S14 Suspension>>>DAILY ONLY

[JoeC1982]

Looking for a good ride with decent handling and longevity. So far i'm looking at the Nismo S Tune kit($660ish), Tokico HPK331 kit($470), or KYB AGX struts and shocks with Swift sport springs ($510).

Yes i searched, couldn't come up with anything foy my criteria. A lot of people say the tokicos are crap but i assume they will last longer with the springs they are designed to work with. Thanks in advance for any help.

[98s14inaz]

Originally Posted by JoeC1982

Looking for a good ride with decent handling and longevity. So far i'm looking at the Nismo S Tune kit($660ish), Tokico HPK331 kit($470), or KYB AGX struts and shocks with Swift sport springs ($510).

Yes i searched, couldn't come up with anything foy my criteria. A lot of people say the tokicos are crap but i assume they will last longer with the springs they are designed to work with. Thanks in advance for any help.

iirc Nismo's stuff is just rebadged from another company whose name escapes me at the moment. I would highly recommend an adjustable shock/spring combo like the KYB's and whatever springs you like. Just don't waste your money on the overpriced Nismo garbage. Urethane suspension bushings make quite a difference too...at least do the front tc rods.

[bigOdom1]

nismo is not garbage . i suggest you replace everysingle bushing instead of coilovers.


edit: btw get nismo bushings

[98s14inaz]

Originally Posted by bigodom1

nismo is not garbage . i suggest you replace everysingle bushing instead of coilovers.

I apologize. Garbage is a harsh word. Nismo is an overpriced and re-badged product from another company whose name escapes me at the moment.

[bigOdom1]

the coilovers may be i dont know.

but the reality of things is that for the most part people install parts and dont truly tune them in properly. all these people that have fully adjustable suspension... ask how many have been corner weighted on scales and the adjusted more to the liking

[SHIFT_*grind*]

I like my AGXs. I'm on Eibach Sportlines and have no complaints about the ride. But, if you can get your hands on KG/MM springs (yes, that's the name), people say a lot of good things about them. Ride might be a *little* stiffer than some other springs, but they're definitely high quality and make for a good upgrade in the handling department.

And ditto on the bushings.

[JoeC1982]

I'm definitely doing the tension rod bushings too, the others will be done later. I work in the parts dept at a nissan dealership so i get good prices on the Nismo stuff. Adjustability isn't a huge concern for me, i just want something i can put on and drive.

[Dutchmalmiss]

KYBs + eibachs. Also, replace ALL your bushings. trust me, you won't regret it.

[JoeC1982]

Originally Posted by Dutchmalmiss

KYBs + eibachs. Also, replace ALL your bushings. trust me, you won't regret it.

I would go Nismo on the bushings but they are pretty expensive, is there any other alternative besides squeaky polyurethane bushings?

[statik]

Originally Posted by Dutchmalmiss

KYBs + eibachs. Also, replace ALL your bushings. trust me, you won't regret it.

Why is everyone suggesting "replace all your bushings" for a daily driver? Replace them with what? poly bushings? solid arms? or new arms with stock rubber?

With the exception of buying brand new stock arms with new rubber bushings, they will all be harsher ride, so whats the point? The only thing I would replace bushing wise for sure is the stock TC rods as those bushings are almost always shot on any 240, and the rubber bushings that go inside the shock towers on top of the shocks (hats?) if you replace the shocks.

[JoeC1982]

Thanks statik, i will just do the tension rod bushings(1 is shot) and the upper strut mounts when i do the suspension. i've had the poly bushings before and wasn't happy with the noise.

[aznpoopy]

get the nismo r-tune coilovers

they are excellent for street and track and worth every overinflated penny nismo charges for them

most comfortable coilovers i have ever rode on, period.

[statik]

Originally Posted by JoeC1982

Thanks statik, i will just do the tension rod bushings(1 is shot) and the upper strut mounts when i do the suspension. i've had the poly bushings before and wasn't happy with the noise.

i have full es poly bushings in the rear, and they don't make a peep so far, i also greased them up pretty good though, but again, stupid for a daily driver

[silnismo]

AGX + S-TECHS and tanabe F AND R sway bars is a good combo for DD and decent for occasion AUTOX.

as far as lasting longer, AGX have lifetime warranty as long as you got 1.5 or less for you lowering springs.

[JoeC1982]

Thanks for the help guys, i'm going to get the Nismo S tune kit and tension rod bushings as a xmas gift to myself. i think i'm going to return my Weds to tirerack and get something a little less pricey to offset the price difference in the suspension.

[silnismo]

in my opinion i think AGX > S-TUNE

s-tunes are not adjustable, where as AGX allows you to somewhat dial it in.

[S14DB]

Tokico HPK331 kit and ST swaybars. Amazed what a difference Sway bars make on these cars.

[SHIFT_*grind*]

Originally Posted by statik

Why is everyone suggesting "replace all your bushings" for a daily driver?...With the exception of buying brand new stock arms with new rubber bushings, they will all be harsher ride, so whats the point?

Originally Posted by statik

i have full es poly bushings in the rear...stupid for a daily driver

I wouldn't have thought this; all I've ever heard is what an improvement urethane bushings make on driving feel. I figured this would be worthwhile even for daily driving, but I guess not.

Which is good to know, I can probably take it off my list of upgrades to look for. More money for other stuff

[98s14inaz]

Originally Posted by JoeC1982

I would go Nismo on the bushings but they are pretty expensive, is there any other alternative besides squeaky polyurethane bushings?

Buy the black energy busings because they have graphite embedded in the urethane compound. Use a ton of lube. They do not squeak if done correctly.

[xamraci]

springs shocks...

the Tanabe GF spring and some AGXs...for all my friends who dont have coilovers...that has been a great combo...or even tokico blues
GF springs are 170ish and the AGXs are about 450-500 depending on what palce you find them...

I just orderd a prothane bushing kit for my car 110 shipped, I will see how that works out when it arrives next week

[statik]

Originally Posted by RB200SX

I wouldn't have thought this; all I've ever heard is what an improvement urethane bushings make on driving feel. I figured this would be worthwhile even for daily driving, but I guess not.

Which is good to know, I can probably take it off my list of upgrades to look for. More money for other stuff

An improvement to handling yes, to ride quality? Not so much. It's just going to equate to a harsher ride, which is not what most consider daily driver friendly, it's not terrible by any means, but why bother with such a ridiculous job of taking out all of your control arms and replacing the bushings (that are probably not even that bade of shape), for a car you drive a->b?

Honestly in the end it comes down to what you're looking for in a DAILY DRIVER and how much time/money you want to spend on it. Personally I could daily a stock s14 with no complaints.

[pbcstylez]

PM'd you with a DD setup

[98s14inaz]

Originally Posted by statik

An improvement to handling yes, to ride quality? Not so much. It's just going to equate to a harsher ride, which is not what most consider daily driver friendly, it's not terrible by any means, but why bother with such a ridiculous job of taking out all of your control arms and replacing the bushings (that are probably not even that bade of shape), for a car you drive a->b?

Honestly in the end it comes down to what you're looking for in a DAILY DRIVER and how much time/money you want to spend on it. Personally I could daily a stock s14 with no complaints.

These cars are 10+ years old. All the rubber bushings should be replaced either with new rubber or urethane. I chose urethane because of the durability and stiffness. With the exception of my stock springs and blown shocks (getting replaced with coilovers as soon as apexi sends them back) my car feels solid. Most of us use our cars to daily drive and weekend events. The urethane rides nicer than the heim joints.

[JoeC1982]

Lots of good options, i'm actually considering the function/form coilovers as well so i can have some camber adjustment.

[JoeC1982]

After more research and pricing the Nismo kit comes with new upper mounts front and rear which would be about $100 extra on the other setups so the pricing is similar. Does anybody know if the struts are off the shelf or if nissan actually has any input on them?

[kandyflip445]

Originally Posted by statik

i have full es poly bushings in the rear, and they don't make a peep so far, i also greased them up pretty good though, but again, stupid for a daily driver

I also have the ES bushing kit for the rear and they improved my ride. I guess it could just be the difference in how old the bushings they replaced were. But my car definately rode better with the new poly bushings.

And I also have Heim joints on the tension rods and RUCAS.

[chituntang]

I would do the bushings too. But I am lazy so I ordered those "racing arms." I guess they would be stiffer but I believe I can take a little more from what I have now: AGX with RSR springs (do not know which one). They were used for 350 and since the stock units were bad (whenever driving over anything, it feels like I hit a wall) and I am poor, I got them. When I adjust the shock (3 to 2 front, 6 to 4 rear), I feel so much better. The car was stiff to a point where it jumps (at least it feels that way).

[s13pignose]

Espelir springs and AGX struts...hit up ebay for both

[JoeC1982]

already got Stance GR Sports, thanks for the input though.