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09-17-2019, 08:38 PM | #391 |
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Yep, gun owners have been compromising since 1934 without receiving anything in return...
I spent the first half of my life living in Southern California and would love to move back, but the existing gun laws over there prevent that from happening. |
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09-18-2019, 03:26 PM | #393 | |
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I would like to see the numbers on this to see if it is far less expensive like he says
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09-18-2019, 03:31 PM | #394 |
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Yeah I'm not really understanding the huge impact here..Aren't most, if not all new cars sold in CA identical to the same model cars sold in other states with less stringent smog standards? Unless there's some BS smog tax in CA that he trying to eliminate?
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09-18-2019, 04:12 PM | #396 | |
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To achieve 54mpg fleet, makers are going to be forced to cram expensive hybrid/EV tech into every car, expensive materials to reduce weight and cut every non-madated safety system to meet these thresholds. A Chevy Tahoe is safer then a Honda Fit. There is just no way around those physics. Cars that do match great mileage and great safety are also extremely expensive, like a Tesla S or many luxury European cars. EPA and FMVS have absolutely pushed up the price of New Cars. A 60's loaded top engine Muscle car was $20k adjusted for inflation. A pedestrian Nova or Falcon barely $12k. With advancements in production I bet these cars would cost 2/3s of that today. My Wife's 2015 Volkswagen Polo (Rus), manual, turbo, front airbags, ABS was only $9,950 new. Build, Size, Interior and Safety are on par with a MKIV Jetta. Cheapest American Volkswagen is $19k, twice the price. Who wouldn't buy a new S15 for $16k or R32 GTR for $25k? I assure you they are not melting the ice caps and murdering childern on the highways. |
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09-19-2019, 12:47 PM | #397 | |
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^^^I get the thought behind it. I just want to see some hard numbers.
For instance in this article different people say different things. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sac...235219252.html Then there is this point. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usa...amp/2365337001 In the world of political softball would an auto maker really change up their plans Knowing the president will not be in power forever and that another president one day could simply reverse the rules. Plus vehicles for sale in 2023 are likely in production or Bill phase now so it’s not like it would have a an immediate effect.
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Cars are also being held longer then ever, 12 year average now. While many will hail rust control and reliability, the fact is most people will say "I just can't afford a new $60k truck or $600/m for a Camry" Quote:
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Take the politics out of it, and it's just idiotic that California (et al) are able to bully OEMs and people into subverting Federal standards. It's not just Intial sales that are an issue for OEMs and consumers, but also used vehicles. Cali (et al) have no problem rejecting registrations and certificates of other used vehicles. If OEM choose to say "fuck CARB" you'll be seeing lawsuits when someone buys a car in Texas then moves to Cali and can't register it. It's interfering with interstate commerce. So for all the leftist suddenly "OMG States Rights Hypocrites!", yes, Indiana has a right not to be bludgeoned into adopting California standards by sheer economic/numerical force. This is also why we need to maintain the Electoral College. As for the tree huggers, tail pipe emissions are not an issue. Oil companies don't care about automotive gasoline. 12 Largest Container ships (ones importing made in China slave labor Facist state products) contribute more pollution then ALL THR CARS IN THE WORLD. All the Smog in Cali is from... Those Chinese Factories. Oil production primarily supports electricity production, industrial bases, heating and.... PLASTIC. Anything you own, touch or use that contains plastic is a petroleum product. Oil companies do not care about MPG. Such narrow minded morons. Emerging markets are adding millions of new vehicles. New plastic products add billions of barrels of crude. Expanding industrial nations can't get enough crude oil. Big Oil has done zilch to increase Gasoline production. They don't care, they'll just adjust prices and maitian margins. |
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09-24-2019, 12:42 PM | #399 |
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I guess the good news is we're getting to see the DNC shed the sheep's clothing in a desperate attempt to pander and remain relevant.
This is a scary reminder of the greatest weakness in a democracy: Before the left went far left, we always had a national identy and a common core value system. Arguments on policy and law where nuanced and technical. Today, as the DNC drifts down the rabbit hole there is a growing divide. We see this frequently with failed democracies oversees. The majority takes power and operates with inpunity. Rampet corruption and abuse, they pass laws, policies and programs to the detriment of the minority group. Then the minority group reacts with violence and insurgence because they are unable to operate in the political space. |
09-24-2019, 12:53 PM | #400 |
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Another baffling thing, in a quest to destroy thr oppsotion at all costs, the DNC remains against Trump and the trade war with China.
This should be universally praised by everyone. It should be a nuanced discussion, not a for/against. Debate should be how. Much tarrif, tarrif on what? What sort of sanction? Travel Limits? Banking restrictions? This topic hits everyone's interest. American Jobs and Industry America's Technical and Innovative Advantage American Defense America's Economy Quality of Life Human Rights Dictatorships Gender, Race and Religious Freedom Anti-Facists Climate Change / Polution Ocean Polition Anti-Colonialism Anti-Usery Protection of American Allies World Peace |
09-24-2019, 06:26 PM | #401 |
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Any trade war is regressive. Those who can afford the increase least pay the brunt. The wealthy buy products made all over the world but the poor are limited to inexpensive items made in China, primarily. No one should want a trade war with China because it's unnecessarily painful for lower-income Americans.
I do business in China. The majority of my manufacturing is done in Shenzhen. Other than a single company in the US, there is no one to do my manufacturing here- not at the quantity I order. Even that company would require I treble my next order; no small feat and a literal impossibility given the cost of components. When I went to China to vet companies, I heard "yes" a lot. I heard low MOQs. I saw technologically able and dynamic companies hungry for business. If we decide that nationalism is the word of the day, we'll fall behind. We'll make expensive products that are subsidized rather than competitive. We'll fall victim to narcissism, to politics, to cronyism, to nepotism. We'll stagnate and we'll have no one to blame but ourselves. We need to celebrate American dynamism but also realize that certain industries just don't need our involvement. Maybe we can build a better, more ecologically-sound mousetrap, but that will come organically, not as the result of tariffs and protectionism. |
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The jobs shipped over seas are the low paying, low skilled jobs. The inexpensive garbage products that come back, think Walmart, also keep the poor in a cycle of procurement. Think of the lesson about cheap boots vs expensive boots. Quote:
Inexpensive products are made all over the world. Taiwan, Korea, Vietnam, Thailand, India, Pakistan, Turkey, Brazil, Mexico, Poland, Russia, Egypt, etc. Quote:
China is a criminal enterprise who has profited from theft, extortion, murder, corruption and political bullying. Quote:
[QUOTE=KA24DESOneThree;6358372] Other than a single company in the US, there is no one to do my manufacturing here- not at the quantity I order. Even that company would require I treble my next order; no small feat and a literal impossibility given the cost of components./QUOTE] Sounds like an opportunity to make a fortune then. Quote:
So what. Doesn't excuse the genocide, organ harvesting, concentration camps, IP theft, human rights violation, pollution, corruption, financial market manipulation, espionage, colonization, etc Quote:
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What the fuck does any of that have to do with standing up to China and not letting them make a mockary of western human values? In a hundred years transnational manufacturering will be looked at the same way we look at 18th century slavery. Funny how people that demand $20/hr, free healthcare and think college is a human right... Also expect to buy cheap iPhones made by economic slaves at $5/day living under a fascist nightmare that is destroying the world's ecology. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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The inexpensive goods are all people can afford and yes, it does keep people in a cycle of procurement. However, when you need shoes and all you have is $25, you can't stretch for the $75 shoes. You literally cannot afford to buy quality products when you're living paycheck to paycheck, even if they save money in the long run. $25 shoes from China are better quality than $25 shoes would be from the US. Reduce the cost of labor, increase the quality without decreasing the profit margin. Quote:
US minimum wage: $7.25/hr. Taiwan minimum wage $4.92/hr, Korea $9/hr, Vietnam $118-171/mo, Thailand $10/day, India $2.46-12/day, Pakistan $1/mo, Turkey $441/mo, Brazil $284.10/mo, Mexico $5.42-9.34/hr, Poland $3.89/hr, Russia $154.34/mo, Egypt no minimum. As you can see, it is much cheaper for labor in many of the countries you listed. The low-skill, low-paying jobs are going to go to any number of countries other than ours. Quote:
A lot of our space and medical research was conducted by war criminals we pardoned because we had to get ahead of the Soviets. Political bullying? We use the threat of military force ALL THE TIME. We use economic sanctions ALL THE TIME. Quote:
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The United States, at various times in its existence, has participated in genocide, in forced human testing, in forced sterilization, in concentration camps, in human rights violations, in enormous pollution (by the way, we emit more CO2 per capita than they do), financial market manipulation, espionage, and colonialization. China's just doing it in the 21st century. Quote:
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We've been a service economy for years, and the funny thing is that it's not really helping anyone but the wealthy, the ultra-wealthy, and the gods. We put ourselves in this position, not China. |
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https://www.politico.com/2020-electi...on-the-issues/
Oh well fuck Weld then. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...ump/index.html Now back to The “Who to vote for” drawing board.
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10-01-2019, 02:24 PM | #408 | |
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Howabou a Moderate Democrat? Country has moved way to far left in thr past 25 years. I don't see anybody happy. I bet you have more triggered mentally disabled communists today then you did with Regan. What did we get with all this leftest swing? |
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10-01-2019, 02:27 PM | #409 | |
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10-01-2019, 02:42 PM | #410 |
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First "actual" Republican in 30 years.
If you look at where we are today, Bush Jr. was center left. He'd only "right" tendency was his belief in God and family which put him apposed to gay marriage and abortion. Everything else, he held very left stances on for a Republican. It's also amusing that Christian Values are "right" and Nazi Facist racist bigots... but Islamic Values are part of "inclusion and diversity" |
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^^ What does this child have to do with the sate of our politics? The country elected an individual who lacks empathy, sympathy, and lacks general education on how things work. (example tariffs) Farmers are getting financially subsidized, and the manufacturing industry has not come back near what he promised. I'm happy this child is allowed to fight for the environment, our generation basically fumbled the damn ball.
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10-01-2019, 06:33 PM | #412 |
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The country elected exactly what it needed, a true Republican who calls out liars n bullshitters. Dont take no crap from anyone...even the little assholes who twitter post shit. Sorry ur too soft to deal with it, but he grabs his balls, yells from the rooftops...fuk all the snowflakes!
Now thats the leader we need, want and i fuckn voted for and 2020 ill hill dam get my vote again! Tired of all these Democrats infringing on my rights. Make me give my $ away, fuckn socialist. Just like i tell the bum on the street coner..no i wont give u a dollar i worked for...you can fly a sign, u can get a job. |
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Regards, 2008-2019 Economic Recovery |
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10-01-2019, 08:34 PM | #416 | |
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10-01-2019, 09:05 PM | #417 | |
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I fail to see the link so would love to hear your viewpoint on how the two relates. EDIT: Corbic, I have been doing a little reading on the New Deal. I can see how one can make the leap to the economic recovery similarities just strictly on face value (liberals supported the new deal while conservatives opposed it, having to prop up the banking industry, etc), however the intricacies, causes and nuances are where both recovery efforts begin to diverge. I am curious to here your opinion Corbic. Last edited by RalliartRsX; 10-02-2019 at 06:29 AM.. |
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10-02-2019, 06:30 AM | #418 |
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EDIT: Corbic, I have been doing a little reading on the New Deal. I can see how one can make the leap to the economic recovery similarities just strictly on face value (liberals supported the new deal while conservatives opposed it, having to prop up the banking industry, etc), however the intricacies, causes and nuances are where both recovery efforts begin to diverge.
I am genuinely curious to here your opinion Corbic and how it relates to your response to the previous post about Obama's recovery and our current situation as imposed by trump and his admin. |
10-02-2019, 07:48 AM | #419 |
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Obama didn't recover shit.
He spent Katrillians propping up every liberal fantasy and cash grab, prolonging the resession and then walked off stage the world in worse shape then when he started. That's the comparison. A communist using economic crisis to force policy changes and federal money to buy support. Hell, Obama even used the IRS and News as a weapon against his political opponents exactly the same way FDR did... |
10-02-2019, 08:41 AM | #420 |
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.....Oh Ok then.
Not sure what any of that has to do with Obama's recovery considering the actual facts state without Obama admin's intervention, there would be no recovery. If anything bunk mortgage backed securities, the banking industry (and people living above their means, which isn't a left/right wing thing) and the GOP's fascination with war is what brought to the crash of 08. in addition, addressing your statement in regards to using the IRS and News Org against political opponents......considering again, none of it has anything to do with Obama's recovery.....or better yet, the New Deal from TDR. Federal money to buy support of what?? How is Obama a communist?? And why, with what I mentioned above, that forcing policy changes was a bad idea considering what led to the crash in 08?? I am utterly confused as you have soo much unrelated and false statements wrapped up in your three line response that has nothing to do with the recovery at hand from either TDR or Obama |
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