( along with Tesla and Google) that are actually pushing autonomous cars. In fact almost all big car companies including European biggies like Audi and Mercedes that are pushing this stuff.
I know everybody wants to us California as the whipping boy for car regulations but do some reading before you make such a bold assertation.

California is actually talking about legislation requiring any cars tha are self driving to have a driver behind the wheel at all times. As of right now California legislators are not happy about the Tesla crashes and the unreported Google test crashes.
Do not condemn us just because your political bent deems us bad as a state. There are still some level heads here.

Sorry to get off topic folks but this needed to be addressed. Hard political bent to the right or the left overall is not a way to move forward.

P.S. The only thing restrictive car wise in this state is emissions laws and while I sometimes don't like the I can't deny they have cleaned up the air quite a bit here. They also have forced automakers to make more fuel efficient stock high hp engines.
All of Fords Ecoboost line would not exist if not because of emission laws and sorry if don't realize but those engines are turbocharged and kick some ass. Think about the fact that Ford is pulling 197hp and 215 ft lbs of torque out of a fricken 1.6 liter! Or 252hp out of a 2.0 . Ya say what you will but there are upsides here and it's time to for some to pull their heads out of the sand Globsl warming does exist and whatever we can do to reduce is important for us and future generations.
Not against high hp or gas engines just being realistic here and doing a Trump saying to does not exist.

Keep in mind, this is just my prediction based off of what I see going on with CA legislation and the auto industry as a whole.

Sure California doesn't like the Tesla crashes, but that's not exclusively a Ca thing, that's everywhere these crashes are happening. Speaking of Tesla, yes they are going big on automous vehicles and Silcon valley is betting big on the technology too. Well guess where almost HALF of all Telsas are sold? Did someone say California? Bingo. Point being California and it's residents love the brand and the brand is going autonomous. There's no way around it. Right NOW California (as is every state, even the ones allowing autonomous car testing) might be cautious but my prediction is for some time down the road.

And that's just Tesla. The big 3, Europe, Japan and Korea are spending hubs of money developing the tech.

My prediction stands and I feel there's a lot of evidence to back it up.

[Matej]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Do not condemn us just because your political bent deems us bad as a state. There are still some level heads here.

Your trees are dying.

https://news.slashdot.org/story/16/1...trees-are-dead

[kashira kureijii]

RIP Mitsu, your old days are forever Ghosn

[AllThingsGravy]

I was at the LA car show today and I hate to say it but the Mustang looked alright :/

[[240sx]]

Originally Posted by AllThingsGravy

.. I hate to say it but the Mustang looked alright

I thought that one looked great when Jeremy was driving it in the opening of Grand Tour ... until the GT350 pulled along side it.
Gt350R>Saleen> and that blue one.

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[lunchmeat]

Not a bad looking car, except I just can't get over that grill. Makes it look like a whale shark
whale_shark2.jpg

[BOROSUN]

ford should just keep copying Astons.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Doom and Gloom

Cheers to the Apocalypse!

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by Matej

Your trees are dying.

https://news.slashdot.org/story/16/1...trees-are-dead

Wow shades of old Matej can you make anymore tangent oriented comments.?

Our trees are dying due to a long drought brought on by global warming caused by carbon emissions. Hmmm you actually made the point for why emission laws are needed and it has nothing to do with self driving car legislation. Lol

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Wow shades of old Matej can you make anymore tangent oriented comments.?

Our trees are dying due to a long drought brought on by global warming caused by carbon emissions. Hmmm you actually made the point for why emission laws are needed and it has nothing to do with self driving car legislation. Lol

Believe it or not that is exactly the point of self driving cars. And let me make one thing clear that I probably didn't during my "doom and gloom" rant, I am all autonomous cars. I'm obviously not FOR the death of the manual but it's an unfortunate bystander.

One of the cool things about automy is that cars become wildly efficient ie less emissions. The part that kills our inefficiency now is the stopping and going. Cars are really efficient right now while going a steady speed. Once cars are talking to each other, to traffic signals and the world around them there will be an incredible technical ballet going that will keep the cars moving and moving at higher speeds.

Man, I'm honestly super excited for that future and that technology. What once was mind blowing is now within reach.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Believe it or not that is exactly the point of self driving cars. And let me make one thing clear that I probably didn't during my "doom and gloom" rant, I am all autonomous cars. I'm obviously not FOR the death of the manual but it's an unfortunate bystander.

One of the cool things about automy is that cars become wildly efficient ie less emissions. The part that kills our inefficiency now is the stopping and going. Cars are really efficient right now while going a steady speed. Once cars are talking to each other, to traffic signals and the world around them there will be an incredible technical ballet going that will keep the cars moving and moving at higher speeds.

Man, I'm honestly super excited for that future and that technology. What once was mind blowing is now within reach.

Hmm interesting take Mel, I do see your point though I am not sure I am ready to welcome the concept or what I see as the outcome. Somehow taking to driving experience out the drivers hand is disconcerting. If we are talking high speed lines on tracks sure...but having something making all those decisions while not being on a controlled guideline well it just scares me.
Maybe I am in a minority here about it but it's just the way I feel and believe me I am no anti future tech guy by any means. I just feel some of it is possibly getting ahead of itself in terms of feasibly doing so in a safe controlled way.

Mind I know drivers are not completely safe either. Lol

[exitspeed]

More spy shots of the new Supra complete with what look like MK4 style taillights!! Rumor has it it's debuting in January at the Detroit show. I hope so. I can't wait to see it.

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/11/28/2...#slide-4290700

[lunchmeat]

Wasn't the last "rumor" about it having a twin turbo v6? Now it's turbo 4 banger?

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by lunchmeat

Wasn't the last "rumor" about it having a twin turbo v6? Now it's turbo 4 banger?

Rumors rumors. We'll find out soon.

[lunchmeat]

First time I've been interested in anything Toyota since 1998.

[kashira kureijii]

Hopefully it has manual option haha, i give it a 5% probability


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[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by kashira kureijii

Hopefully it has manual option haha, i give it a 5% probability


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I give it 60/40 that it HAS manual. They are resurrecting an icon and from what we can tell they are even using design cues from the previous gen. So they are counting on the cars heritage. With that said, I won't be surprised if it isn't offered in a manual.

[kashira kureijii]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

I give it 60/40 that it HAS manual. They are resurrecting an icon and from what we can tell they are even using design cues from the previous gen. So they are counting on the cars heritage. With that said, I won't be surprised if it isn't offered in a manual.

non hybrid and manual just seems like 1 in a million given recent trends, I would definitely be pleasantly surprised if it was so. Especially cuz it is toyota we're talking about here.

they didn't even remake the nsx and gtr with manual, i dunno.

there still some manuals in the yota lineup, we'll see