Marijuana Legalization Debate *NO PICTURES*

[SochBAT]

Dumb potheads, smart potheads.

Dumb people that should die, Smart people that should live.

You've got the bad and the good. In even amounts. Most people say they've never met a smart pothead. Maybe they're just smart enough to stay away from your judgmental thinking?

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But in all honesty, decriminalizing it does a shitload for the States. It creates jobs, frees up prison space for rapists/murders/pedobears.

And, if it is able to be sold and consumed just like Cigarettes, it completely removes the criminal element.

You trade this..



For this...

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Originally Posted by Soooshi

Dumb potheads, smart potheads.

Dumb people that should die, Smart people that should live.

You've got the bad and the good. In even amounts. Most people say they've never met a smart pothead. Maybe they're just smart enough to stay away from your judgmental thinking?

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But in all honesty, decriminalizing it does a shitload for the States. It creates jobs, frees up prison space for rapists/murders/pedobears.

And, if it is able to be sold and consumed just like Cigarettes, it completely removes the criminal element.

You trade this..



For this...

Well the majority of Americans smoke canabis at least once every 6 months. The "dumb" Americans could just be the one's that are shouting to the heavens how coooooool weed is while the "smart" people don't.

[S14_Kouki]

Originally Posted by Mi Beardo es Loco

Well the majority of Americans smoke canabis at least once every 6 months. The "dumb" Americans could just be the one's that are shouting to the heavens how coooooool weed is while the "smart" people don't.

Im sure atleast half of america smokes or has tryed marijuana and thats just the amount we know about.

[johngriff]

This is the worst marijuana debate I have ever read.

A close relative of mine is prescribed for anxiety. They are unemployed and have tried and been denied private Health insurance because of anxiety as a pre-existing condition. I have seen first hand their use of THC to alleviate this symptom.

I cannot say I agree to any extent that "smoking" anything can be healthy for you. But digestion through food and pill supplements sees to work perfect for them, and they say they are not "high" and just feel relief.

With them I have been to dispensaries and the majority of which I only see people under 30 as patients. Now this can either be that age group lacks insurance, and is self medicating, or they took advantage of the very lax prescribing doctors in this state. When my family member went to see the 'prescribing physician' she barely had 4 words out of her mouth after anxiety and she had the prescription in her hand. They didn't want to see her past medical records (which she brought), just $125 and thanks.

So, me myself not being a pot user, I have seen the good effects first hand, though I think there is more diversion in the medical pot game in California than you would find with other prescription drugs.

Those of you asking why its not legal in other states... well states rights under the constitution. Organize, petition and vote and it will be yours. I do not think smoking anything is a good way of injesting medication.

Finally, when the pot production lobby gets as large or LARGER than the cotton lobby, that is when you will see the full legalization happen.

[S14_Kouki]

Originally Posted by johngriff

This is the worst marijuana debate I have ever read.

A close relative of mine is prescribed for anxiety. They are unemployed and have tried and been denied private Health insurance because of anxiety as a pre-existing condition. I have seen first hand their use of THC to alleviate this symptom.

I cannot say I agree to any extent that "smoking" anything can be healthy for you. But digestion through food and pill supplements sees to work perfect for them, and they say they are not "high" and just feel relief.

With them I have been to dispensaries and the majority of which I only see people under 30 as patients. Now this can either be that age group lacks insurance, and is self medicating, or they took advantage of the very lax prescribing doctors in this state. When my family member went to see the 'prescribing physician' she barely had 4 words out of her mouth after anxiety and she had the prescription in her hand. They didn't want to see her past medical records (which she brought), just $125 and thanks.

So, me myself not being a pot user, I have seen the good effects first hand, though I think there is more diversion in the medical pot game in California than you would find with other prescription drugs.

Those of you asking why its not legal in other states... well states rights under the constitution. Organize, petition and vote and it will be yours. I do not think smoking anything is a good way of injesting medication.

Finally, when the pot production lobby gets as large or LARGER than the cotton lobby, that is when you will see the full legalization happen.

I actually think this is a good marijuana debate. I dont know who you are to just jump in here and tell us we all suck at talking about something .

All you told us in your story is that marijuana helps your relative. Thats good for them im glad it helps. We know about how laws get passed in states and each state can do there own thing, well atleast us smart people know.

I just dont think its cool that you can have weed in one state and have a chance to go to jail, but you drive 10 feet over a state line and your free to have it on you.

Yes smoking is bad for you. But they do make a thing call a vaporizer that only burns the THC and its 110% better for your health. So you dont have to smoke the whole plant.

[I LUV MY S13]

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[S14_Kouki]

Originally Posted by I LUV MY S13

vote to legalize marijuana or keep it illegal. on CNN today obama will consider with 1 million votes.

call 973-409-3274

I called hope it does not charge me money lol

[yota man]

Originally Posted by S14_Kouki

I called hope it does not charge me money lol

heres the whole story on that

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[S14_Kouki]

Originally Posted by yota man

heres the whole story on that

Marijuana Phone Poll NOT a Scam, Just Confusing | Show Me the Facts

Awesome so has anyone else called this number??

[ThatGuy]

Question:

Why not make Medical Marijuana only available in a different from. Provide vaporizes, or take it in pill form/ingest it, etc. That seems to me like it would provide a better definite difference between those that ACTUALLY NEED the Medical Marijuana and those that are fucking the system just so they can "legally" smoke out.

Just a thought. Discuss.

[S14_Kouki]

^^^ Well to get to that stat ie a pill or food you still have to grow the marijuana. They do offer it in other forms ie pills,gum,food its just up to the actually person to decide how they what to consume the product. Smoking has just always been the default of doing something. But they do say you feel "more" high when we eat it rather then smoke. Because alot of the THC is not burned or inhaled when smoking. When you cook it theres a greater concentration of THC. Thats also why a vaporizer is awesome because it only burns the THC so you get 100% THC and its healthier cause your not smoking the plant. Even if the non legit costumer stops buying from the store because they dont have actually weed, they will just go to there dealer and prob get it cheaper and still have a get out of jail free card.

[cc4usmc]

Baby Found Under Influence Of Pot, 1 Arrested - cbs13.com

YAY FOR POTHEADS!

[S14_Kouki]

Originally Posted by cc4usmc

Baby Found Under Influence Of Pot, 1 Arrested - cbs13.com

YAY FOR POTHEADS!

Is it just potheads or stupid ass white trash. How did the hospital find out???

[cc4usmc]

I don't know about you, but Jonathon Velasquez doesn't sound like a white trash name to me. I'll try not to make any assumptions about the type of person you are after that comment, but I can't guarantee others wont.

[S14_Kouki]

Originally Posted by cc4usmc

I don't know about you, but Jonathon Velasquez doesn't sound like a white trash name to me. I'll try not to make any assumptions about the type of person you are after that comment, but I can't guarantee others wont.

They can make all the assumptions they want. I know im not going to gave a baby weed to eat/smoke. I just wont to know how it happen. The news reporters dont even know if he ate it or smoked it. Why cant a guy name Jonathon be white trash??? I mean shit did you ever think we would have a president named Barack Obama

[cc4usmc]

Originally Posted by S14_Kouki

They can make all the assumptions they want. I know im not going to gave a baby weed to eat/smoke. I just wont to know how it happen. The news reporters dont even know if he ate it or smoked it. Why cant a guy name Jonathon be white trash??? I mean shit did you ever think we would have a president named Barack Obama

First, you missed what I was trying to say when I said people might make assumptions about you. Second, are you blind? This is kind of ironic, me asking you if you're blind when I missed the question in your thread, but fuck it. I don't see how you could completely miss his last name.

Velasquez
Velasquez
Velasquez

Does't sound quite white to me. Sure, he could be white, but for you to just assume that he's white even with that name is pretty ignorant.

What does it matter if the baby ate it or smoked it? Intentional or unintentional, that's pretty fucking irresponsible.

Barack Obama is our prez? I had NO idea.

[ESmorz]

Originally Posted by cc4usmc

First, you missed what I was trying to say when I said people might make assumptions about you. Second, are you blind? This is kind of ironic, me asking you if you're blind when I missed the question in your thread, but fuck it. I don't see how you could completely miss his last name.

Velasquez
Velasquez
Velasquez

Does't sound quite white to me. Sure, he could be white, but for you to just assume that he's white even with that name is pretty ignorant.

What does it matter if the baby ate it or smoked it? Intentional or unintentional, that's pretty fucking irresponsible.

Barack Obama is our prez? I had NO idea.

Buuuuuuuuuddy where have you been?

Nug lyfe ya'll.

[S14_Kouki]

Originally Posted by cc4usmc

First, you missed what I was trying to say when I said people might make assumptions about you. Second, are you blind? This is kind of ironic, me asking you if you're blind when I missed the question in your thread, but fuck it. I don't see how you could completely miss his last name.

Velasquez
Velasquez
Velasquez

Does't sound quite white to me. Sure, he could be white, but for you to just assume that he's white even with that name is pretty ignorant.

What does it matter if the baby ate it or smoked it? Intentional or unintentional, that's pretty fucking irresponsible.

Barack Obama is our prez? I had NO idea.

Having a kid before the ago of 22 is irresponsible having a kid with no loving parents with no good house with no good supporting job is irresponsible. Yeah mistakes happen but they should not happen if your playing with life. Yes this dude is irresponsible and stupid for letting this happen. But who said he was a pothead what if he was cracked out pilled the fuck out of his mind on pcp. Just saying why does he have to be called a pothead just because pot was there???

[cc4usmc]

Originally Posted by ESmorz

Buuuuuuuuuddy where have you been?

Nug lyfe ya'll.

I found something else to consume my life lol. Sadly, it's become boring, which is why I'm posting here

Originally Posted by S14_Kouki

Having a kid before the ago of 22 is irresponsible having a kid with no loving parents with no good house with no good supporting job is irresponsible. Yeah mistakes happen but they should not happen if your playing with life. Yes this dude is irresponsible and stupid for letting this happen. But who said he was a pothead what if he was cracked out pilled the fuck out of his mind on pcp. Just saying why does he have to be called a pothead just because pot was there???

Having a kid before the ago of 22 is irresponsible. <---- Matter of opinion

Right, mistakes can happen. For all we know, Jonathon Velasquez accidentally dropped a nugget and the kid picked it up and ate it. Imagine if weed was legal, would it be safe to assume that there would be more nugget droppage? Of course. Had Jonathon Velasquez not had weed, the situation would have never occurred.

Are you upset because I used the word "pothead"?

Later guys, off to see Zombieland!

[S14_Kouki]

Originally Posted by cc4usmc

I found something else to consume my life lol. Sadly, it's become boring, which is why I'm posting here




Having a kid before the ago of 22 is irresponsible. <---- Matter of opinion

Right, mistakes can happen. For all we know, Jonathon Velasquez accidentally dropped a nugget and the kid picked it up and ate it. Imagine if weed was legal, would it be safe to assume that there would be more nugget droppage? Of course. Had Jonathon Velasquez not had weed, the situation would have never occurred.

Are you upset because I used the word "pothead"?

Later guys, off to see Zombieland!

Suppose Jonathon Velasquez does not smoke and his gf or friend dropped it?? Wheres the proof he did it???


If weed if legal or illegal there will still be dumb asses in this world we can not help that.

Im not at all upset you used the word pothead...........well whats your definition of "pothead"???? Is someone that smokes because of cancer or relieves them of pain a "pothead". How often does someone have to smoke to be consider a pothead???

[cc4usmc]

Originally Posted by S14_Kouki

Suppose Jonathon Velasquez does not smoke and his gf or friend dropped it?? Wheres the proof he did it???

If weed if legal or illegal there will still be dumb asses in this world we can not help that.

Im not at all upset you used the word pothead...........well whats your definition of "pothead"???? Is someone that smokes because of cancer or relieves them of pain a "pothead". How often does someone have to smoke to be consider a pothead???

1: If the weed wasn't present, it would have never happened. Period. I never said that he was in fact the one that did it. I only mentioned his name because you brought up the "white trash" comment. I don't know why you continue to go astray from the info that you read.

2: Right, there will still be dumbass people. So then would me we shouldn't limit who could buy guns, drink alcohol, give drivers licenses yata yata.

3. A pothead, in my definition, is someone who smokes for other then medical purposes, and acts like a dumbass. I'm not against smoking at all, what you do in your house is your business. Sorta like being gay, hell, even religion. If it's in your house, more power to you, but don't try to dump that shit on my front porch.

4: What is your deal with ??????????? ?

[S14_Kouki]

Originally Posted by cc4usmc

1: If the weed wasn't present, it would have never happened. Period. I never said that he was in fact the one that did it. I only mentioned his name because you brought up the "white trash" comment. I don't know why you continue to go astray from the info that you read.

2: Right, there will still be dumbass people. So then would me we shouldn't limit who could buy guns, drink alcohol, give drivers licenses yata yata.

3. A pothead, in my definition, is someone who smokes for other then medical purposes, and acts like a dumbass. I'm not against smoking at all, what you do in your house is your business. Sorta like being gay, hell, even religion. If it's in your house, more power to you, but don't try to dump that shit on my front porch.

4: What is your deal with ??????????? ?

And I quote "I never said that he was in fact the one that did it"

Then dont automatically assume he is the one at fault here and call him a pothead.


And I quote " So then would me we shouldn't limit who could buy guns, drink alcohol, give drivers licenses yata yata."

I dont understand from your non making cents here. But we do limit those with ages and tests.

Yes if someone is stupid enough to let a kid get a hold of weed then yes they are indeed "white trash low lifes" Just because you are not white does not mean you can be considered "white trash".

What word would you like other then white trash???

Your definition stats the "pothead" has to be a dumbass right. My point is we dont even know if it was his fault he could of been babysitting when this happen. There is no conclusive evidence that shows it was his fault. Pot stays in your system for a couple days, weeks this could have happened somewhere else days before, then the baby went to the doc thats when it was discovered. Shit for all we know the kid could of found it in his class room and the pot feel out of his teachers purse.


Im not saying by any means anything that happen was ok. Im just saying ppl get bad names from ppl (like you) jump to conclusions before they know all the facts.

[cc4usmc]

Originally Posted by S14_Kouki

And I quote "I never said that he was in fact the one that did it"

Then dont automatically assume he is the one at fault here and call him a pothead.

The only time I ever suggested that he was the one responsible for giving the baby weed was when I was using him as an example. I think the reason you're so adamant about this is because it's the one way you think you can one up me. You're talking like this poor guy is completely innocent, but then, he was the person who was arrested.

Oh hey, look at this.. a direct quote from you..

Originally Posted by S14_Kouki

Yes this dude is irresponsible and stupid for letting this happen. But who said he was a pothead what if he was cracked out pilled the fuck out of his mind on pcp.

Sounds like you're pretty convinced he did it, so let's drop the whole "zomg why you hatin" bs.

Originally Posted by S14_Kouki

And I quote " So then would me we shouldn't limit who could buy guns, drink alcohol, give drivers licenses yata yata."

I dont understand from your non making cents here. But we do limit those with ages and tests.

Talk about non making sense. Are you drunk? If there is anyone here not making sense it's you. I was being sarcastic about not limiting ages, but that went way over your head.

Originally Posted by S14_Kouki

Yes if someone is stupid enough to let a kid get a hold of weed then yes they are indeed "white trash low lifes" Just because you are not white does not mean you can be considered "white trash".

So if a black guy or a mexican guy lets a kid get to some weed, they're white trash? That's what you're trying to say?. Hmm.. interesting. I'd think that if you're going to make a derogatory statement towards or about someone, you'd at least use one that went along with their nationality.

Originally Posted by S14_Kouki

Your definition stats the "pothead" has to be a dumbass right. My point is we dont even know if it was his fault he could of been babysitting when this happen. There is no conclusive evidence that shows it was his fault. Pot stays in your system for a couple days, weeks this could have happened somewhere else days before, then the baby went to the doc thats when it was discovered. Shit for all we know the kid could of found it in his class room and the pot feel out of his teachers purse.

From the article...

"Jonathon Velasquez, 22, of South Vacaville, is accused of allowing the baby to ingest or inhale the marijuana, resulting in the need for the child to be treated immediately."

Damn, there went that entire entire argument. Oh and again, I never said that he actually did it. But you did!

You wont see me call a person who smokes weed and hasn't been caught for something stupid a pothead. When someone who smokes weed gets caught for doing something stupid, then they're a pothead. Just so we're all clear, that's is a pothead in my opinion.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pothead
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O999-pothead.html

Damn, according to those links, you don't even have to be a dumbass to be a pothead, you just have to smoke weed on a regular basis.

I'm done. Whatever you're smokin, it must be good!

[S14_Kouki]

Originally Posted by cc4usmc

Are you drunk?

You mistook everything I said. But yes I was drunk lastnight (thats the only thing you got right). But I should not say that cause your going to start assuming im a alcoholic right. Im not getting this thread closed im done arguing. If you want to argue about this PM me cause I know your all butt hurt about the other thread. And I dont smoke


PS your sig quote is awesome

[drift_limo]

i guess obama is a good president for what he did the other day.

Also I find it funny that after they announce the news about medical MJ for patients.
some one took at picture of a a 2 year old takin a hit from a pipe.

peoplel like that should be thrown in jail. Thats what fucks it up for us patients, or true smokes ( by true smokes I mean the people that arent just in it to get high like young dumb kids but people that have knowledge of hemp and kinds of hemps)

[dert420sx]

just thought i'd throw this out there as evidence that there needs to be more testing on the medical benefits of mj.

interesting articles written by the mother of an autistic child who, after exhausting hers & her husband's wallets on man-made pharmaceuticals with no help for their son, decides to go ahead with the medical mj.

i'd cliff it but to really get the feel and emotion across, you'd have to read it in her own words. it truly is quite a good read and explains the ordeal from a parent's view.

part I is about a month into treatment
Why I am giving marijuana to my 9-year-old autistic son.

Part II is about 4 mos into the treatment
Why I give marijuana to my autistic child.

[aNskY]

^ i have found that "autism" in a lot of cases is a parent's excuse for an obnoxious child. more parenting, less weed would go a long way.

[Walperstyle]

^or its caused by pressure from the skull on the brain

[Sleepy240]

Originally Posted by Walperstyle

^or its caused by pressure from the skull on the brain

Are you serious? Autism is a genetic disorder not some issue with pressure from the skull.

Originally Posted by dert420sx

just thought i'd throw this out there as evidence that there needs to be more testing on the medical benefits of mj.

interesting articles written by the mother of an autistic child who, after exhausting hers & her husband's wallets on man-made pharmaceuticals with no help for their son, decides to go ahead with the medical mj.

i'd cliff it but to really get the feel and emotion across, you'd have to read it in her own words. it truly is quite a good read and explains the ordeal from a parent's view.

part I is about a month into treatment
Why I am giving marijuana to my 9-year-old autistic son.

Part II is about 4 mos into the treatment
Why I give marijuana to my autistic child.

The problem is what works for one might not work for all. How long until we have 12 year olds using marijuana because it "helps" with their ADHD? Personally I think medical marijuana should only be available to adults over a certain age. Like somebody else stated that dispenseries mainly cater to the 20 somethings who may or may not be using it medically. I'd be interested to see how many people would be interested in "legalizing" if they couldn't get a prescription up until a certain age or all the other options are exhausted.

[S14_Kouki]

Originally Posted by aNskY

^ i have found that "autism" in a lot of cases is a parent's excuse for an obnoxious child. more parenting, less weed would go a long way.

lol I dont think autism is caused from parents not being around or giving enough love.

Originally Posted by Sleepy240

How long until we have 12 year olds using marijuana because it "helps" with their ADHD? Personally I think medical marijuana should only be available to adults over a certain age.

As long as it helps I dont see why its not a prob under parents supervision. I do think marijuana should be only given to adults. But shit they give kids prescription pills if they get hurt or if they really need them (for whatever reason). Why cant kids take prescription marijuana under supervision. If it really helps the kid and its the safer choice, then I would rather see a kid eat a marijuana cookie then take a hand full of random pills.

Marijuana > pills