Official old grumpy assholes of zilvia thread

[potatomonkey99]

IMO LS swaps are lazy, unimaginative, and show that the owner doesn't respect the heritage of the the car they own
An LS in a 240 is just as bad as an LS in a classic muscle car.
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[Corbic]

Originally Posted by potatomonkey99

IMO LS swaps are lazy, unimaginative, and show that the owner doesn't respect the heritage of the the car they own

An LS in a 240 is just as bad as an LS in a classic muscle car.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Okay, sure budy.

Cause you know, following the JDM hype train of SR20det, GT28, 550cc, Apexi Commander and TE37s is sooo original and immagivtive.

Some people are not interested in making a fucking art statement and riding the IG Popularity Dick. They just want a bad ass car that's fun to drive.

Same goes for classic muscle cars. LS engines are astronomically better than an old SBC. Hell, they have stroker kidts for LS engines that will pull them out to more cubes then a BBC while being 2-300lbs lighter.

So if you want a reliable classic with a cheap, powerful, excellent performing engine? Yup, LS that crap.

[potatomonkey99]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Okay, sure budy.

Cause you know, following the JDM hype train of SR20det, GT28, 550cc, Apexi Commander and TE37s is sooo original and immagivtive.

Some people are not interested in making a fucking art statement and riding the IG Popularity Dick. They just want a bad ass car that's fun to drive.

Same goes for classic muscle cars. LS engines are astronomically better than an old SBC. Hell, they have stroker kidts for LS engines that will pull them out to more cubes then a BBC while being 2-300lbs lighter.

So if you want a reliable classic with a cheap, powerful, excellent performing engine? Yup, LS that crap.

LMAO you're just making assumptions that I'm an IG clout chaser without touching my argument. Its not about the clout or the hype, its about the heritage of the cars and what they where meant to be used for. For the record I'm not a huge fan of SR20's, im more partial to tiny 4 bangers and i6's like the RB or JZ's.

Slapping an LS into an schassis ruins the way the car handles by killing the weight balance. Putting a ton of torque down low on these light cars also basically renders them useless unless you turned your car into a drift slut.

The heritage example applies even more to old muscle. Why bother owning a piece of history if you're just going to chop it up and throw out its soul. if you want a drag car that what 4th gen 'marros, foxbodys, and other POS's are for.

yeah sure LS's make power but imo its pointless to throw them in a car they don't belong in. If you want cheap v8 power, go for modern muscle. Enjoy your crowd killers and boat anchors there.

(oh and LS swaps aren't more cheap or reliable than a comparable sr20, 2j etc)

[Farzam]

I think a lot of people dislike LS swaps cause they read it on the internet somewhere lol

I really hate a lot of the new 240 kids. They either want 4x4 status cars that look like AIDS or they are weaboo-types who have narrow mindsets and only want 1jz and sr20 lol.

LS are cool but I think they're just engines like any other and have their pitfalls. I have one in my car because it came in it and I wanted to maintain the "heritage" of the car but this is my last LS swapped car. I'd still buy cars that come with LS from the factory cause I like variety.

Variety. That's what people need to embrace. As I get older I get into tons of vehicles I wouldn't have looked twice at before. Now that I pay attention to them I realize how many cars I've missed out on cause I didn't wanna pay attention to them

P.S. 240sx were marketed towards hair dressers and receptionists so like...have fun preserving that heritage bo

[potatomonkey99]

Originally Posted by Farzam

I think a lot of people dislike LS swaps cause they read it on the internet somewhere lol

I think you got that backwards bud, it's the Instagram clout chasers that drive a clapped out Camry that I see bitching that people WONT swap their cars.
Hating LS swaps is a minority opinion nowadays

Originally Posted by Farzam

I really hate a lot of the new 240 kids. They either want 4x4 status cars that look like AIDS or they are weaboo-types who have narrow mindsets and only want 1jz and sr20 lol.

I'd never even think about sr20 or 2j swapping my car, if that's what you're implying. Also don't know what you mean by 4x4 status. I'm guessing you're talking about those off road 240's if which there are like 3 I've seen.

Originally Posted by Farzam

LS are cool but I think they're just engines like any other and have their pitfalls. I'd still buy cars that come with LS from the factory cause I like variety.

Variety. That's what people need to embrace. As I get older I get into tons of vehicles I wouldn't have looked twice at before. Now that I pay attention to them I realize how many cars I've missed out on cause I didn't wanna pay attention to them

I agree with this, anyone who thinks any engine is infallable is an idiot. Variety is also cool, I love seeing unorthodox swaps like 4g63 or K24. I don't like seeing played out unoriginal 2Jz and LS swaps.

Originally Posted by Farzam

P.S. 240sx were marketed towards hair dressers and receptionists so like...have fun preserving that heritage

So you're boiling the decades of history behind the car in Japan and in the states away to "it was just a hairdressers car lol"? If so why bother stuffing a V8 into it?

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by potatomonkey99

LMAO you're just making assumptions that I'm an IG clout chaser without touching my argument. Its not about the clout or the hype, its about the heritage of the cars and what they where meant to be used for.

Same difference. Your worried about image. You know what the 240's heritage is? Being a dirt cheap trash can car with a shit engine that's easy to shove a better engine in.

Originally Posted by potatomonkey99

For the record I'm not a huge fan of SR20's, im more partial to tiny 4 bangers and i6's like the RB or JZ's.

SR20 is a "tinny 4 banger"

Originally Posted by potatomonkey99

Slapping an LS into an schassis ruins the way the car handles by killing the weight balance. Putting a ton of torque down low on these light cars also basically renders them useless unless you turned your car into a drift slut.

You are a fucking idiot. It's only been proven time and time again across the ages that an aluminum block LS engine is retarded light. You sound like thr idiot weeboos on 240sxForums circa 2004 screaming not to do RB Swaps because it adds 100lbs and moves weight in front of the wheels.

Great theory on paper, but utterly wrong in practice. LS1 is going to be lighter than a RB or 2JZ.

As for torque... They do make tires wider than 235. Me thinks you've not driven a fast car before.

Originally Posted by potatomonkey99

The heritage example applies even more to old muscle. Why bother owning a piece of history if you're just going to chop it up and throw out its soul. if you want a drag car that what 4th gen 'marros, foxbodys, and other POS's are for.

Here we go again with the IG bullshit. Not everyone wants to needs a numbers matching original. Plenty just want a bad ass V8 Muscle car. How is dropping a 427ci stroked LS into a 6-banger Nova or a 350 Chevelle "destroying it"..

You do realize the Foxbody is now a classic that people are paying stupid money for, right?

Originally Posted by potatomonkey99

yeah sure LS's make power but imo its pointless to throw them in a car they don't belong in. If you want cheap v8 power, go for modern muscle. Enjoy your crowd killers and boat anchors there.

Once again, all worried about the hype train and no actual experience. The entire point of hot rodding is to be swapping engines and going fast.

Originally Posted by potatomonkey99

(oh and LS swaps aren't more cheap or reliable than a comparable sr20, 2j etc)

Except they are $/HP. By the time you upgrade your SR and transmission, you got LS money. You can buy a complete LS3 swap package for like $8k.

https://m.autozone.com/external-engi...evrolet/camaro

Can you get a 2JZ or SR head next day at your local auto zone?

[mad-ass]

I've helped few of my friends do LS2/T56 swap into S14 and FD chassis, and I have LS1/T56 myself in my current S14 of 12 years owner ship. I've done a lot more engine swaps helping my friends along and recommending them upgrades and what not(JZ/RB/4AGE...what ever popular engine insert here) but I've always kept my engines stock as possible for power figures because I like reliable cars that doesn't break down, and it has proven itself to me to do so. So when I wanted more power, I've looked for engines that just made more power and that was LS1 at the time I purchased the engine back in late 2008(I've been doing LS-V8 swaps since 2008, literally when everyone was still doing SR20DET swaps, yeah so boring and unimaginative I know.)

I've weight a lot of ups and downs of doing a V8 swap, so long that it actually took me 8 years before I started on my own LS swap into my car from the time of the engine purchase, and every bit of it made sense every time I thought about it.

I think most people that hate on the LS swap has never been in or driven one before, nor they have been in anything faster then 12sec car. Because the people that I know that have the LS swap their 90's cars doesn't go on public forum saying they hate different engine, nor do they flaunt about their LS swap cars to everyone they see, they are generally really good minded people.

Most people at some point in their life just want to buy something non-sense once when they have goals. Why not buy something that fulfills your requirement out of the box instead of buying something and modifying it to get it to the power figures you want it to at a cost of reliability? I know for fact really healthy stock SR20DET will dyno at about 175WHP, because I've had a stock SR20DET for years that I beat on without issues, and I also happen to know stock LS1 will dyno at 300~320whp. How much parts do you have to throw at the SR20DET to make it 300whp reliable? at bare minimum injectors($500 ish), turbo($1000+), tune-able Computer(AEM V2, $1200), and tune($500+); by the time you are done, you are more than 3/4 way into doing LS-V8 swap. This would of course be a different story if the 240SX's in USA came with SR20DET from factory, but that's not the case here so don't bring that up in your rebuttal potatomonkey99, if you have one.

Please keep telling me LS-V8 swaps are boring, because if I want 70whp gain, it'll cost me $300 in a cam upgrade and day's worth of work.

[e30gangsta]

I don't mind ls engines. I just don't think they fit the pedigree of s chassis cars. They're dead reliable, make good power, cheap to go fast and honestly a great powerplant. I just personally don't like them in S chassis. Plus I personally hate the way they sound. Unfortunately, that means I only have one option for my build due to my opinion/preferences. VVL Sr here I come. I hope my wallet is ready lol.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by e30gangsta

I don't mind ls engines. I just don't think they fit the pedigree of s chassis cars. They're dead reliable, make good power, cheap to go fast and honestly a great powerplant. I just personally don't like them in S chassis. Plus I personally hate the way they sound. Unfortunately, that means I only have one option for my build due to my opinion/preferences. VVL Sr here I come. I hope my wallet is ready lol.

Just swap a K24 or F22. Thank me later.

Better, cheaper engines with bigger aftermarkets and more readily available parts. Engines are also domestically available and only a few years old.

Doing a SR20VET already means tons of customs work and wiring. The stock SR trans is trash so you'll want a T56, RB/VG or CD009, meaning you'll need an adapter..... So just do the Honda swap.

Whole YouTube series on it now.




https://youtu.be/Hpmc7Hkvn0U

[mad-ass]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Just swap a K24 or F22. Thank me later.

Better, cheaper engines with bigger aftermarkets and more readily available parts. Engines are also domestically available and only a few years old.

Doing a SR20VET already means tons of customs work and wiring. The stock SR trans is trash so you'll want a T56, RB/VG or CD009, meaning you'll need an adapter..... So just do the Honda swap.

Whole YouTube series on it now.

I was about to say very similar response. Honestly there are endless aftermarket support for the Honda-K serise engines that it should be more realistic for most people I think. like Miata folks have it figured out and they have gone past the K motors into doing V6 swaps(check out flyingmiata).

What pedigree are you talking about though? it's not like KA engine was light, SR is not a light engine either with the turbo.

[Corbic]

This will get some panties bunched up.

[feito]

Originally Posted by Corbic

This will get some panties bunched up.

retarded engine swap pix

you SOB! One might not believe, but there's a god up there, and he likes cars, and he knows right mods from wrongs, and he's keeping count, and all of you lousy bastards bastardizing jdm cars with those cheap easy horsepower making v8's are gonna pay!

[crzsteveo]

im angry now.

[gbaby2089]

F you guys.

Leave Honda engines alone.

Especially F-series stuff. An F20/F22 is way pricier than an SR20 you dingleberries.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

F you guys.

Leave Honda engines alone.

Especially F-series stuff. An F20/F22 is way pricier than an SR20 you dingleberries.

We're talking about a SR20 with a VVL head swap.

Besides, K24's are like $300.

[gbaby2089]

Originally Posted by Corbic

We're talking about a SR20 with a VVL head swap.

Besides, K24's are like $300.

Y'all can have fun with the $300 K24A4, those things suck

And considering a good F20/F22 is going to run you $3-6k, have fun with that.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

Y'all can have fun with the $300 K24A4, those things suck

And considering a good F20/F22 is going to run you $3-6k, have fun with that.

Boost fixes all problems man.

What's a VVL swap going to run you? Conversion kit alone is $2k and you still need two engines.

K-series is a better designed engine, plain and simple. It's nearly 20 years newer in design, huge aftermarket and huge production surplus of used parts.

5 seconds on eBay an A2 is $500 for a long block and $900 to $1200 complete. These are also engines as little as 5 years old with warranties compared to 25 year old SRs that have been beat to death.

[jedi03]

In 1966, Don Yenko was impressed enough with the late model Chevrolet Corvair's handling, and decided to apply for SCCA approval of the Corsa model for racing. The sanctioning body approved the cars with back seat removed and upgrades to the Corsa engine increasing horsepower and torque. The 100 1966 Corsas that received certification were all painted white and most had blue striping, and were named "Yenko Stinger".
Yenko continued to modify Corvair coupes as Stingers for the rest of the car's production run. The last Stinger was a 1969 coupe, after which Corvair production ceased for good at Willow Run, Michigan. Charlie Doerge wrote a book on the Yenko Stinger and some of Don's escapades in 2011. The book lists many original and subsequent owners, as well as known racing history with much information on all of the cars that were produced. Jay Leno in a video has declared it "the bible for Yenko Stinger owners".
When the Camaro entered the pony car fray in 1967, Yenko transplanted Chevrolet's 427 cubic inch (7 L), 425hp (317 kW) L-72 engine (along with other high-performance parts) and created the Yenko Camaro. The 1967 & 1968 427 Camaros were so popular that, in 1969, Yenko used Chevrolet's Central Office Production Order (COPO) system to have L-72 engines installed into Chevrolet Camaros and Chevelles.
In 1971 and 1972, Yenko sold the Yenko Stinger Vega. Based on the Chevrolet Vega GT Hatchback, the Stinger Vega included front and rear spoilers and Yenko Stinger side striping and a special COPO engine with alloy-plated forged aluminum pistons. The modified Vega aluminum-block 2.3 inline 4 with a turbocharger and 155 hp required a 50,000 mile test for EPA certification and Don Yenko backed out in the final hour[1], while Chevy did not take the hint on its marketing potential as neither the Yenko-requested higher-compression engine blocks nor factory equipped turbo engines were ever built. The Stinger Vega was offered from Yenko Chevrolet through 1972 without the Turbo installed, but Yenko did offer the Turbo as an aftermarket kit.
The high performance and limited production of all Yenko-modified cars makes them valuable and prized to collectors.


Courtesy Wikipedia...swaps are terrible and worthless lol

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by jedi03

Courtesy Wikipedia...swaps are terrible and worthless lol

It's pretty much accepted that John DeLoreon invented the Muscle Car when he swapped a Pontiac 389 into a Lemans/Tempest.

This was the 60's equivalent of dropping a Lexus RC-F V8 into a GT86.

[gbaby2089]

Oh, the K series is superior to every engine Nissan has ever built.

I'm saying stop fcking up our supply.

[e30gangsta]

I love the k series, my neighbor has a built 4 piston 163 crate motor from them and that thing rips! Made like 320 whp N/A. The only reason I'm deciding to do VVL is because the Silvia I own already came with the SR.

In my opinion the k series is the best 4 cylinder motor ever made. Stupid reliable, tons of parts/aftermarket support, and great power.

[jumpman2334]

watching corbic rustle a bunch of jimmies and panties was the highlight of my birthday thus far. thank you corbic.

[gbaby2089]

Originally Posted by jumpman2334

watching corbic rustle a bunch of jimmies and panties was the highlight of my birthday thus far. thank you corbic.

I'm sorry. That's really quite depressing.

[spooled240]

What makes the engine so great? I've driven a K20 and it was fun, but it didn't wake up until 8k rpms. .4L really makes that much of a difference? It revs lower too..






Also, *In before ugly ass k-swapped mustang dragster post*

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by spooled240

What makes the engine so great? I've driven a K20 and it was fun, but it didn't wake up until 8k rpms. .4L really makes that much of a difference? It revs lower too..






Also, *In before ugly ass k-swapped mustang dragster post*

Really bro?

Some of the best heads in the industry
VVT
Forged Crank
Strong Block
Piston Oil Squiters
Timing Chain
Strong rods and pistons
Huge aftermarket
Cheap Longblocks

You'll be making 450-600hp with an appropriate sized turbo at 10-12psi all day long. Unlike an SR you won't be needing head work and cams.

No replacement for displacement. 400cc is an 18% increase in displacement. Guys spend $5k to build 2.2l SR strokers. A K24 is just 100cc less then a RB25 in displacement while being almost 200lbs lighter.

For the money of a 2.2 SR stroker, you could have a 2.7L K-series.

[spooled240]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Really bro?

Some of the best heads in the industry
VVT
Forged Crank
Strong Block
Piston Oil Squiters
Timing Chain
Strong rods and pistons
Huge aftermarket
Cheap Longblocks

You'll be making 450-600hp with an appropriate sized turbo at 10-12psi all day long. Unlike an SR you won't be needing head work and cams.

No replacement for displacement. 400cc is an 18% increase in displacement. Guys spend $5k to build 2.2l SR strokers. A K24 is just 100cc less then a RB25 in displacement while being almost 200lbs lighter.

For the money of a 2.2 SR stroker, you could have a 2.7L K-series.

Ok, the engine has potential. A KA24 also has potential with the right mods. How much is it to swap that in a 240 if you are not a skilled fabricator? Can you run A/C? Will all the gauges work?


I don't think SR's are worth building, but a KA-T with an EFR 7163, E85 and a z32 trans could put down 450-600hp and it's all bolt-on.

[xschylerx]

Originally Posted by spooled240

a ka-t with an efr 7163, e85 and a z32 trans could put down 450-600hp and it's all bolt-on.

ka is king!

[jumpman2334]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

I'm sorry. That's really quite depressing.

i am a simple person. it doesn't take much to make me happy. with that being said, i still dont like you.

[jumpman2334]

ive seen plenty of JZ swapped z32s. what is your cooling issue.

[bardabe]

Originally Posted by jumpman2334

ive seen plenty of JZ swapped z32s. what is your cooling issue.

can't hot lap them for 25-30 mins straight. not enough room for a proper radiator and fan setup without major chassis modifications. All the ideas I had for a better cooling setup involved turning the Z into a full on Nascar / rear mounted radiator.

Street driving / Highway runs / Drag Racing is no problem. it's road racing that's an issue with them.