Smog Legal Japanese engines? Inquire within.

[Chaws15]

Originally Posted by wangan_cruiser

ok let me break it down for ya buddy since you are having a hard time understanding what i just said


b series jdm motor + usdm emissions equipment = passed visual and sniffer test

if you still dont get it. dont worry about it


even my girlfriend can understand what it meant except about the motors and how does it work

That's not really what I meant. I understand the content of your post no problem. I just think you should check your grammar once in a while, lol

[StaticX27]

Originally Posted by wangan_cruiser

if its the same thing for nissan owners, they could careless the amount of work as long itll get legalized

Its possible because its so close to an EPA approved motor, and its not turbo. Vinnie was right about SR20's being a pain since they're boosted

[NoBottleJustThrottle]

Originally Posted by StaticX27

I can list 3 or 4 K20 swapped EK's in my area that have done it without having to touch the fuel system. They may have just had nice referees though. You are right, Japanese motors are still not legal here if they differ from the US model, since they're not EPA approved motors, however you could make a pretty good case of having a K20A in your car, since its almost identical to the K20a1(05 RSX Type-S and up (I think that was the engine code they used.. I forgot ><)), but for that you'd have to go to guys like Joe :P

Thats interesting, because the RSX has a returnless fuel system...the EK does not. On top of that, the K series operates at a constant fuel pressure, rather than following the intake manifold pressure like the EK's engine does. This isn't a problem to fix, you just have to add a fuel pressure regulator. I was under the impression that if an inspector saw any modification to the fuel system (like a FPR) it would be an automatic fail. But, maybe I'm wrong...

I don't want to get off topic though

[kingyogi]

I live in Georgia and im about to purchase an sr vehicle here shortly, finally.
Is the SR legal here?
Havent found much info, and I dont have enough time to read all 31 pages of this thread.
All help and info is great.

[max2damax]

oK , now this is just getting silly, are you guys saying that you want to swap an sr20de EPA approved motor into a usdm 240sx, so you can turbo charge it and make it legal.....mmmm. doesnt the 240sx allready have a EPA approved motor in it!

[Rob's S14]

what about doing the turbo ka? that was never answered.

[Chaws15]

Originally Posted by kingyogi

I live in Georgia and im about to purchase an sr vehicle here shortly, finally.
Is the SR legal here?
Havent found much info, and I dont have enough time to read all 31 pages of this thread.
All help and info is great.

The SR is not illegal anywhere in the US. The reason people are able to have them (outside of California) is because most of the nation does not have emissions regulations as strict as states like California, and there's no sight check. Even if they did pop the hood, they aren't able to differentiate between a KA or SR. I don't know about GA regulations, but most likely you'll be able to keep your vehicle without too much trouble. But if your state regulates heavily by means of things like OBDII, you're out of luck.

[wangan_cruiser]

Originally Posted by Chaws15

That's not really what I meant. I understand the content of your post no problem. I just think you should check your grammar once in a while, lol

hehehe nobody's perfect. im only a human

[wangan_cruiser]

Originally Posted by max2damax

oK , now this is just getting silly, are you guys saying that you want to swap an sr20de EPA approved motor into a usdm 240sx, so you can turbo charge it and make it legal.....mmmm. doesnt the 240sx allready have a EPA approved motor in it!

thats why they're doing this because they want the sr20det get approved then after thatn they want to do the rest of the engine CA's and RB's


thats true. why not just turbocharged ka since its an epa approved motor. what does it take to get it legalized?

[max2damax]

lets all get vq35de s in our cars, I thinks it'll be easier.

[StaticX27]

^ +1

The engine of the future, and not so fanboyish

[kingyogi]

Originally Posted by Chaws15

The SR is not illegal anywhere in the US. The reason people are able to have them (outside of California) is because most of the nation does not have emissions regulations as strict as states like California, and there's no sight check. Even if they did pop the hood, they aren't able to differentiate between a KA or SR. I don't know about GA regulations, but most likely you'll be able to keep your vehicle without too much trouble. But if your state regulates heavily by means of things like OBDII, you're out of luck.

word from a friend of mine that is a cop, he said we dont have emissions here in statesboro. lucky me right?
as of right now im driving a street legal dunebuggy... they hate me already.

[wangan_cruiser]

Originally Posted by max2damax

lets all get vq35de s in our cars, I thinks it'll be easier.

lol i was thinking the other way route

ls1 or vq since this sr20det thing is taking forever or may not be able to get legalized

[WONTONnPHO]

How much do VQ motors run for nowadays?

[Chaws15]

There are VQ and LS1 threads elsewhere. The sole purpose of this thread is for the SR.

It seems to me that everyone loves the idea of giving up...

[max2damax]

I think its the wise thing to do, if you add up time and money spent on this is better to go a different route, I can say this cause i still have a kA on my car, I do feel for all of you guys with sr s, if I was in your position I doubt I would be able to give up so easily.

[Chaws15]

Originally Posted by max2damax

I think its the wise thing to do, if you add up time and money spent on this is better to go a different route, I can say this cause i still have a kA on my car, I do feel for all of you guys with sr s, if I was in your position I doubt I would be able to give up so easily.

I'm still KA, but I'm vouching for this. I want this SR project to be as legal as legal gets. If you're not one to support this cause, well then you're in the wrong thread.

[wangan_cruiser]

lol now what? making this thread into a SR Loyalty. everyone wants this shit is legal whether you are a KA guy or a VQ guy. legalization is what it counts and give us 240sx owners to have more option to put engines in.

[BigVinnie]

Legalization offers the freedom to chose which is what this country is about.
Simply not being able to chose products when other countries are allowed the options makes us look like slaves to our own government system. It makes us ride the fine line between socialism, and communism than it should be as capitalism.
It is more than just legalizing an engine it is about granting our rights.
Really if some one owns an engine that is more of a gross polluter than another engine is, they should just pay fee's, instead of strictly banning it. Thats how people learn right from wrong is through financial punishment, not by punishing all of us as a sole entity. Just my 2 cent's.

[coreansurfer]

+ rep for you

[cmcdougle]

Originally Posted by BigVinnie

Legalization offers the freedom to chose which is what this country is about.
Simply not being able to chose products when other countries are allowed the options makes us look like slaves to our own government system. It makes us ride the fine line between socialism, and communism than it should be as capitalism.
It is more than just legalizing an engine it is about granting our rights.
Really if some one owns an engine that is more of a gross polluter than another engine is, they should just pay fee's, instead of strictly banning it. Thats how people learn right from wrong is through financial punishment, not by punishing all of us as a sole entity. Just my 2 cent's.

word. now you get posi rep.

[wangan_cruiser]

Originally Posted by BigVinnie

Legalization offers the freedom to chose which is what this country is about.
Simply not being able to chose products when other countries are allowed the options makes us look like slaves to our own government system. It makes us ride the fine line between socialism, and communism than it should be as capitalism.
It is more than just legalizing an engine it is about granting our rights.
Really if some one owns an engine that is more of a gross polluter than another engine is, they should just pay fee's, instead of strictly banning it. Thats how people learn right from wrong is through financial punishment, not by punishing all of us as a sole entity. Just my 2 cent's.

good shit vinnie, good shit. totally agree with that.

[wangan_cruiser]

Originally Posted by StaticX27

A possibility however, may be looking into the N/A S15 engine that was sold in the convertible version (whose name I can't remember). If they approve that one, we may be able to use precedence, since that motor was significantly more similar to the SR20DET. Just a lead, I don't know for sure myself, I'm not a specialist :P

yea i think i read about that on fresh alloy this morning. it has 165bhp with 140lbs of torque....lol. why does nissan wont able to make the sr20det pass here? if subies and evo's an pass with the technology what bigvinnie said can do. why not nissan try that shit and make it happen for us 240sx onwers?

[nissantuner22]

Just to clarify, the SR20DE available in FWD format, ie; sentra,NX2000, G20, are nearly identical internally. The RWD DET can use the rods from a NA FWD SR20DE. Is it as strong? Not quite, but very strong none the less. It holds boost quite well. What about the pistons? Small differences, obviously compression is different. Valves? The DET has sodium filled valves, to deal with the higher exhaust temps. The DE lacks oil squirters, but you can ADD THEM to the motor. Crazy. The block on the FWD motors even includes the boss for the oil return. It's as if.... they're the same blocks! CRIKEY!

DET, DE block, whatever. It's pretty much the same thing. If I threw a rod on my SR20DE in my 240sx, I could just snag a used RWD DET block and call it a day.

Someone mentioned bringing in the EPA equipment from a N/A RWD SR20DE. What EPA stuff? The RWD engine lacks the EPA stuff the FWD SR20DE has, like the EGR.

[irax]

just because its from japan does not mean there is not emissions equipment.

[wangan_cruiser]

Originally Posted by nissantuner22

Just to clarify, the SR20DE available in FWD format, ie; sentra,NX2000, G20, are nearly identical internally. The RWD DET can use the rods from a NA FWD SR20DE. Is it as strong? Not quite, but very strong none the less. It holds boost quite well. What about the pistons? Small differences, obviously compression is different. Valves? The DET has sodium filled valves, to deal with the higher exhaust temps. The DE lacks oil squirters, but you can ADD THEM to the motor. Crazy. The block on the FWD motors even includes the boss for the oil return. It's as if.... they're the same blocks! CRIKEY!

DET, DE block, whatever. It's pretty much the same thing. If I threw a rod on my SR20DE in my 240sx, I could just snag a used RWD DET block and call it a day.

Someone mentioned bringing in the EPA equipment from a N/A RWD SR20DE. What EPA stuff? The RWD engine lacks the EPA stuff the FWD SR20DE has, like the EGR.

as i heard from joe that sr20dets came in egr. so where's the thread starter? did he just gave up?

[renski]

so whats the news about the ka-t?

[fbi_ethan]

I dont know if it is the right place to say this, but
I read the whole 31 pages of thread and it got my heart rate through the roof..
till I reached page 29to find Joe say that SR's will continue to be the way they are...
Kudos to all the people who participated I felt as much as you did, good luck

[delphis]

Originally Posted by nissantuner22

Someone mentioned bringing in the EPA equipment from a N/A RWD SR20DE. What EPA stuff? The RWD engine lacks the EPA stuff the FWD SR20DE has, like the EGR.

as I said before I am pretty sure that the sr20's in 240sx's in the UK and Australia came with an EGR system.

[wangan_cruiser]

this thread is really dead.