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*exitspeed* · 01-25-2016, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Corbic

Even if it ends up looking like the Optima... Epic hottage.

Exactly.

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Originally Posted by future

Wish it was a two door

The fact that it's going to take cues from the Stinger makes me think the Stinger is going to be right behind.

kashira kureijii · 01-25-2016, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by exitspeed

So Kia approved the GT sedan for production which will be RWD, 3.3 turbo and 389hp horsepower. Oh and the styling will be inspired by the Stinger concept. Kia and Hyundai have all he balls right now.

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/01/25/k...oduction-2017/

except its autotragic only from what I've read on autoblog

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/01/25/k...oduction-2017/

BOROSUN · 01-26-2016, 12:20 AM

(looks at autoblog sees this...sighs)

can somebody copy this m/p...

*exitspeed* · 01-26-2016, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by kashira kureijii

except its autotragic only from what I've read on autoblog

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/01/25/k...oduction-2017/

Yeah that would be be unfortunate. We'll see. Kia is trying to set itself up as a sporty brand.

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Originally Posted by BOROSUN

(looks at autoblog sees this...sighs)

can somebody copy this m/p...

I hate the front of that car.

And here's an article about GM's techniques with the lightening CT6. Pretty awesome.
http://www.motortrend.com/news/mixed...ans-structure/

vanish1 · 01-26-2016, 08:45 AM

pictures dont do it justice; the Ferrari FF looks good in real life...esp in red..oh my

BOROSUN · 01-26-2016, 08:45 PM

yeah, I don't like the grill. but, when you see it in person it's not bad.
a s15 front end will flow and look better.

cured13 · 01-26-2016, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BOROSUN

a s15 front end will flow and look better.

sure it will, since Forrever

Ha, ha...

SoundEfx · 01-27-2016, 12:36 AM

So in summary, is it safe to say that the lower level, $30K RWD market is going to be Ford, Subaru, Toyota and KIA?

What the hell happened to Honda and Nissan.

*exitspeed* · 01-27-2016, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SoundEfx

So in summary, is it safe to say that the lower level, $30K RWD market is going to be Ford, Subaru, Toyota and KIA?

What the hell happened to Honda and Nissan.

There's been rumors for an S2000 return but nothing concrete yet.

Nissan has teased us over the years with two concepts but won't bite the bullet. The designer of the IDX genuinely thought (I chatted with him about it and he was super bummed) it was going to see production but the bean counters couldn't build a case for it i.e. Ghosn strikes again.

I actually have more faith we'll see an S2000 before we get a RWD coupe below the Z.

Corbic · 01-27-2016, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SoundEfx

So in summary, is it safe to say that the lower level, $30K RWD market is going to be Ford, Subaru, Toyota and KIA?

What the hell happened to Honda and Nissan.

Since when was Honda ever in the "lower level" RWD game?

The S2K was $30k back in 1999. That's over $40k in today's money.

So if Honda brought out a new S2k, don't be surprised if it's a 40-50k Boxster fighter again.

Nissan still has the 370Z which is $29,900. It's just ugly and underwhelming.

I always go back to the 350Z.

In 2003 it made 287hp compared to the 260hp Mustang GT. It also cost $28k to the Mustangs $24k.

By 2005, the Mustang got the 300hp 3V engine and moved up to the 28k price range. The Z held at 29k with 300hp Rev and 305hp HR engines.

On paper and in person it was more impressive then a Mustang. Interior was nicer, handling was better, power was good.

Then the 5.0 came out, the 2011 update and now the S550. The 370Z was a marginal performance improvement with worse ergonomics and styling then the 370Z. Everything seemingly shits all over it at $30-35k.

SoundEfx · 01-27-2016, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Corbic

Since when was Honda ever in the "lower level" RWD game?

The S2K was $30k back in 1999. That's over $40k in today's money.

So if Honda brought out a new S2k, don't be surprised if it's a 40-50k Boxster fighter again.

Nissan still has the 370Z which is $29,900. It's just ugly and underwhelming.

I always go back to the 350Z.

In 2003 it made 287hp compared to the 260hp Mustang GT. It also cost $28k to the Mustangs $24k.

By 2005, the Mustang got the 300hp 3V engine and moved up to the 28k price range. The Z held at 29k with 300hp Rev and 305hp HR engines.

How can you criticize me for mentioning Honda (1999) by inflating it to 'today's money'?

But in any case, if it's true that Nissan was indeed heading to bankruptcy, I could understand why they are playing it so safe. It's just sad to see, that's all.

*exitspeed* · 01-27-2016, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SoundEfx

But in any case, if it's true that Nissan was indeed heading to bankruptcy, I could understand why they are playing it so safe. It's just sad to see, that's all.

Oh it's true. It's well documented. Ghosn saved the day.

On another note. This does NOT suck.

The interesting thing though is what the hell platform is this going to be on!? It looks way to small for the Alpha platform. Are they going to bring back the the Kappa or have a new Kappa size platform? Awesome.

***Future240*** · 01-27-2016, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by exitspeed

Oh it's true. It's well documented. Ghosn saved the day.

On another note. This does NOT suck.

The interesting thing though is what the hell platform is this going to be on!? It looks way to small for the Alpha platform. Are they going to bring back the the Kappa or have a new Kappa size platform? Awesome.

What the hell is that?

***dorkidori_s13*** · 01-27-2016, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Future240

What the hell is that?

the new opel GT roadster... automatic only, like 148hp.

Corbic · 01-27-2016, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SoundEfx

How can you criticize me for mentioning Honda (1999) by inflating it to 'today's money'?

Because inflation was real and needs to be kept in context.

With an MSRP of $31,900 in 1999, that is $45,382 today.

The S2K never was and never will be an "affordable car". It was a mid range sports car.

SoundEfx · 01-27-2016, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Corbic

Because inflation was real and needs to be kept in context.

With an MSRP of $31,900 in 1999, that is $45,382 today.

The S2K never was and never will be an "affordable car". It was a mid range sports car.

The debate was never about affordability, it was about manufactures producing sub $30K RWD cars.
I mentioned Honda, which in 1999, produced a sub $30K RWD car and STOPPED. You shot that down in the name of 'inflation' and I 100% get that.

But then you go on to talk about the 350Z that was made four years later in 2003. So if the S2K doesn't count, then the 350Z can't count as well.

So what I don't get is why you would shoot me down for mentioning that Honda was one of the sub $30K RWD car manufactures. If they made one and stopped, then yes, I would think that I could mention them in the 'WTF, why did you stop' category.

*exitspeed* · 01-27-2016, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

the new opel GT roadster... automatic only, like 148hp.

Yeah I don't care about it much in Opel form, I'm more interested In what it means for a new platform for GM. I remember the reason they didn't go ahead with the Code 190R concept (which was designed to directly compete with the frs/bro) was they didn't have a platform for it. Well lookey here.

Corbic · 01-27-2016, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SoundEfx

But then you go on to talk about the 350Z that was made four years later in 2003. So if the S2K doesn't count, then the 350Z can't count as well.

So what I don't get is why you would shoot me down for mentioning that Honda was one of the sub $30K RWD car manufactures. If they made one and stopped, then yes, I would think that I could mention them in the 'WTF, why did you stop' category.

Honda never sold a "sub $30k" S2000. It was $31k when it launched and escalated in price over time. The last of them where $36k or whatever in 2008.

The 350Z launched at $26k and eventually peaked at $34k with the 370Z. It was only after it became clear that Nissan was dreaming and they repriced the outgunned POS at $30k.

So the point is, in the land of dreaming about $25k RWD cars, a future S2000 will never be that car. If Honda launched a new one, it will be positioned as it was 15 years ago. Just under the price of a Corvette or a Boxster.

*exitspeed* · 01-28-2016, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Corbic

So the point is, in the land of dreaming about $25k RWD cars, a future S2000 will never be that car. If Honda launched a new one, it will be positioned as it was 15 years ago. Just under the price of a Corvette or a Boxster.

Absolutely. IF they did it would definitely be in the $40's. Don't forget we live in a time with $40k Ford Focus'.

***Future240*** · 01-28-2016, 07:35 AM

^Just priced a fully loaded Ford Focus RS, it is $42,275. I would love to know the sales volume of the RS. You are well over Mustang GT prices at that point.

Cloud_Strife · 01-28-2016, 08:10 AM

42k for a fully loaded Focus ;You guys have to be joking. Then again last time I was at the hyundai dealer, the fully loaded Genisis model was beyond that.

In Ford's defence, I went to a dealership while helping a girl buy a car a few years back. I tested the focus and was actually pretty surprised with its handling and power. It wasn't mesmerizing, but it was enlightening to see we dont produce pure garbage.

vanish1 · 01-28-2016, 08:39 AM

yes and the new focus RS is def something special.

amazing too the evolution the focus has gone thru since its inception

to think 12-13 years later weve gone from a crappy fwd zts zetec steeda to a turbo awd barn burner.

Tip of the hat to Ford

*exitspeed* · 01-28-2016, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by vanish1

yes and the new focus RS is def something special.

amazing too the evolution the focus has gone thru since its inception

to think 12-13 years later weve gone from a crappy fwd zts zetec steeda to a turbo awd barn burner.

Tip of the hat to Ford

Yeah I'm amazed by the RS. I don't think $42 is ridiculous for what the car is. It's NOT a mustang. It's an Evo or an actual good lookin STI. Different buyers between the Mustang and RS all together. I don't think Ford will have a problem moving hem a bit. The ST sells like meth in a trailer park.

Dutchmalmiss · 01-28-2016, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by exitspeed

Yeah I'm amazed by the RS. I don't think $42 is ridiculous for what the car is. It's NOT a mustang. It's an Evo or an actual good lookin STI. Different buyers between the Mustang and RS all together. I don't think Ford will have a problem moving hem a bit. The ST sells like meth in a trailer park.

What are you guys adding to get it up to $42k? I was on the configurator last week and adding just a sunroof (didn't see much else to add) topped me off at 37,500 after fees. Pretty damn good for what it is. 12 gallon tank is pretty small, but other than that, pretty bang for the buck package.

*exitspeed* · 01-28-2016, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutchmalmiss

What are you guys adding to get it up to $42k? I was on the configurator last week and adding just a sunroof (didn't see much else to add) topped me off at 37,500 after fees. Pretty damn good for what it is. 12 gallon tank is pretty small, but other than that, pretty bang for the buck package.

Yeah I only got it to $38595. Close enough though. And I didn't mean that as a diss at all. I love the focus RS. Just saw it at the Deteoit show and drooled over it for a minute. That GT350 is something fucking else though.

Dutchmalmiss · 01-28-2016, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by exitspeed

Yeah I only got it to $38595. Close enough though. And I didn't mean that as a diss at all. I love the focus RS. Just saw it at the Deteoit show and drooled over it for a minute. That GT350 is something fucking else though.

Yeah seriously. Ford's really putting in work as far as putting out higher performance models. They said they promised 12 high-performance models by 2020. Right now there's the Fiesta ST, Focus ST, Focus RS, Raptor, GT350, and Ford GT. Wonder what else is coming up.

SoundEfx · 01-28-2016, 03:50 PM

At that rate, do you think that they will bring back a 'sporty' contour or escort?

Isn't the older Ford Escort still respected in Europe?

Matej · 01-28-2016, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SoundEfx

At that rate, do you think that they will bring back a 'sporty' contour or escort?

Isn't the older Ford Escort still respected in Europe?

You mean the 'Cossie' bruhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Those cars were the Civic of Europe, with hot boys adding knockoff Cosworth aero to every base Escort.
Though the real ones are actually four-wheel drive turbo and pretty awesome.

Speaking of which, the Sierra Cosworth was even cooler because it was RWD. They should bring that back.

It would be neat to find one in the US for a 'wanting to be different' drift car. Unfortunately the American Ford Merkur fastback version has an ugly extra C pillar and the sedan and wagon were not available here, though it still had a turbo engine.

The post-facelift ones look like an R32 with giant headlights.

future · 01-28-2016, 05:33 PM

Imagine backing up with that big ass wing

*exitspeed* · 01-28-2016, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SoundEfx

At that rate, do you think that they will bring back a 'sporty' contour or escort?

Isn't the older Ford Escort still respected in Europe?

Yeah I'm not sure what else. They recently (yesterday it the day before) denied a Firsta RS. They have a great platform with the current Mustang platform. Why on Earth they have pulled Lincoln out of the gutter with that platform to truly compete with the 3 series/ATS/Q60 is beyond me.

The Flacon platform in Australia is dead errrrr dying soon. But that's official.

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SoundEfx Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: WA Posts: 1,250 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	So in summary, is it safe to say that the lower level, $30K RWD market is going to be Ford, Subaru, Toyota and KIA? What the hell happened to Honda and Nissan. __________________

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vanish1 Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 655 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yes and the new focus RS is def something special. amazing too the evolution the focus has gone thru since its inception to think 12-13 years later weve gone from a crappy fwd zts zetec steeda to a turbo awd barn burner. Tip of the hat to Ford __________________ '99 M3 '82 320i

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BOROSUN Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: two legit to quit Age: 43 Posts: 5,236 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yeah, I don't like the grill. but, when you see it in person it's not bad. a s15 front end will flow and look better.

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Cloud_Strife Zilvia Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Brooksville, FL Age: 34 Posts: 183 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	42k for a fully loaded Focus ;You guys have to be joking. Then again last time I was at the hyundai dealer, the fully loaded Genisis model was beyond that. In Ford's defence, I went to a dealership while helping a girl buy a car a few years back. I tested the focus and was actually pretty surprised with its handling and power. It wasn't mesmerizing, but it was enlightening to see we dont produce pure garbage.