Subaru BRZ = 240sx Successor

[z2roll4life7]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

lol not shit just laughter. Totally different cars in totally different categories. Though the most humorous thing about this ?1991-92 Acura Integra vs 240SX same exact reasoning was used by people.
Now the Integra did not have as much torque but it had 170Hp vs the 240's 155.

Given by what you stated above I don't think you fit the demographic that the BRZ, FRS is aimed at, so do not worry. LOL

Now jokes aside I have driven a rental Focus on trips . Decent car, absolutely terrible rear visibility. Very low amount of trunk space unless you fold the seats down.
Almost there not quite though. I would not buy it, even if I was in your category.

Yeah I know they are totally different cars but i'm looking for the best bang for buck that can be used to transport the family. This was one car that popped in my research I never thought about owing a ford but I don't know about that now. I think the ST may surprise us all at least i'm hoping it will.

Originally Posted by SimpleS14

No hate from me. You have priorities and that car seems like a good fit. While I was over in Europe, I was always wondering why Ford didn't bring this car (and the Mondeo) over to the states sooner.

Thank you sir and the UK gets way better version of car's we deserve some of their offerings don't you think?

Originally Posted by simmode1

Hmmm... Interesting. I usually give no fucks about FWD cars, but if its better than the Mazdaspeed 3, thats worth taking a look...

Yup and IMO it looks better than the MS3.

[VROOOM]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

lol not shit just laughter. Totally different cars in totally different categories. Though the most humorous thing about this ?1991-92 Acura Integra vs 240SX same exact reasoning was used by people.
Now the Integra did not have as much torque but it had 170Hp vs the 240's 155.

Given by what you stated above I don't think you fit the demographic that the BRZ, FRS is aimed at, so do not worry. LOL

Now jokes aside I have driven a rental Focus on trips . Decent car, absolutely terrible rear visibility. Very low amount of trunk space unless you fold the seats down.
Almost there not quite though. I would not buy it, even if I was in your category.

the 91-92 integra had 140hp the 92-93 GSR had 160hp(pretty rare). they didnt get 170hp till the 3rd gen in 1994

Yup and IMO it looks better than the MS3.

i would say better than the current gen MS3 but not the 1st gen ones.

[tx240ss]

as for pricing...stopped in at a Houston dealer today to look at the frs... HOLY STICKER SHOCK, BATMAN!!! The showroom model was $33800.. fully loaded with go fast items like Navigation and fake carbon fiber.. a $400 rear spoiler was added for effect and $1800 for some shitty wheels and tires... I don't freakin think so.... who wants all this flash and no go... a stock wrx or mustang v6 will kick it's butt... even the genesis coupe has 74 more hp for less money... if they don't get the price down, only trust fund babies will be buying these....

[MWH_Photo]

Originally Posted by tx240ss

as for pricing...stopped in at a Houston dealer today to look at the frs... HOLY STICKER SHOCK, BATMAN!!! The showroom model was $33800.. fully loaded with go fast items like Navigation and fake carbon fiber.. a $400 rear spoiler was added for effect and $1800 for some shitty wheels and tires... I don't freakin think so.... who wants all this flash and no go... a stock wrx or mustang v6 will kick it's butt... even the genesis coupe has 74 more hp for less money... if they don't get the price down, only trust fund babies will be buying these....

Most people aren't buying them from dealers who put all that useless bullshit on it.

There's a Civic SI (non-HFP, non-navi) a local Honda dealer marked at 33K because they put low-jack on, tinted the windows, added disgusting wheels, and 7K worth of "Dealer markup." It's been there well over 5 months..

Just because it's marked that high doesn't mean people actually buy it. I was looking at a red 6-speed FRS at a local dealer and could have walked out of there paying $24k before TT&L with the recent grad rebate. That's not a bad price for what it is.

[raz0rbladez909]

Originally Posted by MWH_Photo

Most people aren't buying them from dealers who put all that useless bullshit on it.

There's a Civic SI (non-HFP, non-navi) a local Honda dealer marked at 33K because they put low-jack on, tinted the windows, added disgusting wheels, and 7K worth of "Dealer markup." It's been there well over 5 months..

Just because it's marked that high doesn't mean people actually buy it. I was looking at a red 6-speed FRS at a local dealer and could have walked out of there paying $24k before TT&L with the recent grad rebate. That's not a bad price for what it is.

EXACTLY. If people are dumb enough to pay a $5k markup for nothing I seriously don't feel sorry for them at all.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by VROOOM

the 91-92 integra had 140hp the 92-93 GSR had 160hp(pretty rare). they didnt get 170hp till the 3rd gen in 1994

OK my bad for getting the numbers off. I am really not a Honda person to begin with, Thank GOD!!!!!

With all that said I still find the comparison to be strangely ironic don't you?

[1 88 U]

can we end this debate?

[!Zar!]

Sweet pic of a prius and a s15.

[ditchs14]

cant wait to see the finished parts that PBM is working on with this car

[silverarrow27]

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

can wen end this debate?

I'd still buy the s15 over the FRS. S15 just looks wayyyyy sexier.

[olah.inc]

Alfa Romeo 4c bro...

[SimpleS14]

Originally Posted by z2roll4life7

Thank you sir and the UK gets way better version of car's we deserve some of their offerings don't you think?

Definitely, but that market (and the rest of Europe) is far more receptive to diesels and smaller cars. IMO, I think it's because they are almost force to with smaller roads and insanely high fuel prices.

[K_style]

Originally Posted by olah.inc

Alfa Romeo 4c bro...

Hey Bro that's complete off topic..

[rednissan180]

I hated this car at first... but it's slowly starting to grow on me

[simmode1]

This car ain't gonna grow on me until the STI version comes out with more power and 5x114.3 lug patterns. But at that point, MSRP will be about $30k BEFORE dealer markup probably. No thanks. Should have just done that to start off with.

[Yellow4g63]

Accelerated Performance FRS / BRZ turbo package runs a world record 1/4 mile time of 11.3 @ 127.4 MPH. The engine / transmission is stock other than the bolt on FRS / BRZ 400 package. Check out our website @ Accelerated Performance or give us a call @ 1-419-474-7170 for more info on the FRS / BRZ 300 or 400 turbo packages we have available.

[DreamN]

^ Awesomeness!

[raz0rbladez909]

Originally Posted by yellow4g63

accelerated performance frs / brz turbo package runs a world record 1/4 mile time of 11.3 @ 127.4 mph. The engine / transmission is stock other than the bolt on frs / brz 400 package. Check out our website @ accelerated performance or give us a call @ 1-419-474-7170 for more info on the frs / brz 300 or 400 turbo packages we have available.

yesssssssssssssssss

in for remarks about that being how it should've came stock and that it's so slow and garbage without turbo.

[simmode1]

Mod list at end of vid. Really interesting. Both cars very different, yet still close in performance around the track.

[exitspeed]

Was that a bone stock BRZ and a bone stock S2000?

[simmode1]

Pretty close to stock...

S2000:
Unknown exhaust
Unknown coilovers.
OEM Hardtop
255 width ADVAN Neova AD08 tires.

BRZ:
Berk exhaust
custom alignment
215 width Star Specs.

The S2000 was an AP2, but they also run 255 width tires stock on the CR model. Normal AP2's run 245 rears in stock form. But the BRZ's potency is very clear to see here, as much as I hate to admit it.

[LoneStarSilvia]

Been saying it for a minute, the first person to get rid of those Prius tires and put some serious rubber and suspension under it is going to have a serious car.

[simmode1]

^^^Yeah, I posted this vid a few pages back but the BRZ/FRS really does shine quite a bit more with some better rubber. With just the addition of some wide Star Specs on 17's, the car just may possibly beat a stock 2013 GC 2.0T around the right track or at least match it.


Now I want to see a comparison between a BRZ/FRS versus a 350Z on a roadcourse.

[raz0rbladez909]

Took this from the FT86 Forums and thought it was pretty interesting.
"An otherwise stock FR-S on performance summer tires will put up some pretty phenomenal handling numbers. Thought this might be useful to see (skidpad / slalom / 60-0):

[1.00-1.04 g]
1.04 g / 71.3 mph / 102 ft -- 911 Carrera S (Pirelli P Zero P-spec)
1.03 g / 71.6 mph / 109 ft -- Elise (Yoko A048 LTS)
1.00 g / 70.3 mph / 107 ft -- FR-S (Yoko AD08)

[0.95-0.99 g]
0.99 g / 72.3 mph / 102 ft -- Boxster Spyder (Bridgestone RE050a P-spec)
0.99 g / 70.7 mph / 112 ft -- Evo X GSR (Yoko A048)
0.98 g / 71.0 mph / 103 ft -- R8 (Pirelli P Zero A-spec)
0.98 g / 69.7 mph / 103 ft -- Corvette (Eagle F1 Supercar)
0.98 g / 69.1 mph / 109 ft -- Shelby GT500 (Eagle F1 Supercar G:2)
0.97 g / 71.3 mph / 105 ft -- Cayman R (Bridgestone RE050a P-Spec)
0.96 g / 74.0 mph / 98 ft -- GT-R (Bridgestone RE070R)
0.95 g / 73.3 mph / 100 ft -- E90 M3 Coupe (Michelin PS2)

[0.90-0.94 g]
0.93 g / 70.4 mph / 105 ft -- 370z (Bridgestone RE050a)
0.91 g / 71.1 mph / 119 ft -- MS3 (Dunlop SP Sport 2050)
0.91 g / ???? mph / 109 ft -- E46 M3 Coupe (Yoko AD07)
0.91 g / 70.4 mph / 115 ft -- Nismo 370z (Yoko Advan Sport)
0.90 g / 70.2 mph / 112 ft -- STI (Dunlop SP Sport 600)
0.90 g / 69.7 mph / 108 ft -- 135i (Bridgestone RE050a)

[0.85-0.89 g]
0.89 g / 69.6 mph / 112 ft -- GC 2.0t R-Spec (Bridgestone RE050a)
0.88 g / 69.3 mph / 131 ft -- NSX (Bridgestone RE730)
0.88 g / 68.5 mph / 114 ft -- GC 3.8 Track (Bridgestone RE050a)
0.87 g / 67.1 mph / 121 ft -- Civic Si (Michelin PE2)
0.87 g / 66.1 mph / 112 ft -- Mustang V6 PP (Pirelli P Zero)
0.86 g / 64.9 mph / 110 ft -- NC Miata (Bridgestone RE050a)

1) Only compares cars with performance summer tires (no R compounds or all-seasons).
2) Only uses numbers from Edmunds track tests to keep methodology and venue the same.
3) FR-S and competitors bolded.

Anyway you look at that, the FR-S on performance summer tires is clearly a class or two above its peers. Its competition really is more expensive sports cars and some exotics when it comes to handling (on street summer tires). "

[LoneStarSilvia]

Such a wide variety of tires though, and AD08's are god's gift to Earth. Good comparisons still.

[ditchs14]

damn them guys are driving the shit out of them cars. super skills

[xBandiTx]

Read in this months issue of Super Street Nissan is actually supposed to be building a new silvia to rival the BR-Z/ FR-S

=]

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by xBandiTx

Read in this months issue of Super Street Nissan is actually supposed to be building a new silvia to rival the BR-Z/ FR-S

=]

Yeah... a lighter, 4 cylinder turbo Z. I can only hope a 2+2 is offered.
Next Nissan Z will be smaller, lighter

[LoneStarSilvia]

Again.


Believe it when I see it.

[simmode1]

^^^Ditto. Damn all these years upon years of rumors. #jaded