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03-04-2019, 09:13 AM | #722 | |
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What's a VVL swap going to run you? Conversion kit alone is $2k and you still need two engines. K-series is a better designed engine, plain and simple. It's nearly 20 years newer in design, huge aftermarket and huge production surplus of used parts. 5 seconds on eBay an A2 is $500 for a long block and $900 to $1200 complete. These are also engines as little as 5 years old with warranties compared to 25 year old SRs that have been beat to death. |
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03-04-2019, 10:20 AM | #724 |
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I love the k series, my neighbor has a built 4 piston 163 crate motor from them and that thing rips! Made like 320 whp N/A. The only reason I'm deciding to do VVL is because the Silvia I own already came with the SR.
In my opinion the k series is the best 4 cylinder motor ever made. Stupid reliable, tons of parts/aftermarket support, and great power. |
03-04-2019, 11:27 AM | #726 |
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What makes the engine so great? I've driven a K20 and it was fun, but it didn't wake up until 8k rpms. .4L really makes that much of a difference? It revs lower too..
Also, *In before ugly ass k-swapped mustang dragster post* |
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Some of the best heads in the industry VVT Forged Crank Strong Block Piston Oil Squiters Timing Chain Strong rods and pistons Huge aftermarket Cheap Longblocks You'll be making 450-600hp with an appropriate sized turbo at 10-12psi all day long. Unlike an SR you won't be needing head work and cams. No replacement for displacement. 400cc is an 18% increase in displacement. Guys spend $5k to build 2.2l SR strokers. A K24 is just 100cc less then a RB25 in displacement while being almost 200lbs lighter. For the money of a 2.2 SR stroker, you could have a 2.7L K-series. |
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Ok, the engine has potential. A KA24 also has potential with the right mods. How much is it to swap that in a 240 if you are not a skilled fabricator? Can you run A/C? Will all the gauges work? I don't think SR's are worth building, but a KA-T with an EFR 7163, E85 and a z32 trans could put down 450-600hp and it's all bolt-on. Last edited by spooled240; 03-04-2019 at 03:38 PM.. |
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03-04-2019, 03:13 PM | #734 | |
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a well put together internally stock K20 with boost can be very reliable don't need to get crazy (or even build it). However when people lack common sense and pay attention to details they blame the engine for failing rather than looking at what went wrong and why. (or are too uneducated / experienced to figure out what happened and why). so blame the engine. (i did it in my young days too not going to lie) then they'll spend money to install a JZ or LS swap because they are damn near impossible to break in stock or bolt on form from the factory and claim it as a "build". Hondas are now doing that with the J series swaps, those engines are damn near bulletproof from factory. I tuned an NSX with a J32A a few weeks ago. internally untouched engine, just a turbo kit and E85. maxed out ID1050's at 19 psi and engine was still asking for more. that's 600+ WHP out of a junkyard engine from an accord. |
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03-04-2019, 03:35 PM | #735 | |
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if you're starting off with that then no biggie ( i almost did a 2JZ into my Z32 at one point, until i had it in there and saw no real solution to cooling issues without major chassis re-engineering) it's the people that blow up small engines and blame the engine for the failure rather than what went wrong.
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Street driving / Highway runs / Drag Racing is no problem. it's road racing that's an issue with them. |
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03-04-2019, 06:47 PM | #739 | |
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03-04-2019, 11:15 PM | #741 | |
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2JZ Crank pulley quite literally sits 1" away from the lower radiator support. and no room to run the same radiator we are using on S13/S14's due to a big height differential. I can fit a clutch fan on a JZ S14/S13 and have adequate airflow. the nose construction of the Z32 would require re-engineering the entire front end for a V-mount style setup or rear mounted radiator with ducting to have adequate airflow through the radiator. Neither which i was down to do. My SR20 had an RB26 clutch fan with shrouding without cutting a single piece of the chassis up, everything i modified was reversible with bolt in parts. which was my main goal, i didn't want to hack up my car. also, to add to your argument. While yes it takes the same amount of airflow to make X amount of HP. Iron block holds more heat, and a 6 cylinder block has more mass which means it'll absorb even more heat. so now you'd have the same heat exchanger trying to cool off a bigger mass of heat. you'll eventually overwork the efficiency of that cooler with the cooling demand of the heat source. Cooling off a big 6 cylinder iron block is not the same as cooling off a small 4 cylinder aluminum block or maybe I'm dumb idk. |
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03-05-2019, 05:57 AM | #742 |
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Y'all gotta learn to ignore Corbic. His stockpile of any-generation-of-Mustang pictures is a clear indication of that. He also types foreign languages like he's a second citizen of our brothers in the world-superpowers-club. Let him tucker himself out and the beast will slumber and leave Zilvia in peace.
LSs aren't lame. SRs aren't lame. K20s aren't lame. It's this shitty polarization to whatever the fuck you're into that's lame. I always harp on keeping the cars as original as possible. If you car is 100% gorgeous on the outside and original, but has an LS, who really cares? The car appears to be styled with an eye for (my preferred) genre of styling, so who gives a fuck what's powering it, yeah? LS motors get a bad rep because we always imagine the 'rule' and not the 'exception'. In my opinion (in case anyone out there is still gunning to mount my e-cranium on their mantle) everything begs a closer look. Some guys want a reliable, fun-to-drive, CA-legal motor. I get it. Go for it. It's the 4x4, shopping-cart-angle cars with LS swaps that we all hate. As a community, we need to focus on what's 'real' and support it. If someone's choice in motor is going to polarize you when everything else they do is cool, you need to think about your values. The only thing we should be rebuking at this point is clout-chasing, platform-exploiting fucks who give no shits about this chassis beyond what it can do for them in terms of dollars or social media traffic. Identify pandering, and shut it down. We'll all be better off.
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Agreed. Instead of harping on each other for what engine is in our cars why not just appreciate that we are all here for the same reason. We all find interest in the same platform and at the end of the day who cares what engine it has in it?
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looks like it fits pretty good to me? i already know you stated you dont want to hack up your car, but i think this could be solved by a tube front (just based off this picture). seems sort of odd for someone who has a shop, who should have access to simple tools like a welder and bender, doesnt want a tube front on a swap that mixes mfgs. shit like this happens when you put a toyota in a nissan and so forth. adapt. improvise. overcome. #meme edit: heres another with a visible rad: http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_...iginal.jpg?v=0 |
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This is the old man grumpy thread and I am 35 and grumpy. Having been playing with cars for 20 years I'm just "over it" with so many trends and fads. You eventually begin to see past the hype and realize it's just vapor. As for spelling and grammar, believe it or not, I'm well spoken and an excellent business writer. I just post from my phone and don't ever proof read. It's a forum and no one takes me serious to begin with. |
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